I heartily support this idea.lovgreno wrote...
From now on I am certain that turians refer to human boobs as "funny bumps".
Seriously, I think I love that groundskeeper more than the mechanic turian from ME1 now.
Calibrations: Garrus Love and Turian Discussion
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Posté 11 août 2010 - 11:48
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Seriously, I think I love that groundskeeper more than the mechanic turian from ME1 now.
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Posté 11 août 2010 - 12:30
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More than Li? That's a hard call for me. Li grins at you and then looks sheepish when you ask about his job, and he's from Jersey! 
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Posté 11 août 2010 - 02:05
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Hmmm... all this talk of tropes makes me wonder what my characters fit, especially my dominant Shepard.
Depending on your Shepard, though, The Lancer might also fit our favorite turian.
Depending on your Shepard, though, The Lancer might also fit our favorite turian.
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Posté 11 août 2010 - 03:36
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Sialater wrote...
Hmmm... all this talk of tropes makes me wonder what my characters fit, especially my dominant Shepard.
Depending on your Shepard, though, The Lancer might also fit our favorite turian.
I think you hit the nail on the head with the Lancer -- that fits Garrus in all kinds of ways.
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Posté 11 août 2010 - 03:38
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ElectricZ wrote...
Sialater wrote...
Hmmm... all this talk of tropes makes me wonder what my characters fit, especially my dominant Shepard.
Depending on your Shepard, though, The Lancer might also fit our favorite turian.
I think you hit the nail on the head with the Lancer -- that fits Garrus in all kinds of ways.
Garrus = Han Solo? No wonder I like him.
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Posté 11 août 2010 - 03:50
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Sialater wrote...
Garrus = Han Solo? No wonder I like him.
I'm not sure who benefits more from the comparison, actually...
'Tis a hard choice...
I must ponder on this some more *ogles her Star Wars*
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Posté 11 août 2010 - 03:57
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It's always good to ogle Han Solo.... er, Garrus.
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Posté 11 août 2010 - 04:14
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I can't see Garrus saying "I know" in response to "I love you."
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Posté 11 août 2010 - 04:17
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ciaweth wrote...
I can't see Garrus saying "I know" in response to "I love you."
Asdjghlnhrtijih...
You just broke me.
*goes to watch Star Wars*
That being said, no, Garrus wouldn't answer that.
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Posté 11 août 2010 - 04:19
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Shepard would.
Well, Meghan Shepard would.
Well, Meghan Shepard would.
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Posté 11 août 2010 - 04:21
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But would Garrus say "I love you"?
I think not
I think not
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Posté 11 août 2010 - 04:28
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Hmm just stopping in to say hello and send support to Mr. Vakarian and Turians in general. ![=]](https://lvlt.forum.bioware.com/public/style_emoticons/default/sideways.png)
In response to theories about Garrus's improvising nature, I think I want to point out that Cathka (the Batarian fixing the gunship in Archangel's recruit mission) complains that Garrus had some method of sealing/blocking off all the entrances to his base of operations, indicating he'd planned for something like this to happen. So, to me it seems that although he is an improviser, when he /does/ choose to do something, he thinks of everything that could possibly happen and prepares accordingly. That adds to his ability to improvise so well, I suppose.
It makes me wonder why he didn't see Sidonis' betrayal coming, though, if that's an accurate description of Garrus. Help?
In response to theories about Garrus's improvising nature, I think I want to point out that Cathka (the Batarian fixing the gunship in Archangel's recruit mission) complains that Garrus had some method of sealing/blocking off all the entrances to his base of operations, indicating he'd planned for something like this to happen. So, to me it seems that although he is an improviser, when he /does/ choose to do something, he thinks of everything that could possibly happen and prepares accordingly. That adds to his ability to improvise so well, I suppose.
It makes me wonder why he didn't see Sidonis' betrayal coming, though, if that's an accurate description of Garrus. Help?
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Posté 11 août 2010 - 04:30
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Garrus has a blind spot in people he's already decided to trust. Hence why he doesn't tell Renegade Shepard to take a long walk off a short pier.
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Posté 11 août 2010 - 04:37
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I can definitely see that. Thank you, Sialater! Now back to the drudgery that is... Insanity.
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Posté 11 août 2010 - 04:40
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Hah, no. He'd do something more stylish.Cerrydd wrote...
But would Garrus say "I love you"?
I think not
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Posté 11 août 2010 - 04:41
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Icanhazsparklies wrote...
Hmm just stopping in to say hello and send support to Mr. Vakarian and Turians in general.
In response to theories about Garrus's improvising nature, I think I want to point out that Cathka (the Batarian fixing the gunship in Archangel's recruit mission) complains that Garrus had some method of sealing/blocking off all the entrances to his base of operations, indicating he'd planned for something like this to happen. So, to me it seems that although he is an improviser, when he /does/ choose to do something, he thinks of everything that could possibly happen and prepares accordingly. That adds to his ability to improvise so well, I suppose.
It makes me wonder why he didn't see Sidonis' betrayal coming, though, if that's an accurate description of Garrus. Help?
Well, like I said. Once he gets behind something, he does plan, but until he gets behind something he doesn't. And again, I'm not really talking about battlefield strategy. I mean long term stuff. That is always pretty open-ended and vague. "Cleaning up Omega" and the like. And with Sidonis, I really just think he didn't think any of his team would betray him. He didn't prepare for that because he didn't think he would have to. It might not have even crossed his mind.
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Posté 11 août 2010 - 04:49
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RE Garrus doing something stylish.
I think what ever he did he'd be apologetic about it, some what self-effacing and try not to make a big deal. It would fit with his rather awkward romance dialogue. It's kind of like he needs to make light of it in case Shepard turns him down so he can save some face and not wreck their friendship.
I think what ever he did he'd be apologetic about it, some what self-effacing and try not to make a big deal. It would fit with his rather awkward romance dialogue. It's kind of like he needs to make light of it in case Shepard turns him down so he can save some face and not wreck their friendship.
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Posté 11 août 2010 - 04:52
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You can't see betrayal coming, unless the person has been acting shady. From what I gather, Sidonis wasn't acting something like that at all. It all happened very fast, probably within a few hours I think.
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Posté 11 août 2010 - 05:04
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To be honest, I am not quite sure how Garrus would handle "I love you." There are several plausible things dancing around in my head. I hope Bioware surprises me and I'm sure they can.
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Posté 11 août 2010 - 05:48
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Cerrydd wrote...
You can't see betrayal coming, unless the person has been acting shady. From what I gather, Sidonis wasn't acting something like that at all. It all happened very fast, probably within a few hours I think.
I also think Sidonis had no intention of betraying Garrus until the mercs actually caught him and threatened him. So there was nothing Garrus could've seen coming.
As for him sealing the entrances to his base, that only happened after the attack, once he returned and saw his entire team dead. He barricaded himself in the base afterwards. So yes, he does plan once the attack is underway, but no, I don't think the entrances were sealed before he left to rendez-vous with Sidonis.
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Posté 11 août 2010 - 05:58
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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
To be honest, I am not quite sure how Garrus would handle "I love you." There are several plausible things dancing around in my head. I hope Bioware surprises me and I'm sure they can.
I get the impression that Garrus whole heartedly throws himself into something once he makes his mind up. That being said I can see that he might be hesitant to talk about his feelings. Turians seem to be discouraged from thinking too much about their own needs. I can see him showing Sheppard he loves her through all kinds of thoughtful things but not really saying the words. I can even see him becoming really uncomfortable if Sheppard tells him she loves him. I guess at that point he'd probably stammer some sort of reply that he feels the same way.
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Posté 11 août 2010 - 06:46
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Well, Buddha, over in Clan Z asked me to explain why I didn't think the Garrus romance felt abrupt and I said I had rather put it here in the interest of bumping the thread so here we go.
The main reason is simply because the Garrus romance is built entirely on trust, familiarity, and respect. It's kinda singular in the romances for that reason. It's not built on sexual attraction (at least not at first) or romantic love (again not at first) or even finding the other "intriguing" or "new" or "exotic" or "mysterious." Garrus and Shep are ridiculously strait-forward with each other. They know each other through and through. As Collider has pointed out, the game pretty much assumes Garrus is your best friend. It's impossible to make Shep act like he/she hates Garrus in ME2. The most you can manage is a kind of professionalism. But you can be downright mean to most of the other squaddies. That familiarity is key.
Now lots of people play their Sheps as having some kind of hidden crush on Garrus from the beginning but there is absolutely no in-game reason to support this. Likewise there is no concrete evidence to suggest that Garrus had any kind of real interest up until the point where you jump him. He's utterly shocked by it. (If there is evidence it is very idle flirting that can be passed off as him just poking at Shepard. It's almost more bromancey than flirty just minus the "bro" part.) Now it's also arguable that his "why the hell not" option is amazingly forward and that unless he had some latent interest going on he would never have done that. Nonetheless, even in that moment he still justifies it by saying "there's no one in this galaxy I respect more than you." Friendship and trust is brought up over and over again throughout the whole thing.
My point with that is that an initial "courtship" process with Garrus would have been unbelievably weird. Asking Garrus out to dinner would have been way weirder than soliciting him for sex. A large part of that awkward built up crap of "courtship" is to ascertain if the other person is compatible and good material for a long term relationship. But with Shepard and Garrus they already know each other through and through. They know they are compatible. There's no need for some long weird testing the waters phase that would just be awkward and feature them repeating a bunch of stuff they probably already know. To me the abrupt confrontation makes more sense. It's Shep saying, "hey look, we could work well together. You know that. Wanna try it?" And Garrus responds in kind. All of his nervousness has nothing to do with him thinking Shep isn't a good personality match for him. He's more concerned about derailing the mission and physical compatibility. The morals and personality thing never comes up because he knows it is a understood point. "You're about the only friend I've got left in this screwed up galaxy." "I don't want something closer to home. I want you. I want someone I can trust." The whole romance is just oozing with that. Given all that, I think an abrupt taking it the next level thing makes the most since for them.
The main reason is simply because the Garrus romance is built entirely on trust, familiarity, and respect. It's kinda singular in the romances for that reason. It's not built on sexual attraction (at least not at first) or romantic love (again not at first) or even finding the other "intriguing" or "new" or "exotic" or "mysterious." Garrus and Shep are ridiculously strait-forward with each other. They know each other through and through. As Collider has pointed out, the game pretty much assumes Garrus is your best friend. It's impossible to make Shep act like he/she hates Garrus in ME2. The most you can manage is a kind of professionalism. But you can be downright mean to most of the other squaddies. That familiarity is key.
Now lots of people play their Sheps as having some kind of hidden crush on Garrus from the beginning but there is absolutely no in-game reason to support this. Likewise there is no concrete evidence to suggest that Garrus had any kind of real interest up until the point where you jump him. He's utterly shocked by it. (If there is evidence it is very idle flirting that can be passed off as him just poking at Shepard. It's almost more bromancey than flirty just minus the "bro" part.) Now it's also arguable that his "why the hell not" option is amazingly forward and that unless he had some latent interest going on he would never have done that. Nonetheless, even in that moment he still justifies it by saying "there's no one in this galaxy I respect more than you." Friendship and trust is brought up over and over again throughout the whole thing.
My point with that is that an initial "courtship" process with Garrus would have been unbelievably weird. Asking Garrus out to dinner would have been way weirder than soliciting him for sex. A large part of that awkward built up crap of "courtship" is to ascertain if the other person is compatible and good material for a long term relationship. But with Shepard and Garrus they already know each other through and through. They know they are compatible. There's no need for some long weird testing the waters phase that would just be awkward and feature them repeating a bunch of stuff they probably already know. To me the abrupt confrontation makes more sense. It's Shep saying, "hey look, we could work well together. You know that. Wanna try it?" And Garrus responds in kind. All of his nervousness has nothing to do with him thinking Shep isn't a good personality match for him. He's more concerned about derailing the mission and physical compatibility. The morals and personality thing never comes up because he knows it is a understood point. "You're about the only friend I've got left in this screwed up galaxy." "I don't want something closer to home. I want you. I want someone I can trust." The whole romance is just oozing with that. Given all that, I think an abrupt taking it the next level thing makes the most since for them.
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Posté 11 août 2010 - 06:53
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Thanks for elaborating. I'll return the favor with my reply. Heh.
It is interesting that the game basically doesn't allow you to push Garrus away. Some might say it's because he has so few convos outside of the romance, but I think it's still telling.
And what you're saying RE: courtship is great. That's an inversion of the usual way of thinking about a relationship but it really rings true.
It is interesting that the game basically doesn't allow you to push Garrus away. Some might say it's because he has so few convos outside of the romance, but I think it's still telling.
And what you're saying RE: courtship is great. That's an inversion of the usual way of thinking about a relationship but it really rings true.
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Posté 11 août 2010 - 07:08
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I just can't see Shepard pushing either Tali or Garrus away. They are the only crew members she's known from before and can trust as much as anyone else. It just wouldn't fit for her to be mean to Garrus - even if they weren't super best friends in ME1. I think if your whole world was turned upside down no matter how bad ass you are there's something to be said for seeing familiar faces and for having something predictable and reliable. Both Garrus and Tali are pretty stable that way - they don't flip flop an issues.
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Posté 11 août 2010 - 08:04
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Garrus saying "I love you"? i bet my quads on it that he will never get that 3 words out of his mouth unless Shepard is dying or something in ME3. I think if he wanted to confess his feelings to Shepard, he will definitely use some awkward metaphors and maybe end his line with "throw me a line here Shepard!" or "you know...".
