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[Hazzel42]

You know I could see a comic or a couple of comics cover the Omega time. They would tie in with the ones that already exist of Aria since it's in the same time frame.



I guess the idea of playing as Garrus would kind of defeat trying to get into his headspace more and seeing where things go with Shepard. Was just an end of the day brain fart that sounded cool to me at the time :-)

[ThatDancingTurian]

Y'know, if we -did- get an Archangel DLC, I think it would be better if we could play as a human member of his team. It would give us more freedom with response choices and we would get insight into Garrus without controlling him.



A comic would be nice, too. I just want to see it, even if it doesn't end well, I want to know more about that time in his life without backtracking and revisiting it in ME3.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

I think reading or playing garrus on Omega would be depressing.

[Hazzel42]

Somehow a comic of Garrus's escapes before the Sidonus incident would be interesting. Playing as a member of his team - depressing. You already know you're it's not going to end well.



Perhaps some DLC with dialogue where Garrus tells you about Omega?? No more "Sorry I'm calibrating", now comes with new improved war stories to entertain you between missions :-P

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

They should make crew dialouge packs. Each pack would add about 3 squad convo's for each squad member.

[Hazzel42]

I'd love to hear more from the crew - DLC conversations would be a good way to fill in for those of us who need more but wouldn't have to contain anything crucial to the flow of the game. I swear Kasami and Zaeed have more to say in between! And yes I'd be happy with snippets like theirs from the rest of the crew as bonuses. Guess it would be too pricey to get pay for all the voice acting as well as the script writing.

[Aricle]

Hyrule_Gal wrote... Rest assured, everyone is alive on my canon save, nobody puts baby in the corner!...or something like that .

Hahaha! D'you think Garrus and femShep could pull off a 'Dirty Dancing' style dance like the one at the end of the movie? I'd like to see Garrus catch her as she leaps off the stage... like in the sought-after suicide mission leap catch.

Garrus looks like he's grinning here. Virmire is great for Garrus pictures although it's a tough mission emotionally.

For Kim:

About ME3: I think Garrus will do some independent decision-making and that it will reflect Shepard's mentoring. I want to see this because it will both build on their relationship and show us more about him. I would think his dad would be part of it, and I want to see this either discussed or directly explored. A visit to Palaven wouldn't be amiss in this context. (fingers crossed).

@blazen glazen: dialogue dlc would be great.

[Kim Shepard]

I've been wondering what Garrus says to Saracino. I usually have Wrex on the team, but it's good to know that it works with Tali. (Although, MaleShep would like to hear the Tali quote if possible.)

I think a comic about Garrus' time on Omega would work much better than DLC, and I'm not just saying that because I don't download anything. First of all, it's Shepard's story, so playing as anyone else would seem strange. Second, everything in Mass Effect seems to go in order, and Garrus' time on Omega would have passed by the time ME2 starts. But on the off-chance something like this is created, take screenshots and make videos.

@Aricle: Saren screenshot! Is that a grin on his face? It's hard to tell with turians, but... he really looks like he's grinning down at Shepard right there.

[lovgreno]

^ If Saren could grin he would certanly do that to Shepard. Garrus too, for other reasons.

Modifié par lovgreno, 23 août 2010 - 08:24 .

[Kim Shepard]

lovgreno wrote...

^ If Saren could grin he would certanly do that to Shepard. Garrus too, for other reasons.

...For some reason, this confuses me. xD Should MainShep be happy, or jealous of Garrus?

Saren: Well, if Fail For The Lost becomes canon... then both.

[Nilfalasiel]

Lots and lots to catch up on here. This is what I get for spending the weekend in London.

So this was a few pages back, but I'm happy that someone who has issues with Garrus is willing to participate in a discussion. Trolls are not pretty; we used to get a lot of them in the Zev thread, and while ignoring them makes them go away, it's still upsetting when they do show up.

jtav wrote...

-- Nothing that happened in ME mattered. I normally play Paragon and do my best to show him that policies and procedures matter. I tell him to arrest Saleon. So finding out that he's still indulging his vigilante streak feels like a slap in the face. He's still prone to being consumed by feelings of vengeance. While it's perhaps realistic that he would backslide, it leaves me feeling like I shouldn't have bothered.

I think Shep's death and all its attendant consequences is what felt like a slap in the face to Garrus. He was willing to give C-Sec/the Council another shot until he realized how they were treating Shepard. I think it's actually extremely consistent with his personality that he reacted like he did: he respects and values Shepard so much that he just couldn't take the whitewashing that happened over the Reapers. As for vengeance...well, you really gotta put yourself in his shoes. A person he trusted got his ENTIRE squad killed. That's ten people. And he had no way of knowing that Sidonis got coerced into it. So it seems like a flat-out betrayal to him, and one he thinks he should've seen coming. Ie. he's extremely emotional about the situation, and while I certainly stop him from shooting Sidonis, I completely understand why he felt the way he did, and it makes him that much more believable in my eyes. Wouldn't you feel at least a little bit vengeful in a situation like that? Garrus is awesome, but thinking with his heart rather than his head is kind of what defines him.

I don't think he was indulging anything on Omega. It feels more like something he needed to do, rather than something that he got a massive kick from. He was tired of the "let's not do anything and wait things out" stance the Council had, especially since he's an impulsive person. Also, it's Omega: being a vigilante was the only way to get anything done there.

What bothered me most about Garrus in ME1 was his disregard for collateral damage, but that actually got fixed in ME2. ME1 Garrus would have blown up a spaceship above the Citadel and not cared about civilian casualties. ME2 Garrus says he was extra careful not to kill any civilians while on Omega. Not only does that tell me that he learned from Shepard (if you Paragoned him), but he even says this if you Renegade him. So, depending on how you played it in ME1, he either learns from Shepard (and to me, that's the most important lesson he could've learned), and it sticks, or he evolves to form this opinion *on his own*. That's possibly even more rewarding, IMO.

--He's presented as the eternal sidekick. He'll always do better with Shepard than on his own. His crusade as Archangel, while admirable, seems to have accomplished very little until Shepard showed up. If he had been shown making more of a difference on Omega before I showed up, I think I would've liked it much more.

The thing is, he'd only been on Omega for a couple of months. Aria says as much when you question her about him. For ONE guy to get nicknamed "Archangel" by the people he helped, and to get the three biggest merc bands in the galaxy to forget their rivalries and team up to take him out, I think he's made one HELL of a difference. Omega has no law enforcement and no government: it's no mean feat to get noticed like he did in a few months. In fact, if he had made more of a difference, I would've liked it less, because it would've been completely unrealistic. Not even Shepard could clean up Omega in a couple of months. I don't think anybody could.

So I'm actually extremely impressed by what he managed. He became his own person, that's for sure, and that's actually why I like that he's romanceable in ME2 rather than in ME1. In ME1, he was too much like a student/subordinate/sidekick. In ME2, he's a lot more like an equal and a friend.

--He has very little dialogue in the second game and I don't feel like he got nearly enough character development. Off the top of my head, they could have expanded on his feelings that he's not a very good turian. As it stands, it feels like the developers feel like some very funny lines and the fact that he was in the first game should be enough. It's not for me.

Well, I don't think anybody here is going to argue with you. More dialogue was very sorely needed for Garrus. But I do think that it's a fault of ME2 in general: with so many characters, you are going to have some limits as to how much you can expand on them, and new characters are going to have the priority in that department. It doesn't lessen Garrus' character in my eyes. It does, however, make me a little grumpy at the developers.

-- I have no real issue with his romance. It's not really my thing because they feel so awkward in places but the romance scene is very good. I like that he's willing to try to work so hard at making this work.

The awkwardness is part of what defines the romance in my eyes. Garrus is an extremely private person, and he's just gone through a harrowing emotional experience. For him to open up and be vulnerable with someone he values so much and is probably scared of losing (again) adds cartloads of depth to the whole thing.

On a completely different topic: can turians swim? Err...good question. It might require more effort (that collar is *really* not hydrodynamic), but I think they probably could. It's not likely they'd ever be as fast in water as humans (or any other hydrodynamic species), but as has been mentioned, there are completely unlikely animals that do swim (eg. elephants), so I wouldn't be surprised if turians could too.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 23 août 2010 - 11:38 .

[IndigoWolfe]

Quick,  someone has gone into labor at the classic sci-fi moment of inopportunity! Is Garrus the emergency midwife? Poll

[Sialater]

I really don't think Garrus would be a good midwife.

[General Ashous]

No, he's more the concerned father who paces up and down the hall. That or he's out at work gunning down criminals and recieves a call telling him they're giving birth whislt he pulls off an impossible headshot.

[TMA LIVE]

A little something from Retribution:



"Their bodies will be returned to Palaven, and their spirits commended to that of legion."



They also have different flags. One of the emblem of the Turian Hierarchy. One for colony they were born on (which matches the marking on their face). And one for legion, which is their military. Does that mean their military and religion are the same thing?

[Sialater]

I don't think so. I think rather their spirit would be commended to the spirit OF their legion.

[General Ashous]

I don't think so, I think they believe in their service to their legion but not an actual belief in their legion, per say.

[Sialater]

None of us can manage to not recruit him, Brody. Fortunately, a friend of mine had done that, "for science," and told us the differences.

[T3hMerc]

Let's Autotune turians!

[Collider]

What does Shepard say if Shepard refuses to recruit Garrus? I know that with Wrex, Shepard has to be racist not to recruit him.

[Eradyn]

I haven't gotten to Retribution yet. D8



*Hides herself in a bunker, away from civilization, until she finishes.*

[Alexine]

I'm waiting until my allowance money comes through next month to get Retribution.. D:

But I don't mind spoilers. I know from the Clan V discussion, there are female turians.

[Sialater]

Spoil away. I doubt I'll be buying the books.