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[kglaser]

I would wear that shirt to church just for the "What the..." expressions I'd get. XD

[tommyt_1994]

Hello Garrus thread, just stopping by to lurk and show my support for my 2nd favorite character, Tali's number one . Tali and Garrus are definetly my favorite squad. Here's to hoping they both return with tons of content as well as full-fledged squaddies/LI's in ME3.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Eradyn wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

So wait, does this mean that they actually might make a garrus and tali t-shirt? Hurrah!

Well, if it's really an official poll, there's a good chance they mean business.

Huzzah!

[Sialater]

OK, here's a question I've been wondering... do you think Garrus really believed it was Shepard right off the bat, or did he reserve judgment since he was put back together on The Normandy? And didn't jump ship for several complex reasons?



After all, he's surrounded by Cerberus goons. Shepard, if she's completely under Cerberus' thrall/is a clone/a brainwashed shell of her former self... is still a bad ass. You think he's cagey enough to wait until he's convinced either way?

[ThatDancingTurian]

Sialater wrote...

OK, here's a question I've been wondering... do you think Garrus really believed it was Shepard right off the bat, or did he reserve judgment since he was put back together on The Normandy? And didn't jump ship for several complex reasons?

After all, he's surrounded by Cerberus goons. Shepard, if she's completely under Cerberus' thrall/is a clone/a brainwashed shell of her former self... is still a bad ass. You think he's cagey enough to wait until he's convinced either way?

I think despite having recently been betrayed by someone he trusted, Garrus still has complete faith in Shepard. IMO, he's one of those people who when you've gained their trust you have it forever, which is probably why Sidonis' betrayal hit him so hard. I don't think there was even a moment after you pick him up on Omega that he thought about leaving.

As far as her being brainwashed, Shepard seemed very Shepard during his recruitment mission so I don't think he'd have any reason to believe there was something wrong with her just because she's with Cerberus. I think he knows her well enough to have known it was her right off the bat, I don't think 'clone/thrall/Shepbot' even entered his mind.

[Collider]

tommyt_1994 wrote...

Hello Garrus thread, just stopping by to lurk and show my support for my 2nd favorite character, Tali's number one . Tali and Garrus are definetly my favorite squad. Here's to hoping they both return with tons of content as well as full-fledged squaddies/LI's in ME3.

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Well did/can Garrus know Shepard's with Cerberus before he actually gets onto the Normandy? 

Modifié par Collider, 14 août 2010 - 03:18 .

[Sialater]

Collider wrote...

tommyt_1994 wrote...

Hello Garrus thread, just stopping by to lurk and show my support for my 2nd favorite character, Tali's number one . Tali and Garrus are definetly my favorite squad. Here's to hoping they both return with tons of content as well as full-fledged squaddies/LI's in ME3.

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Well did/can Garrus know Shepard's with Cerberus before he actually gets onto the Normandy? 

I doubt it.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Honestly I don't think garrus gives a damn if shepard was with cerberus or not.

[Twilight_Princess]

Its amazing how no one knows for sure how Bioware are going to handle character imports for ME3. I really hope this was all planned out and that we're all going to feel silly for worrying about it when it comes out. I have my own idea based on the pattern. The team got bigger, the ship got bigger, the threat got bigger. So it’s safe to assume things are going to get bigger in ME3 . So Shepard needs a big team ...an army maybe, a big counter weapon?  A place to bring all of it together?

What if there is a space station this time around? Think a DS9 type base where the Normandy boards in-between missions. Or even a secret location on a planet somewhere. This is where you socialize with the crew, where the exposition happens and where the reaper counter attack is being prepared. So if a character gets reduced to an NPC they still get an important role and you can still talk to them. You can only bring a certain amount of crew members with you on the Normandy while the rest stay behind and help out at this base. You don't get punished for this as you can't have in depth chats with the crew members on the Normandy anyway, you go back for that. This is a great opportunity for that "bar"to happen, proper quarters for all the crew and as you progress through the game, the station gets more and more busy when you recruit allies.

[Ch40sFox]

Personally, Garrus was one of my favorites from the first one..... but he was a bit..... dry.



In the second, he was just as, if not more, dry.



It dissapointed me, which is incredibly hard to do, when he had 4 actual conversations with you. It pissed me off to no end to find he was ALWAYS in the middle of calibrations.



I really hope they find a way to alleviate this problem in 3, because Garrus has so much potential as a character, really being Shepard's unintentional protoge.



I really like the idea above me though.... itd really make it seem more Mass Effect to me. To have an actual base.



Honestly though, Id really like for character interaction to come back, it was absent in ME2, and the game severely suffered for it.

[Xsause]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

So wait, does this mean that they actually might make a garrus and tali t-shirt? Hurrah!

Well, I know what shirt I would like to see.

[ElectricZ]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Hah, it's funny.  This very thing is kinda/sorta addressed in a little scrap of fic I just posted in Clan Solus.  Basically at the point that Shep shows up I think he was running on adrenaline, instinct, and nerves.  I don't think he really had much time for analytical or emotional observation right there.  His chief concern is staying alive.

I'd go a step further and suggest that Garrus wasn't planning on staying alive at all. He was going to last as long as he could to take out as many of the mercenaries as possible... But from his demeanor and how he boxed himself in, I got the feeling that Garrus was planning to die with his men. He felt responsible for their deaths and that would have been the only way out. Plus, he had nothing outside of Omega to live for... until Shepard showed up.

Then they fight a tremendous battle together. I think at that point Garrus would likely be sold. Who else other than your best friend would face those kinds of odds with you?

Immediately afterwards, Garrus gets knocked out and wakes up on the "Normandy." Sure, it's a Cerberus ship, but the first face he saw was likely Dr. Chakwas who he knows and trusts. She would give him the lowdown, I'm sure, including why she's wearing a Cerberus uniform. He'd want to know how he got there, and the answer again would have been "Shepard saved you."

So trust Cerberus? Hell no. Trust Shepard? "I'll be here if you need me."

This is one reason I hate Jacob's statement that the Alliance "gave up" on Shepard.  Shepard was dead.  They didn't give up on her.

Jacob may have been referring to the way the Alliance (and the Council) treated Shepard after defeating Sovereign.

"Great job on destroying that geth ship, Shepard."

"That was a reaper. Not a geth ship."

"Well, there's still some geth resistance out there. We're sending you out on patrol in the ass end of space for three months to clean it out."
(under breath) Plus we can't keep having you running around causing a panic with all this "reaper" nonsense...

"Is there something wrong with the acoustics in here? It wasn't the geth. We need to--"

"Great, you have your orders. Let us know when you've got that geth problem taken care of. Kthxbai."

...

Though I don't remember the context of Jacob's quote, but I do know he felt the Alliance really let Shepard down (and by extension Jacob himself)  in how they treated him after saving the entire galaxy. Just a thought.

[Eradyn]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

So trust Cerberus? Hell no. Trust Shepard? "I'll be here if you need me."

Well, it's not that he stopped trusting Shepard.  But trust isn't blind.  It's earned, and when major changes in behavior or circumstance occur I think it's only natural to want to get to the bottom of them.  And he didn't leave.  He stayed, but I can see him asking questions and wanting answers.  That's only reasonable, and is in fact further evidence that he does trust Shepard.  If he didn't, he wouldn't have waited for an explanation at all.  He'd have said "screw this" and left right away.  I don't think asking questions in and of itself means he isn't loyal or doesn't trust Shep.

I think that speaks volumes about Garrus as a character/person.  It's also part of why Garrus is my top fave character across the BW board.

[Andaius20]

Runs in and Throws everyone Gasrrus plushies because it's his birthday.

[Pacifien]

Eradyn wrote...
I'm still of the opinion (after some research) that, although it is possible, it would be rare for any sort of reaction, much less a severe one, to occur due to the nature of dextro and levo-amino acids interactions with the opposite
chirality biology...in short, that it doesn't.  Heck, we consume stuff that has both chiralities present to no ill effect.  I
recall someone mentioning that if it were a complex enough protein, it could theoretically cause a reaction, but those tend to not exist in nature...and the body will otherwise ignore an opposite chirality molecule.  Once again, of course, the "possibility" always exists... Then again, this is ME and I guess if they want to scrub rl, then they
will...but that tends to make for bad sci-fi. D;

It's really each individual's sensitivity to foreign matter. I can eat strawberries. My friend's tongue swells up.

Where I think the developers were confused on the lethal nature of chirality is its uses in medication. Keep in mind, the molecular structure found in medication is not amino acids. Some medications will have both chiralities present, a side effect of the chemical process that produces the molecules on a 50/50 split. Normally, the body ignores what it can't use. However, there have been cases where the alternate chirality had severe side effects.

Our bodies do use a dextro amino acid, by the way. Dextro-Serine. There's even something called protein racemization where the proteins transform to the dextro form -- though that is usually deemed a marker of bad things.

[Andaius20]

It is my b-day, turned 30 I'm an old foggy now. Also Paci seems to be wise in the ways of Biochemistry!

[Eradyn]

Pacifien wrote...

Eradyn wrote...
I'm still of the opinion (after some research) that, although it is possible, it would be rare for any sort of reaction, much less a severe one, to occur due to the nature of dextro and levo-amino acids interactions with the opposite
chirality biology...in short, that it doesn't.  Heck, we consume stuff that has both chiralities present to no ill effect.  I
recall someone mentioning that if it were a complex enough protein, it could theoretically cause a reaction, but those tend to not exist in nature...and the body will otherwise ignore an opposite chirality molecule.  Once again, of course, the "possibility" always exists... Then again, this is ME and I guess if they want to scrub rl, then they
will...but that tends to make for bad sci-fi. D;

It's really each individual's sensitivity to foreign matter. I can eat strawberries. My friend's tongue swells up.

Where I think the developers were confused on the lethal nature of chirality is its uses in medication. Keep in mind, the molecular structure found in medication is not amino acids. Some medications will have both chiralities present, a side effect of the chemical process that produces the molecules on a 50/50 split. Normally, the body ignores what it can't use. However, there have been cases where the alternate chirality had severe side effects.

Our bodies do use a dextro amino acid, by the way. Dextro-Serine. There's even something called protein racemization where the proteins transform to the dextro form -- though that is usually deemed a marker of bad things.

Yeah, there is the chance that some people would have allergic reactions.  ^^ I still think the chance of a lethal allergic reaction is so low as to be a non-issue for the vast majority of ME-inhabitants since you have to first have an interaction of a sort with the opposite chirality for there to even be a remote chance of an allergic reaction occuring.  My main point: Most of us should be able to ingest.  Yay liquid sugar Garrus. XD

EDIT: Also, happy b-day Andaius, AND 30 IS NOT OLD. XD

Modifié par Eradyn, 14 août 2010 - 03:46 .

[Pacifien]

Andaius20 wrote...
It is my b-day, turned 30 I'm an old foggy now. Also Paci seems to be wise in the ways of Biochemistry!

Your body is racemizing those proteins into oldness, Andaius.

[Sialater]

Happy Birthday, Andaius!



Have a Garrus:

[Andaius20]

Pacifien wrote...

Andaius20 wrote...
It is my b-day, turned 30 I'm an old foggy now. Also Paci seems to be wise in the ways of Biochemistry!

Your body is racemizing those proteins into oldness, Andaius.

Oh, dear.....