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You silly Garrusites, turning this thread into NSFW while I was gone...well, that's one thing.  But WITHOUT *ME*? :crying:
I's hurt.  That's it, no turian donuts for any of ya.  Haha, I kid. :wizard:

And Xsause, I just noticed your avatar...is Mordin having a Preparation H moment??  He looks...riled up. :mellow:

Edit:  TOP.  I always liked the art style of this one.  Almost "paint-by-numbers" (but obviously involving much more skill):
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kglaser wrote...

You silly Garrusites, turning this thread into NSFW while I was gone...well, that's one thing.  But WITHOUT *ME*? :crying:

Well, get back in here, woman!

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Well, I'm here, but I promised to play some Dragon Ball Z game with my son in a few minutes. But I'll be back. :P

Everybody in his game wears these Garrus-y scouter things over their left eyes. LOL

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I always assumed they were there to help with balance, or something like that. xD It's pretty cool to imagine a turian roundhouse kick though. Or a biotic roundhouse kick if it's Saren.

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kglaser wrote...

Everybody in his game wears these Garrus-y scouter things over their left eyes. LOL


It begs to be said:

"IT'S OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND!!!"

Also, leg spurs for balance sounds like a thought. Especially with the way turian feet are shaped.

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Kim Shepard

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That's what I was thinking. It looks like they stand on the front of their feet only, and they're very top-heavy. The poor turians might fall over without them.

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If it were for balance, wouldn't they move on their own, like other animals' balancing stuff (tails, for example)?



Or maybe they did at one point millions of years ago, and all that's left now is a stump. That seems weird, though.



See, this is when it would be handy to have active devs. So that they could come in here, go O_O, and say "No. That's not what they're for. It's like this: [ explanation ]."

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Nilfalasiel wrote...

kglaser wrote...

Everybody in his game wears these Garrus-y scouter things over their left eyes. LOL


It begs to be said:

"IT'S OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND!!!"

Also, leg spurs for balance sounds like a thought. Especially with the way turian feet are shaped.

We're pretty close to 9000 posts. I have a Garrus 9000 picture ready for it :D

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Garrus: Shepard! Why are you dressed like me!

Shepard: NO! Why are you dressed like me!

Garrus:.... what?

Shepard: Well one of us has to change....

Garrus: fine! goes and downloads AA pack.

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ciaweth wrote...

If it were for balance, wouldn't they move on their own, like other animals' balancing stuff (tails, for example)?

Or maybe they did at one point millions of years ago, and all that's left now is a stump. That seems weird, though.

See, this is when it would be handy to have active devs. So that they could come in here, go O_O, and say "No. That's not what they're for. It's like this: [ explanation ]."

I don't think it has to be that way for all animals, probably all mammals though. Do any birds have them? That would be the best way to judge, since turians are a mix of birds and dinosaurs according to Anderson. The leg spurs make me think of bugs though. I don't know why.

Comments from the devs would be nice. (And a comment that started with "O_O No." would be kind of funny. xD)

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Why are turian feet so weird anyway? It's like they're walking around on invisible heels all the time. Lady Gaga would envy them. I'm a biological n00b, but since they're walking on 2 legs, those feet look a bit out of place.

Weird feet, but still awesome of course.

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Hey guys!  Promoted and moved towns, so finally set up my internet.  Still catching up.

Eradyn wrote...
I'm still of the opinion (after some research) that, although it is possible, it would be rare for any sort of reaction, much less a severe one, to occur due to the nature of dextro and levo-amino acids interactions with the opposite
chirality biology...in short, that it doesn't.  Heck, we consume stuff that has both chiralities present to no ill effect.  I
recall someone mentioning that if it were a complex enough protein, it could theoretically cause a reaction, but those tend to not exist in nature...and the body will otherwise ignore an opposite chirality molecule.  Once again, of course, the "possibility" always exists... :P Then again, this is ME and I guess if they want to scrub rl, then they
will...but that tends to make for bad sci-fi. D;


Okay...pill experts (wait that came out wrong)...anyone remember hearing about some morning sickness pill that caused huge birth defects a few decades ago?  I swear that was a famous case of chirality causing a problem.

That being said, it was an extreme example.  I just feel like maybe the ME writers recalled that news and decided that chirality would case HUGE problems ALL the time.

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Kim Shepard wrote...
 Do any birds have them?


Looks like.  See here, here, and here.

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Jackalope wrote...

Okay...pill experts (wait that came out wrong)...anyone remember hearing about some morning sickness pill that caused huge birth defects a few decades ago?  I swear that was a famous case of chirality causing a problem.

That being said, it was an extreme example.  I just feel like maybe the ME writers recalled that news and decided that chirality would case HUGE problems ALL the time.

You mean thalidomide?  I'm trying to read up on what exactly about that drug caused the issues, but I'm not understanding it.  Totally outside my area of expertise.

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Thalidomide.



And I imagine that walking/running on one's toes can allow for quieter attacks on prey.

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I think it's also a speed advantage.

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ciaweth wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...
 Do any birds have them?


Looks like.  See here, here, and here.

So birds do use them as weapons. Maybe that was something the turians did millions/thousands of years ago, but I still find it hard to imagine (probably because their body shape is more similar to humans than birds). It does make me wonder if the leg spurs are made of bone though.

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ciaweth wrote...
You mean thalidomide?  I'm trying to read up on what exactly about that drug caused the issues, but I'm not understanding it.  Totally outside my area of expertise.

Basically, a molecule has to be recognized like a key to a lock. If the molecule doesn't fit, it's not going to do what you need. But that doesn't mean the molecule isn't going to unlock something else. In Thalidomide's case, the R-molecule was supposed to relieve nausea. The S-molecule was just the junk you get from the normal synthesis of the drug, as it synthesizes in a 50/50 split of both forms of the molecule.

Only the S-molecule wasn't junk. It didn't do anything for nausea, but it did manage to unlock something else, which was the development cycle of a fetus, and prevent limb formation. And since pregnant women tend to get morning sick...

Anyway, that's the issue with dextro/levo amino acids -- two different molecular shapes. The human body is designed to recognize certain protein shapes. The turian body is designed to recognize the opposite. Throw a bunch of differently shaped proteins at you... odds are your body doesn't do anything with them in a biochemical sense because not much in the human body is designed to recognize a dextro-oriented protein. No key fits the locks. Allergic reaction, perhaps. But then again, you can have an allergic reaction to a levo-oriented protein.

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Gotcha. Thanks.

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ciaweth wrote...
You mean thalidomide?  I'm trying to read up on what exactly about that drug caused the issues, but I'm not understanding it.  Totally outside my area of expertise.


That's it.  Scary stuff.  Later on the wiki article:

It was soon discovered that only one particular optical isomer of thalidomide caused the teratogenicity. The pair of enantiomers, while mirror images of each other, cause different effects[22], although it is now known that the "safe" isomer can be converted to the teratogenic isomer once in the human body.[14][23](see Teratogenic mechanism).


So...yeah...mirror chemicals.  Intercalating is when something sort of shoves itself into the DNA.  Causes all sort of nasty things.  Thankfully the lab I work in now only has two chemicals that will mess you and your children up.

Also I think it's funny that Mass Effect is mentioned in "Chemical Chirality in Popular Fiction".

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Glad to see nobody beat me to the punch with sharing this here this time!

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Meet the Vakarians 3

Papa Vakarian's pipe is there, it's just in his other hand, off panel. D:

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Kim Shepard wrote...

ciaweth wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...
 Do any birds have them?


Looks like.  See here, here, and here.

So birds do use them as weapons. Maybe that was something the turians did millions/thousands of years ago, but I still find it hard to imagine (probably because their body shape is more similar to humans than birds). It does make me wonder if the leg spurs are made of bone though.

I thought it had be established that Turians are Space Raptors!
Raptor=Dinasaur=proto birds=birds-birds and proto birds+roman cultural overtones+space+awesome=Turians.

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Buggirl70 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

I thought the spurs were off to the side of the leg or they'd poke themselves in the ass when they crouched. Most of the animations I've seen have them lining up with the outside of the thigh.

My idea for their use? Sex. Oh, get your minds out of the gutter. NOT like that. More like something that would help hold the female in place... or something, or help her stay in place. Like turtles, for instance, the male's claws are longer than the female's claws in the back for gripping onto the shell during mating.

If female turians don't have spurs, well... I'd say they're for sex. Heck, even if female turians have them, they're still probably for sex. ;)

I'm not married to this idea, it's just a thought.

HAAAA
Seriously though I think someone actually posted a masskink prompt for that........*smirks knowingly at other thread regular*
Anyhow mind outa the gutter now, spurs/no spurs could be a way of differentiating male and female turians.


Ahh, nice to be at this thread- the refreshing mix of intriguing Qs and NSFW is welcome after a day of bizarre Off Topic (non-Garrus-related:P) remarks from America's Future Leaders aka my students. (Aaaand: there was also a fill for that prompt, Buggirl, which came to mind before I read your post. Dirty Great minds and all that.)

Last night, Garrus, Kaidan and I are on Feros, killed a wave of geth, took a breather, I look over at Garrus and he is still in fight mode except that there is something missing.

He's just that bada**- no gun needed.

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Aricle wrote...
Last night, Garrus, Kaidan and I are on Feros, killed a wave of geth, took a breather, I look over at Garrus and he is still in fight mode except that there is something missing.

He's just that bada**- no gun needed.

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HAHAHA!  PEW PEW!

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Garrus thread?