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Calibrations: Garrus Love and Turian Discussion
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Posté 22 août 2010 - 08:51
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I can't remember, but I don't think they yell at you. They do shoot you in the butt a lot though if you are standing in a narrow space.
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Posté 22 août 2010 - 09:17
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Hello guys. Didn't know there was a Garrus fan thread! I'm a huge fan of Garrus, have been since ME1. I find Garrus intruiging as I love the way you shape his personality and behaviour in ME1 and that comes back to us in ME2. Garrus for ME3! BTW, love the pic above, really captures Garrus' good side.
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Posté 22 août 2010 - 09:26
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Welcome. General Ashous. I am really looking forward to how all that pushing of Garrus in one direction or the other works out in ME3. He's one of the few characters that I have a hard time making any kind of sensible predictions for. There are just so many directions they can go in and there is so much potential variability. Hopefully that means I will get an awesome surprise of some kind.
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Posté 22 août 2010 - 09:36
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Thank you for such a warm welcome. I very much agree, I too can never predict what will happen with Garrus, he's so unpredictable and I think that is one of the things I love about him. I love the surprises that come with his character and look forward to seeing what happens with him in ME3 due to my choices of what to teach him.
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Posté 22 août 2010 - 09:40
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For me I expect that Garrus will start to take things into his own hands more in ME3. That seems to be what his character arc is. That's what we speculated in Clan Z (we talk a lot about Garrus).
I have a question though. Do we want to be able to steer Garrus paragon or renegade again in ME3? Or should ME1/ME2 be the end of that?
I have a question though. Do we want to be able to steer Garrus paragon or renegade again in ME3? Or should ME1/ME2 be the end of that?
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#9406
Posté 22 août 2010 - 09:54
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Since ME3 is the part of the story where all the choices you've made come together and pay off, I really hope that Garrus will be able to make decisions on his own.
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Posté 22 août 2010 - 10:00
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I think we should get the option to offer advice perhaps, but I think the game should draw on more than just what we did in ME3. I think it should also consider what you did with him in ME1 and ME2. I think there could be some kind of situation involving his father. That's one of the last known untapped grey areas for Garrus. It's either that or Bioware will have to invent something or else reveal something about Garrus we don't know yet. I can't STAND Anomen, but I could see some minor parallels with his confrontation with his father in BG2 and what might happen with Garrus. It's really variable depending on what the player does. If you give that guy inconsistent advice he calls you out on it when you have to deal with his father. Now Garrus would never be the whiny ass that Anomen is, but I can see him getting confused or else saying that Shepard's advice is all over the place and then making up his own mind. He already showed some signs of balking from paragon Shep in ME2. "I appreciate your concern, but I'm not you." Granted he backed down anyway, but he never said anything that strong as a rebuttal to paragon Shep in ME1. And he expresses some reservations about not shooting Sidonis. But of course, a lot of this is dependent upon Shepard giving inconsistent advice which not all Sheps will do. That's why I say I can't make an all around prediction. I can only make predictions for specific scenarios, but I can't think of a prediction that comes close to covering all possible variables. All I can say is that, yes, I expect Garrus will be more independent. I expect there will be some ultimate consequence of all the mentoring. And I expect he will have a highly variable resolution depending upon different factors.
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Posté 22 août 2010 - 10:10
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I think that Garrus does need to be more independent but I think that the choices and the influence you've been on him affect his turn out. I think if you were paragon (as I was) he should be very paeagon but still retain a certain renegade streak for when he's angry.I agree we should be able to still advise him but not mentor him.
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Posté 22 août 2010 - 10:59
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Paragon Shepard says they do the mission right, not fast. He/she will shoot down that slaver ship, but only if there's no other option. Maybe they get away, and more people are harmed from the slaver ship than would have been harmed in the crash. That's what Garrus has issues with, he would rather know the death count, than be forced to imagine the consequences of his actions. Maybe the slavers are caught quickly and nobody was hurt, maybe they get away and 4x as many people die. Garrus won't take that chance. Paragon Shepard thinks about everything first, and may or not be right. Same goes for renegade. That's why I play all over the place. There's a time and place for each action. I'm renegade by agreeing with Garrus leaving C-Sec, and paragon when dealing with Dr. Saleon and Sidonis (at least I do now, hearing his talk after Sidonis's confession made me HNGG). I'm glad he's not bent on your every word, he's a true bro.
Anyways, Garrus support ova here.
We be ridin.
Anyways, Garrus support ova here.
We be ridin.
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Posté 23 août 2010 - 01:43
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Just wanted to say: I just took Garrus and Tali to the ME1 "Charles Saracino" conversation (He's the Terra Firma guy), and Garrus started talking! Before I had him and Wrex, and Wrex always did the talking. Garrus was pretty sensible and didn't start a fight. Good for him!
Sure wish I could capture a video and put it on YouTube just for Garrus-fan reference...
Sure wish I could capture a video and put it on YouTube just for Garrus-fan reference...
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Posté 23 août 2010 - 01:44
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I liked Wrex's dialouge better there since he really does get Saracino's goat.
Tali and Liara dont do se well, but Garrus does a good job, must be his csec experience.
Tali and Liara dont do se well, but Garrus does a good job, must be his csec experience.
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Posté 23 août 2010 - 01:46
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JulianP wrote...
Just wanted to say: I just took Garrus and Tali to the ME1 "Charles Saracino" conversation (He's the Terra Firma guy), and Garrus started talking! Before I had him and Wrex, and Wrex always did the talking. Garrus was pretty sensible and didn't start a fight. Good for him!
Sure wish I could capture a video and put it on YouTube just for Garrus-fan reference...
He says something? I always have him with me there and I have never heard him talk. What dialog options did you pick? I would like to set that up and see it as well. Mentioning new Garrus dialog here is like throwing chum into shark infested waters.
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Posté 23 août 2010 - 01:54
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Garrus largely has the same dialog in that instance as Kaidan.
Tali has no dialog there, so take her if you want to hear any of the other squadmates speak.
Tali has no dialog there, so take her if you want to hear any of the other squadmates speak.
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Posté 23 août 2010 - 01:58
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I did have Tali with me, but I didn't take any investigate options there because I just wanted to brush that douchebag off. That must be the problem. Next time I will have to ask more questions.
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Posté 23 août 2010 - 02:18
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Here's the good stuff, sharks! Let the feeding frenzy commence!
Will someone who's got the PC version please make a video of this?
Saracino: Commander Shepard. It's an honor to speak with you.
Shepard: (What do you you want?) You obviously wanted to speak to me.
Saracino: ... can I count on your support in the next election?
Shepard: (Investigate: Armistice day) You're marking the end of the First Contact War with a protest?
Saracino: ...The war taught humanity a lesson that some would forget: If we don't stand up for ourselves, no one else will.
----------------------------- Paragon-bias option
Shepard: (Then you've learned nothing) I thought the lesson of the First Contact War was that there's other life in the galaxy, and they have opinions too.
Saracino: Perhaps so, Commander, but if aliens feel free to express their "opinions" at gunpoint, why shouldn't we?
Garrus: What happened at the mass relay was a misunderstanding. If you saw a child about to touch a gun, wouldn't you stop them?
Saracino: I'd pull them away, yes. I wouldn't shoot them dead.
------------------------------Renegade-bias option
Shepard: (You're useless) Every day I stand up for humanity - often in the face of bullets. What have you done lately? You really think speeches help?
Saracino: We all serve in our own way, Commander. I'm not a soldier. But I can tell the public why they should support your efforts.
Garrus: Among my people, everyone's a soldier. Even the infirm volunteer to serve behind the front lines.
Saracino: I -- I assure you, I'm only interested in the betterment of humanity. The same as you, Commander.
[There is no Garrus dialogue for Investigate: Election.]
Shepard: (Investigate: Terra Firma): I don't know Terra Firma's platform. What do you stand for?
Saracino: Our core value is that Earth must "stand firm" against alien influences: Politically, culturally, and - in the worst case - militarily.
Garrus: But many of your subordinates make this a point of race, not politics.
Saracino: Excuse me, I don't believe human politics are any of your [points at Garrus] business.
Garrus: Turian space borders yours. Of course we're concerned about your leadership.
--------------------------Paragon-bias option: - no Garrus here, but Saracino does back down a bit
Shepard: (There's a bigger picture): We live in this galaxy, Mr. Saracino. We can't pretend that what we do affects no one else.
Saracino: No, of course not. My apologies. I only meant to point out that other species have no right to interfere in Alliance politics.
["neutral" option (Stop arguing) has no Garrus)]
-------------------------Renegade-bias option:
Shepard: (Quiet) Stay out of this.
Garrus: Yes, Commander.
There is is! I suppose it's *possible* I missed some option, but these are the ones I found. And to my delight, you can make both "paragon" and "renegade" options in the Investigate stage and hear it all in one conversation. Garrus is quite sensible here and very well behaved even if you tell him to shut up. He also seems to cause Saracino to back down a bit. I do think Saracino has a point about not shooting the kid with the gun dead, but that's why it's a misunderstanding, which makes it all the more interesting that he brings up the cultural differences.
Will someone who's got the PC version please make a video of this?
Saracino: Commander Shepard. It's an honor to speak with you.
Shepard: (What do you you want?) You obviously wanted to speak to me.
Saracino: ... can I count on your support in the next election?
Shepard: (Investigate: Armistice day) You're marking the end of the First Contact War with a protest?
Saracino: ...The war taught humanity a lesson that some would forget: If we don't stand up for ourselves, no one else will.
----------------------------- Paragon-bias option
Shepard: (Then you've learned nothing) I thought the lesson of the First Contact War was that there's other life in the galaxy, and they have opinions too.
Saracino: Perhaps so, Commander, but if aliens feel free to express their "opinions" at gunpoint, why shouldn't we?
Garrus: What happened at the mass relay was a misunderstanding. If you saw a child about to touch a gun, wouldn't you stop them?
Saracino: I'd pull them away, yes. I wouldn't shoot them dead.
------------------------------Renegade-bias option
Shepard: (You're useless) Every day I stand up for humanity - often in the face of bullets. What have you done lately? You really think speeches help?
Saracino: We all serve in our own way, Commander. I'm not a soldier. But I can tell the public why they should support your efforts.
Garrus: Among my people, everyone's a soldier. Even the infirm volunteer to serve behind the front lines.
Saracino: I -- I assure you, I'm only interested in the betterment of humanity. The same as you, Commander.
[There is no Garrus dialogue for Investigate: Election.]
Shepard: (Investigate: Terra Firma): I don't know Terra Firma's platform. What do you stand for?
Saracino: Our core value is that Earth must "stand firm" against alien influences: Politically, culturally, and - in the worst case - militarily.
Garrus: But many of your subordinates make this a point of race, not politics.
Saracino: Excuse me, I don't believe human politics are any of your [points at Garrus] business.
Garrus: Turian space borders yours. Of course we're concerned about your leadership.
--------------------------Paragon-bias option: - no Garrus here, but Saracino does back down a bit
Shepard: (There's a bigger picture): We live in this galaxy, Mr. Saracino. We can't pretend that what we do affects no one else.
Saracino: No, of course not. My apologies. I only meant to point out that other species have no right to interfere in Alliance politics.
["neutral" option (Stop arguing) has no Garrus)]
-------------------------Renegade-bias option:
Shepard: (Quiet) Stay out of this.
Garrus: Yes, Commander.
There is is! I suppose it's *possible* I missed some option, but these are the ones I found. And to my delight, you can make both "paragon" and "renegade" options in the Investigate stage and hear it all in one conversation. Garrus is quite sensible here and very well behaved even if you tell him to shut up. He also seems to cause Saracino to back down a bit. I do think Saracino has a point about not shooting the kid with the gun dead, but that's why it's a misunderstanding, which makes it all the more interesting that he brings up the cultural differences.
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Posté 23 août 2010 - 02:20
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Radahldo wrote...
Garrus largely has the same dialog in that instance as Kaidan.
My first playthrough was largely Garrus and Kaidan... sadly, I can't remember what Kaidan said.
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Posté 23 août 2010 - 02:44
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Thanks a lot, Julian. Here have some astral truffles. I love this picture. It just looks so delicious:
I have never heard this dialog before, but I think I have a save somewhere around that area so I will have to go and check that out. I'd upload video as well but I have absolutely no idea how to do that with an Xbox.
I have never heard this dialog before, but I think I have a save somewhere around that area so I will have to go and check that out. I'd upload video as well but I have absolutely no idea how to do that with an Xbox.
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Posté 23 août 2010 - 02:53
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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
I have never heard this dialog before, but I think I have a save somewhere around that area so I will have to go and check that out. I'd upload video as well but I have absolutely no idea how to do that with an Xbox.
You are right, that is an awesome picture! Mouth instantly watering. Thanks!
I enjoy playing on the Xbox more, but I really miss being able to tweak things like I used to on PC. I'm one of those "can't cheat, can't play" types who enjoys some minor cheats to speed up the early stages of a replay (money, equipment), and I like being able to test out choices that I wouldn't enjoy being committed to. I've got a wonderful computer, but it's a business type machine with no discrete graphics card. Nevewinter Nights 2 is about the upper limit of its capabilities. Why is there not an affordable external graphics card yet??? Microsoft really needs to make the Xbox more tweakable! As it is, you have to unscrew a bunch of stuff to even access the darn save files.
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Posté 23 août 2010 - 03:01
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Yes, the inability to delete those profiles that are buried deep in the depths of my Xbox harddrive and now clutter up my import screen in ME2 are a pet peeve of mine. I hate those things, and it's compounded by the fact that I move a lot and move the Xbox around a lot so I am all the time unplugging it and forgetting to reset the clock. Consequently I have more than a dozen profiles that think they were made at some date in 2005. It's a huge mess. I miss tweaking things as well as modding. However, I am mostly glad I made the platform jump to consoles. Less compatibility problems, no installation required, don't have to upgrade my machine all the time and no anti-piracy software. So far, so good.
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Posté 23 août 2010 - 03:38
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So I had a thought. If Garrus gets to be a more independent type of character in ME3, would you want to be able to do a mission as Garrus like we did as Joker in ME2? If there ever was such a thing I so want to be able to see what's scrolling over his visor!
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Posté 23 août 2010 - 04:01
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Hazzel42 wrote...
So I had a thought. If Garrus gets to be a more independent type of character in ME3, would you want to be able to do a mission as Garrus like we did as Joker in ME2? If there ever was such a thing I so want to be able to see what's scrolling over his visor!
Eh. I personally wouldn't. I love Garrus as much as the next guy, but I think Bioware used up their one time shot with Joker, I don't think it would work as well with any other character.
Edit: I thought I should throw this in for good measure.
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Posté 23 août 2010 - 04:48
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I'd prefer a pre-ME2 DLC of his Omega adventures,Hazzel42 wrote...
So I had a thought. If Garrus gets to be a more independent type of character in ME3, would you want to be able to do a mission as Garrus like we did as Joker in ME2? If there ever was such a thing I so want to be able to see what's scrolling over his visor!
@xlavaina: This is -way- off-topic, but... Yay, Hugh Laurie! He should be TIM. Or Zaeed.
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Posté 23 août 2010 - 04:51
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Aris Ravenstar wrote...
I'd prefer a pre-ME2 DLC of his Omega adventures,
I don't know - I think that could be a bit depressing. A bit like watching the movie Titanic when you know it's just not going to end well. Maybe it's just me, but I'm a sucker for happy endings.
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Posté 23 août 2010 - 04:56
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Yea, I'm not a big fan of the Omega DLC idea because we know the ending and because I am more interested in seeing where Garrus is going next than where he has already been if that makes sense. And I'm really not much for the idea of playing anybody but Shep in ME. My favorite thing about Garrus is his relationship with Shep so if she was not there...don't get me wrong I love Garrus and I want to learn more about the guy, but I especially want to see how his relationship with Shep evolves.
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Posté 23 août 2010 - 04:58
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Well, there's a happy ending at least for Garrus? <3Hazzel42 wrote...
Aris Ravenstar wrote...
I'd prefer a pre-ME2 DLC of his Omega adventures,
I don't know - I think that could be a bit depressing. A bit like watching the movie Titanic when you know it's just not going to end well. Maybe it's just me, but I'm a sucker for happy endings.
I know we know how it ends.. I want to see how it begins. I want to see him kicking butt and taking names. I want to see him win a little before everything goes to heck.
