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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

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And then the squad mates start talking about mudcrabs.


Well, I just meant that maybe instead of being in the battery all the time maybe sometimes Garrus is sitting in the mess or something.  Stuff like that.  Again, I have no idea how they could execute that.  Movement might no be too bad so long as it was isolated to a specific deck or within a specific area.

Yea, I was joking about it. Just found it funny how much the NPCs in Oblivion talk about mudcrabs. Disgusting creatures.

I agree that it's tough to know how they should do it. Especially since certain scenes have to take place in certain places. Garrus closes the door in the main battery for example in the romance.

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Yea, moving them around does screw with how cinematic the conversations are. But just little stuff like the Miranda romance scene starting in the CIC and how Tali and Shep walk over near the engine core for a few of their conversations can make a huge difference. More stuff like that would be nice. And we do see some squaddie interaction. It just tends to involve lots of fights. I'd like to see something besides fights I have to break up.

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Well, here's a question. If they did implement that thing from KotoR 2 where you see cutscenes of squaddie conversations what scenes would you guys like to see Garrus in? I personally vote something involving Tal. A scene where we see what he may have asked Mordin about "research" would have been really funny in ME2.

Yea, Tali. Besides that Mordin would be great.

After that I'd like to see Garrus interact with Jack because they are such opposites.

On the subject of banter, I think a combination of KOTOR, KOTOR II, Mass Effect, and DA:O would be amazing.

KOTOR: Banter in which the player can participate in. The banter also progresses so it's not like every conversation is on an island. It draws from previous conversations.
KOTOR II: Banter which occurs when you enter the Normandy.
Mass Effect: Banter which occurs when you reach certain points of interest.
DA:O: Multiple banter conversations. Conversations that reference and are based around the player's relationships with party members (such as romance).

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Garrus: Hey Tali, you want some coo-hwhip with that sammich?
Tali: Ah sure Garru--Wait, what did you say?
Garrus: I asked if you wanted some coo-hwhip. You know? Coo-hwhip?
Tali: <_< I have a shotgun.
Garrus: Perhaps later then.

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Tali: <_< I have a shotgun.
Garrus: Perhaps later then.

That is not funny.

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Srscat has no time for humor.

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I love the exploded Hammerhead pic! I also love how Garrus is the only one that hasn’t got burned to a crisp. Because he eats explosions for breakfast. I do agree that the first time the Hammerhead blew up on me, I was like Posted Image To quote Garrus "That's a bit...extreme, Commander."

I have gotten better at driving it since then though. And the Mako too. My ThaneShep was a pro compared to my KaidanShep Posted Image
 
Dancing turian seems to have a blue tat. There’s a stripe on his chin and another one on his cheeks, as well as something on his forehead. So no, I don’t think it’s quite the same as the Groundskeeper.
 
As for the sheep pic, the lower right person is Zaeed, I think. He uses a sniper rifle, and he has the same weird shoulder guard that looks like corrugated iron.
 
Lmao, TechnoTurian! Isn’t he doing the same dance as the badShepdance on Samara’s RM?
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Concerning the ME2 males Garrus would be friends with if playing a FemShep:
 
Jacob: Noooo. He’s Cerberus, so I think Garrus probably wouldn’t trust him on principle. As for how Jacob feels about Garrus, one word sums it all up: cuttlebone.
 
Mordin: As has been said already, they’d probably get along fine…until Garrus asked him for uh…advice. Then he’d probably get all awkward around him. Much to Mordin’s hilarity. On more serious topics, Mordin’s qualms about the genophage could also make Garrus think about it.
 
Grunt: I’d say the Wrex – Garrus configuration could be reversed in this case. Garrus would probably think that Grunt is the young, impulsive one and not really take him seriously. Especially with all the “I hate turians” shebang. I know Grunt says he doesn’t hate Garrus, but still, it would be a little offputting.
 
Thane: Well, he obviously admires his skills. He probably would have issues with his philosophy though, but I guess the fact that Thane is trying to redeem himself would earn him some good points. I think he’s got the best potential out of the ME2 males.
 
Zaeed: Big resounding “no”. Especially after his LM. No-collateral-damage-ME2 Garrus would really have a problem with it.
 
If we’re going for NPCs, Joker would work. But only in ME2. He probably didn’t like ME1 Garrus very much (“pole up his ass”). But yeah, I can see Donnelly working too. Garrus would probably have some concerns about him being Cerberus at first, but he's really not so much pro-Cerberus as against whitewashing Shep, so I think they'd end up getting along just fine.
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I mean a lot of times those guys were talking about the Warden and the Warden acts like they can't hear. I always thought the Warden couldn't hear and it was a just a player treat.

 
Well, in some of those, one of the squaddies will call the other out on the fact that the Warden is standing right there, possibly within earshot. Eg. the one between Alistair and Zevran which starts with Alistair going “What are your intentions with her?” and Zev answers “You’re talking about her as if she wasn’t here. She’s standing right there.” I’m pretty sure the Warden is within earshot for that kind of thing. It’s just that the fact of not having a voiced character kinda limits the possibilities of reaction. Either that, or we’re simply not shown the reaction. Or the Warden chooses to pretend she/he didn’t hear, so she/he can eavesdrop better Posted Image
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But now I'm just reminded of my insanity playthrough, and I kind of want to go cry. Not looking forward to Horizon. Or the Collector Ship. Or anything, really.

 
Protip for Horizon: you can avoid the Husk rush at the transmitter tower altogether. It works best if you have a sniper rifle (ie. Soldier or Infiltrator), but you can also halve the amount of Husks with any other job. When the door into the transmitter area opens, don’t go through. Instead, move to the right side, and aim either with your snipy or the Collector Particle Beam. You’ll be able to see part of one Scion sticking out from behind the transmitter area. Aim for that and gun it down. Then move to the left side of the door and do the same thing. It’s a little trickier, as you’ll only see the gun-like-arm thingy of the other Scion sticking out, so it’s a little harder to aim, but it’s still doable. If you take both Scions out, you won’t have any Husks to deal with. If you just take one out, you’ll have half.

The Collector Ship does suck though. As does the Derelict Reaper. Only advice I can give is bring Grunt and either Jack (for Shockwave) or anybody else who either has Incinerate, Incendiary Ammo or Concussive Shot. The latter one-shots Husks once you've got their armour off. Also, as someone suggested some time ago, bring the Cain on the Derelict Reaper so you can nuke the core at the end and avoid most (if not all) of the husks.
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After that I'd like to see Garrus interact with Jack because they are such opposites.

 
I don’t think Garrus would ever willingly try to go talk to Jack. And vice-versa.
 
However, I agree that scenes that show interaction with other squaddies would be great. Mordin’s advice would be priceless.

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On Insanity I just gave up on the Collector Ship. Way too hard.

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I thought playing it on insanity sucked at first, but now I have to keep it on hardcore/insanity just to have some what of a challenge.

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I'm actually really curious about how Garrus feels about Jack, but they have so little in-game interaction it is hard to tell. I don't see anything that makes me think he overtly hates her. In some ways, I think he would dislike Zaeed more. It seems to me that Garrus has a particular hatred of people who abuse their power and position, people that he feels should know better. Saren, mercs taking advantage of people who can't fight, Harkin abusing his C-Sec knowledge. Granted I think he hates crime across the board. I just think he has a particular hatred of that sort of person. And in the few moments he does have opportunity to confront Jack, he mostly seems appalled by what happened to her as during her loyalty mission. I don't think he'd "like" her or be friends with her or approve of what she's done. But I also don't think he would dismiss her and denounce her as readily as he does Harkin or Saren either.

I have yet to play Insanity.  Some games I play for the challenge.  Others I play for the story.  So stuff like Uncharted I go for the insane playthroughs, but with Mass Effect  I tend to just put around on normal even though it has gotten a little easy for me.

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Well he does talk to Jack on Illium.

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Collider wrote...

Well he does talk to Jack on Illium.


Yes and she's even talking about robbing people there.  And he doesn't really rise to challenge her other than to point out people there aren't easy marks.  

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When does he do that?



(Sadly, on higher difficulties, Garrus thinks hes Rambo and gets himself killed constantly)

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When does he do that?

(Sadly, on higher difficulties, Garrus thinks hes Rambo and gets himself killed constantly)


When you select the "talk to Jack" thing near Giana Parasini's table she talks and Garrus chimes in.

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Hmm, I know Samara does that. Didn't hear Garrus do it.

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This Is Delicious wrote...

When does he do that?

(Sadly, on higher difficulties, Garrus thinks hes Rambo and gets himself killed constantly)


If you bring both Jack and Garrus to Illium and pick the "talk to Jack" spot (it's near one of the big blue screens), she'll comment about how the people on Illium are easy targets, and Garrus will say that they simply flaunt things they don't need.

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But yeah, it's true that he's not antagonizing her there. Possibly because he knows that she's not going to act on it. Or because his prevalent feeling for her is pity.

I'm not saying he wouldn't willingly talk to her because he hates her though. I just think that there's nothing they could say to each other: they've both been through emotionally scarring experiences, and she's obviously reacting in a completely different way from him, so I don't think he'd have anything constructive to bring to the table. Considering how hard it is even for Shep to make her come out of her shell (ie. impossible if you don't have boy bits), I don't think Garrus would have a lot of success, seeing that he's not, ah...the most diplomatic person in the world.

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One of the things I noticed about Garrus, is that he's mostly snarky with people he feels comfortable with, I think. With other people he's more professional (of course, besides villains like Harkin, etc). It's really interesting.

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But yeah, it's true that he's not antagonizing her there. Possibly because he knows that she's not going to act on it. Or because his prevalent feeling for her is pity.

 


I felt like he unintentionally gave her a heads up to not attack them and look for weaker prey. Oops

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Oh, I don't really think he'd talk to her either.  Garrus doesn't really go out of his way to talk to much of anybody.  Even Shepard has to go poke him to get him to talk.  I just mean, I don't think he would hate her or anything.  The only way I think something might happen is if he inadvertently said something Jack took the wrong way, but given his distrust of Cerberus I have no idea what that might be.  The one thing that really sets Jack off is Cerberus.  She may get pissy and not talk over other stuff (breaking promises, douchebag renegade Shep advances) but the only time she starts attacking and flailing the air with her fists is over Cerberus.

Another thing I think is interesting.  When Kelly updates you on the loyalty missions, she mostly says "so-and-so requests to speak to you."  But with Grunt and Garrus (some others too maybe, can't remember) she simply mentions their mental state.  "Garrus received some news that put fire in his eyes.  You might want to speak with him."  And "Grunt is pacing around in the cargo hold."  It doesn't sound like they asked for help.  Granted as soon as Shep comes in, Garrus proceeds to ask her for help so maybe he was just waiting as he knew she would come by.  Grunt is just too proud to ask for help.  Anyway, the thing with Kelly is kinda interesting because I think it demonstrates either Garrus doesn't want to burden anybody or he is comfortable with Shep to the extent that he doesn't bother going through official channels.  Or it could be both.

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Thank you muchly. =D I'd have ended up storming the place and getting my butt handed to me. Multiple times probably. Playing as a vanguard is fun, though. Reave is my new best friennnnnnnd.





And, I personally don't take Garrus and Jack out at the same time. I feel like she would make him extremely uncomfortable. Not to mention she's not the best representation (mentally/emotionally) of a female human, and I don't want Garrus thinking they're all like that... Which is silly, of course, but that's how I see it. That, and I'm already the bat**** crazy biotic that keeps getting herself killed. Garrus doesn't need two of those. ^^;



Other than that, though, I don't see them butting heads, per say. I can see Garrus sneaking in a snarky comment at some point, getting his head bitten off, and never doing so again. I like the way Collider put it: with people he knows and is comfortable with, snarky comments galore. Everyone else gets professional Garrus.

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Another thing I think is interesting.  When Kelly updates you on the loyalty missions, she mostly says "so-and-so requests to speak to you."  But with Grunt and Garrus (some others too maybe, can't remember) she simply mentions their mental state.  "Garrus received some news that put fire in his eyes.  You might want to speak with him."  And "Grunt is pacing around in the cargo hold."  It doesn't sound like they asked for help.  Granted as soon as Shep comes in, Garrus proceeds to ask her for help so maybe he was just waiting as he knew she would come by.  Grunt is just too proud to ask for help.  Anyway, the thing with Kelly is kinda interesting because I think it demonstrates either Garrus doesn't want to burden anybody or he is comfortable with Shep to the extent that he doesn't bother going through official channels.  Or it could be both.


Yeah, I noticed that too. I think Garrus would've eventually come and talked to Shep himself, if Kelly hadn't noticed his reaction to the Sidonis news: I don't think he would've wanted to broadcast his concerns all over Cerberus channels. As for Grunt, I think he's probably just scared and still trying to figure out whether he can do something about his problem on his own. He probably also doesn't think that Shep would be able to help him (given that she/he's not a doctor or a scientist). There's also the fact that he says that krogan wouldn't have been forthcoming with medical info about their race, so any proper info wouldn't get off Tuchanka.

I don't remember whether any of the other LM requests are different. I'd expect Tali not to want to go through Cerberus either, so I'll keep a lookout for what Kelly says about her when her LM rolls around.

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Reave is my new best friennnnnnnd.


Reave is awesome! I made my KaidanShep an Engineer in ME2 and gave her Reave. She's like a one-man army (Incinerate, Overload, Reave and Drone). Some fights I don't even fire a single shot. Reave is also the best setup for a headshot ever. Makes having Garrus in the party that much more fun Posted Image

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One of the things I noticed about Garrus, is that he's mostly snarky with people he feels comfortable with, I think. With other people he's more professional (of course, besides villains like Harkin, etc). It's really interesting.


I never noticed this before but I think you are right.  Friendly Garrus=wiseass Garrus?  Why does that make me like him even more?

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Reave is awesome! I made my KaidanShep an Engineer in ME2 and gave her Reave. She's like a one-man army (Incinerate, Overload, Reave and Drone). Some fights I don't even fire a single shot. Reave is also the best setup for a headshot ever. Makes having Garrus in the party that much more fun Posted Image


Are engineers any good in ME1?  I don't like to retcon a character into something else so if I did an engineer I'd want to start all the way back in ME1.  Tried this with Sentinel and found ME1 Sentinel to be pretty boring (effective but boring) so I didn't finish.  Too bad too, that was gonna be my sorta renegadish loyal to ME1 love interest Shep.  I'd like to try Engineer.  Maybe I'll do that with a pure Tali dudeshep.  She'd appreciate it I'm sure.  He can name his combat drone Boo.

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Reave is awesome! I made my KaidanShep an Engineer in ME2 and gave her Reave. She's like a one-man army (Incinerate, Overload, Reave and Drone). Some fights I don't even fire a single shot. Reave is also the best setup for a headshot ever. Makes having Garrus in the party that much more fun Posted Image


ZOMG JEALOUS. I haven't played an Engineer yet. I'm one of those "I can't make myself another character because the ONE character I have is THE Shepard! ... Right?" people. But I want a drone. So bad.

Hey look!

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I thought this fanart was kinda touching. I think it's by... solidfalcon? On DA. Can't remember. Garrus's time on Omega and Shepard's loneliness amongst Cerberus flunkies on the SR2.

EDIT: Derp a derp. Solid Falcon. Right on the picture.

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