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[Sialater]

TheSweetGirl wrote...

I got a question for you guys. If Shepard had reasoned with Saren in ME1 and Saren commits suicide, how do you think Garrus thought of that?

Since it would have been something like hara-kiri... he'd have approved.  Saren did what he had to to get his honor back. 

[Eradyn]

What Sia said about turian honor. *nods*



As for the topic of future games: An ME:O would be awesome, especially if we could play as other species (female turians, woooo!). An mmo I would likely play, but at the same time I have certain misgivings. I can be picky about my game mechanic preferences.



For example, I utterly DESPISE zones. Now those might make sense for space stations, in the case of ME, but what about planets or space travel? I love the idea of actually being able to roam through a star system. Perhaps the a zone change could be accomplished via relay travel, and then we could freely fly through individual star clusters? Just a thought. And it really would be kickass if we could work to own our own ship.



I come from an mmo called "Vanguard: Saga of Heroes" which had three main zones: continents. Massive continents with cities and towns and outposts that were neither zones nor instances. They were seamlessly integrated into the landscape. This made it feel very much like an actual world and less like a game. I wonder if something similar could be incorporated for going planetside and visiting cities and the like, instead of relying on "boxed" zones that funneled you from Point A to Point B.



It would be awesome to be able to wander across a swathe of Palaven, or one of its islands or something.



With how massive the game's scale would be (a galaxy vs part of one planet) I know it isn't realistic to expect them to use the same mechanics vanguard did, but I think some concepts could be applied with positive benefits.



Just a few musings of mine on the subject. I also wonder at what point in the timeline such a game would occur. I would prefer after Shepard defeated the reapers, but how far after? Or should it occur alongside that timeline and then after it? What of a SWG pre-NGE style mmo where we have a more complex, player-driven economy and crafting system? Weapons, armor, bio-amps, omnitools, mods, ships, building business empires and science corporations, discovering or improving technologies, exploring new worlds and ruins of ancient civilizations, discovering new species, colonizing new worlds, being anything from an engineer to a reasearcher to a business mogul to a csec officer to a soldier or merc or spy. Should it be skill-based or class based? (I personally support the former) and just how much of a living galaxy should it be?



ME, more than most other modern game IPs, has the potential to be The Next Big Thing. The material and possibilities and freedom are there for BW to really go all out with it. I just wonder if they would, or if we would instead end up with EQ2/Guild Wars/WoW in space.

[ciaweth]

Christina Norman has a question for female Mass Effect fans.

[T3hMerc]

If you could prevent Vakarian from being scarred, would you? I know I would.

[ciaweth]

If I could prevent him from getting hurt, I would do so. But if not, at the very least I'd ask him if he wanted to use the thingy that removed my own scars. Maybe he wants to keep them. I dunno.

[Kim Shepard]

kglaser wrote...

I'm well into my 4th complete playthrough of ME1, and I love role-playing my Shepard.  There's just so much thought involved in it.  The other times I just did whatever.  This time I might spend 20-30 minutes looking at how a scene evolves and ends, playing it over and over to get it just right, LOL.  (I can understand why people wouldn't find that fun at all...but I'm enjoying it!  It gives me the illusion of power over the situation.  Muahaha.)

This is the same way I play. xD It only stops being fun when I have to replay such a large portion of the game because something got messed up... but even then it's still a little fun because it's Mass Effect.

Sometimes I don't have my Shepards completely planned out either. I try to, but there are some decisions I just don't think of before Shepard gets to it in-game, like Bhatia's wife and the gene therapy baby. I had to play through those dialogues several times and really think about MaleShep's opinions, and I was kind of surprised that he chose the opposite of MainShep both times, but it really made sense for him. Like you said, it's awesome when our Shepards says something that's just so right for them.

All three times, my Shepards let Garrus kill Saleon and used the "remember that feeling" line. That's just their style. Such a vengeful bunch they are.

I agree with what you guys said about Garrus' opinion of Saren's suicide. My poor MainShep's opinion was basically, "That's not what I meant by 'redeem yourself'! D:" MaleShep was the opposite - he could see where that was going, and he respected Saren for it. In the end, he was doing the wrong thing for the right reasons (something MaleShep knows about very well), and when he saw what was happening, he ended it. MaleShep doesn't think much of honor suicide, but he's the type of guy who would go out in a blaze of glory if he knew there was no other way.

Also, I just read an interview that Ragabul posted in Clan V yesterday... ME2 for PS3 is getting all of the DLC included on the disc? If that's true, I'll be able to play all the DLC! I'll get to play Zaeed's revenge mission and see the Saren statue! MainShep still won't get to kill batarians in Bring Down The Sky though (unless it really is included in the newer versions of ME1).

If Shepard could have prevented Garrus from getting scarred, of course I would always take that option. I wouldn't want my favorite characters to get hurt, no matter how awesome stopping a rocket with his face is.

[kglaser]

Retroactively, I'm torn on the scarring thing. Of course, watching him get hit with the rocket made me feel like I was getting punched in the stomach; I can't say I'd ever wish that on him. OTOH, his scars are just such a vitally important part of his character--literally, symbolically, and metaphorically, even in tthe romance scene--I can't imagine him without it. (I bet Ragabul would agree with me to some extent here.)

[Sialater]

I'd try to prevent it, of course. Who wouldn't try to keep their best friend from nearly dying? But... the scars are part of him now and my Shepards accept them as part of him. After all, at that point, they're just as scarred.

[Thundertactics]

Garrus related, I suppose:
Running through Garrus' loyalty mission using 2 Garrus's and 6 Tali's

Modifié par Thundertactics, 21 août 2010 - 07:57 .

[Collider]

Garrus is my main Shepard's bud, so I would of course stop him from getting hurt. And try to get his scars healed if possible/if he wanted it. OOC, the scars do make him look cool, and it is indeed symbolic as was said in this thread. The scars are a reminder of what happened on Omega. It wasn't only his team that got hurt.

[Kim Shepard]

Thundertactics wrote...

Garrus related, I suppose:
Running through Garrus' loyalty mission using 2 Garrus's and 6 Tali's

That is the most awesome battle scene ever. Look at all the combat drones... and then Shepard took out a flamethrower.

[Sialater]

And then... there's another thread that won't end well. *sigh*

[Collider]

Sialater wrote...
And then... there's another thread that won't end well. *sigh*

Yea - exactly. People should just post their (non-trolling) criticisms in the respective character thread. That's what I did for Jack, and it didn't start a trollfest. Had I made a new thread for it though, I'm sure it would be another thread that wouldn't end well.

[Sialater]

I see the trolls have targeted Garrus now, though. It's only a matter of time, Collider, till they DO come here. Or maybe they'll head for the VS threads next.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Trolls did come here once. We ignored/reported them, they left. Easy as that.

[Eradyn]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Trolls did come here once. We ignored/reported them, they left. Easy as that.

This.  Defuse the situation, ignore & report, but never, ever feed them.  Besides, we're an easy-going bunch, right? 

T3hMerc wrote...

If you could prevent Vakarian from being scarred, would you? I know I would.

If I could have directed my Shepard to tear apart that gunship's engine, I would have.  If I could have loaded it with explosives and then remote detonated it, I would have.  Unfortunately, in-game Shepard didn't think that far.  Now poor Garrus will have to suffer the consequences of it.

I certainly didn't want him to get hurt, but of course he did get hurt.  I think the scars add a certain dimension to his character, bringout his internal scars to the external and serve as a reminder of what he's been through.  That said, if I had the option of healing them in ME3, I would.  Why? Because this is the 22nd century and, unless he doesn't want to heal them, they should be healed.  Scars like that tend to be very painful, and not just in the physical sense.

But I'm also fine with them never being healed.  As I said, I think it adds a very interesting dimension to his character.

Modifié par Eradyn, 21 août 2010 - 09:07 .

[Eradyn]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I always imagine that Garrus is just too proud/stubborn/not wanting to to burden anybody to worry anyone over the scars. I mean the guy didn't even ask for a decent set of armor. I like to roleplay with that alternate appearance pack that Shep sees his busted up armor, knows he won't ask for more, and thinks "we can't have that, you silly ass" so she just buys another set without ever asking him and leaves it in the battery or something where he can't argue with her about it. I know it's a silly idea, but it's fun to imagine.

Ha! I see it the same way, too.  Garrus doesn't strike me as the sort to gripe about scars, certainly not when the fate of galactic life is at stake.

[Collider]

It fits, I think, Raga. Garrus & Tali didn't want to burden the squad with any of their problems - besides Grunt they are the only ones who don't go through Kelly to ask for Shepard's help. Kelly just says that they are feeling restless. So I imagine Garrus wouldn't ask to have his scars removed. I wonder if he would accept it if Shepard asked though.

[Collider]

Eradyn wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I always imagine that Garrus is just too proud/stubborn/not wanting to to burden anybody to worry anyone over the scars. I mean the guy didn't even ask for a decent set of armor. I like to roleplay with that alternate appearance pack that Shep sees his busted up armor, knows he won't ask for more, and thinks "we can't have that, you silly ass" so she just buys another set without ever asking him and leaves it in the battery or something where he can't argue with her about it. I know it's a silly idea, but it's fun to imagine.

Ha! I see it the same way, too.  Garrus doesn't strike me as the sort to gripe about scars, certainly not when the fate of galactic life is at stake.

He's probably more upset that Sidonis/the events on Omega had left a mark on him, rather than the actual scars themselves.

[Pacifien]

Sialater wrote...
I see the trolls have targeted Garrus now, though. It's only a matter of time, Collider, till they DO come here. Or maybe they'll head for the VS threads next.

Uh, what's everyone's definition of trolling? Maybe I am way too old school with my own definition.

Why would someone come to the Garrus thread for something that is borderline on the support for the character, anyway? Everyone here defends Garrus. You are fans of the character. If someone who wasn't a fan of the character wanted to discuss something they found lacking, entering a thread where you know the opinion will be thought of poorly doesn't strike me as a very tempting thing to do.

It's one of the problems with an free-for-all thread about anything and everything for one character. You're not likely to find those who are only mildly interested in the character, don't like the character, or like other characters far more. The viewpoints found in a character support thread might diverge, but the participants are assured one thing: they all love the character. It's one-sided.

But seriously, what's your definition for trolling?