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[Homebound]

Who would win in a fight? Councellor Velarn? Or Garrus, 500 metres away, with a sniper rifle?

 NOTE: Councellor Velarn can dismiss bullets if Shepard tells him they are a threat.

Modifié par Just_mike, 13 août 2010 - 06:34 .

[Tootles FTW]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Okay, here's one.  Do you think the stick up the turian councilor's butt is his own doing? 

Just watch.  Velarn is going to pull a Snape and end up the redeemed hero at the end. 

[Collider]

Garrus I found on deviantart.com

AND HE HAS A HAT

[Nilfalasiel]

That comic about Velarn was awesome

As for why he is the way he is...I do think it's more of a personal issue than representative of turians in general. Especially with all those news clips you hear on the Citadel in ME2 if you rescued the Council: the turian fleet collaborating with the Alliance, turians giving reparations to First Contact War victims. Not all turians are vindictive towards humans, especially not if you saved the Council.

It is true that Velarn seems to soften up at the end of ME1 a bit, but that's only because he's grateful that Shepard pulled his butt out of the fire. He hasn't suddenly started believing that the Reapers exist, so when Shep comes back in ME2 talking about Reapers, of course he's going to be pissy about it (especially since Shep is working for Cerberus, which adds a huge element of suspicion).

Concerning Garrus taking a stand in ME3: yes, it's possible if Shep does something completely out of keeping with her/his moral stance up to then (if a mostly Paragon Shep makes a big Renegade decision, or the other way around), but I don't think a lot of people would get to see it. Because if you've been making Paragon decisions for 2 games already, you're probably not going to have a fit of madness and destroy Palaven or anything (which is the magnitude of the decision it would take to make Garrus butt heads with Shepard, I think).

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 13 août 2010 - 08:12 .

[Collider]

The way the Council in ME1 talks about the Reapers being real but in ME2 they deny it leads me to suspect that they didn't have ME2 really planned out around that time.

[lovgreno]

Both Velarn and many Shepards are total smartasses so it's not suprising that they end up nagging at each others. Velarn does take Shepard serious when he/she can back their claims up with something substantial.

I guess Velarn is the second most powerfull individual in the galaxy after the asari councilour so my guess is Garrus would do the smart thing and not mess with him.

Garrus would take a stand against Shepard if he/she did something very wrong from his point of wiev. The fiercely idealistic young hothead Garrus is more loyal to his principes than to Shepard.

[Nilfalasiel]

Collider wrote...

The way the Council in ME1 talks about the Reapers being real but in ME2 they deny it leads me to suspect that they didn't have ME2 really planned out around that time.

They never actually do though. They tell Shepard that if she/he thinks the Reapers are real, she/he should do something about it. But they never come right out and admit that yes, they do exist. At least, not that I remember.

[Nilfalasiel]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

They do for a brief moment at the end game.  Here you go.  Relevant bit is around 30 seconds.  Granted they later look putout by Shep's speech, but they don't challenge her or Anderson either.

Ah yes, indeed, Councillor Tevos (I think that's supposed to be the asari's name) does say "Sovereign and the Reapers". It might just be to humour Shep though, since they're really not in a position to get pissy with her/him at that point, or they'd just be ungrateful asses.

[Nilfalasiel]

Also possible, yeah. Although I think there's also a lot of travelling to Egypt involved in their claim that there was "no proof that Sovereign wasn't constructed by the geth."

Oh yes, something else I picked up on over the previous pages:

UnDutchable wrote...

I agree that introducing alien LIs had to be a gradual process. I played ME2 before ME1 and I stayed away from Thane and Garrus because I couldn't imagine why anyone would want a relationship with a frog-lizard-snake guy with hallucinogenic saliva or a metal-skinned, kitty-faced dinosaur with killer sperm.

Lol, there's quite a big difference between the possibility of an allergic reaction and killer sperm

[lovgreno]

Being a kitty-faced dinosaur sounds like a good reason to date a alien to me. Besides Garrus is hardly poisonous to a ordinary human and Shepard is a supercyborg who shrugs off extreme damage and poisons.

[Nilfalasiel]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Why does everybody assume it is Thane's saliva that Mordin is talking about?

 On a more serious note, I assumed it was his skin in general. He does seem to have some sort of oily coating all over.

And you got me curious now, Nilf.  If they knew the truth behind the Reapers, why would they deny it and for all practical appearances do nothing about it?  That's really bad policy.

Simple: to avoid generalized panic. Can you imagine what would happen if they announced that there were 100+ Sovereigns coming, and that no one really knew how to deal with them?

[lovgreno]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

 Why does everybody assume it is Thane's saliva that Mordin is talking about?

And you got me curious now, Nilf.  If they knew the truth behind the Reapers, why would they deny it and for all practical appearances do nothing about it?  That's really bad policy.

The possibilities are endless.
They would definitely not risk to leak their possible (I think probable in case of a alien council) investigations about reapers to the from their (and basicaly everyones) perspective unthrustworthy Cerberus who Shepard is obviously working with.

[Collider]

Shepard & Garrus are willing to try it out even when they could potentially kill each other. Awesome.

[lovgreno]

Collider wrote...

Shepard & Garrus are willing to try it out even when they could potentially kill each other. Awesome.

As Jacob would say: Heavy risk...
But after a rocket to the face and crashing into a planet without a spaceship a little alien loving is probably a walk in the park. Seriously badass these two.

[Collider]

The fact that they can both die yet they want to do it anyway is among the reasons why the romance is not a fling.

[Nilfalasiel]

Collider wrote...

The fact that they can both die yet they want to do it anyway is among the reasons why the romance is not a fling.

I really think the risk of dying is a LOT more acute in Tali's case. Allergic reaction doesn't automatically mean death. Plus it's very far from being 100% guaranteed that there will even be an allergic reaction.

@ Raga: I'm pretty sure they know that if they told Shepard they were trying to avoid widespread panic, she/he would just call them out for being idiots, because it's irresponsible to be trying to cover the Reapers' existence up, at that point. They don't want drama. And it's certainly easier for them to see Shepard as suspicious than as someone to whom they owe something (because that would also mean that they owe her/his opinions recognition). I don't think they're in too much of a hurry to ascertain why exactly Shepard is cooperating with Cerberus.

[UnDutchable]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

UnDutchable wrote...

I agree that introducing alien LIs had to be a gradual process. I played ME2 before ME1 and I stayed away from Thane and Garrus because I couldn't imagine why anyone would want a relationship with a frog-lizard-snake guy with hallucinogenic saliva or a metal-skinned, kitty-faced dinosaur with killer sperm.

Lol, there's quite a big difference between the possibility of an allergic reaction and killer sperm

Yeah, I know, but as soon as I heard "anaphylactic shock" I started thinking about people choking because of peanut allergies or allergic reactions to bee stings, and for a long time that was all I could think about when I thought about Shepard and Garrus having sex.

... not that I spent a lot of time thinking about Shepard and Garrus having sex. Nope. :innocent:


Anyway, I think that the council was written as being skeptical about the Reapers simply because the writers wanted a reason for Shepard to work with Cerberus. It never made sense to me why they wouldn't investigate Sovereign's origins, though. The geth hadn't been seen outside the Veil in 300 years and they'd evolved a lot during that time, so even if Sovereign was a geth ship, wouldn't it be prudent to send a fleet to make sure the geth don't have more of those ships lying in wait? 
And Velarn is just a bastard. Most of the other aliens who distrust humans, like Executor Pallin, at least seem to be willing to give humans a chance to prove themselves. Velarn just b*tches at you no matter what you do. Save the colonists on Feros? Well, of course a human Spectre would go out of their way to save other humans. Talk back to a member of the Council? Clearly humans are too hot-headed to become Spectres. Kill the rachni queen? Humans enjoy genocide! (this is hilarious, coming from a turian)

I love to hate Councilor Velarn and I hope he comes back for ME3.

[Chimervera]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
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-->A rogue plot device that occured so he could go be a badass