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[IndigoWolfe]

Yes! Female turians! Female turians with scars!

[Kim Shepard]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

 I happened to have a savegame right before that.  Shep says "I don't want you on this mission" and he says "I'll be here if you change your mind" in a sorta disappointed way.  There's also a mean response of "I don't need a turian shooting me in the back" to which he says "All turians are not the same.  I'm not like Saren."  After then if you talk to him again he says "Commander Shepard, have you reconsidered?  Do you want me to come with you?" and the conversation is the same as before.

And still he says he'll be there if Shepard needs him. D: That's so sad. I've turned down squadmates before (in Dragon Age, not Mass Effect), but I wouldn't make any of my Shepards leave him behind. It just wouldn't be the same without my favorite squadmate along.

...Just out of curiosity, is Garrus really waiting if Shepard comes back later? Because that would be awesome.

Also, that snippet about spirits is kinda interesting to me because it means that turians do believe in individual spirits as well as "group" spirits.  And it seems like there might be some kind of formal ceremony in which a single spirit is added or "commended" to a group spirit of a turian's legion.  It's pretty interesting.  What would you call that?  Miniature pantheism mixed with some Buddhism?  But Buddhist (so far as I can tell) don't believe in a literal "spirit" at least not by the Judeo-Christian definition of the term anyway.  

Also if a turian was part of multiple groups, which group is his spirit "commended" to upon his death?  The group he was in when he died?  So Garrus for instance if he died on the SM.  Would a turian consider his spirit to become part of the Normandy team's spirt, part of his old legion's spirit, or both?

I never would have realized that they have individual spirits too unless you pointed that out. Interesting.

Yeah, I think it would become part of the Normandy's/Shepard's team's spirit if he died. That's where Garrus' spirit always wanted to be when he was alive. (And that's how Garrus will always be in my games - alive. He's one of the squadmates who will never get killed off in my playthroughs.)

Are we at a stage where we can openly discuss Retribution spoilers now?  I still need to dig up the book thread in Clan V, but I am so late to the party I figured anything worth saying has probably already been said by somebody else.

I'm not sure... I've read the book, and I even have another favorite character added to the list now. He wouldn't be very popular in this thread though. xD

[Kim Shepard]

The little details like that make the game even more awesome. Garrus actually waiting for Shepard is just adorable. The poor guy just goes and stands there every day hoping Shepard will come back... which makes it more sad if Shepard doesn't come back.

You guessed right. xD (Come on, BioWare - Kai Leng for ME3 squadmate! I know I probably won't be getting Saren.)

[Giggles_Manically]

I am more voting for Kai Leng as target practice, and Anderson for squaddie.

[Kim Shepard]

I think both would be great - Anderson for the Shepards who quit Cerberus, and Kai Leng for the Shepards who stayed with Cerberus. But I already said this in another thread.

[Kim Shepard]

I want a female turian squadmate too. If she's a romance option, then that's an added bonus for Shepard #4. But if I had to choose just one, and it couldn't be Saren... it would be Kai. Choosing just one new squadmate for all and no others even in other playthroughs will probably never happen though. I'm guessing we'll get about three new.

[Giggles_Manically]

A Shepard and Female Turian romance would make me think of that scene from Pirahanas 3D.

[Kim Shepard]

Shepard #4 is tough enough to handle it. He's faced death so many times (Colonist/Sole Survivor), dextro romance won't scare him off.

[Giggles_Manically]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Shepard #4 is tough enough to handle it. He's faced death so many times (Colonist/Sole Survivor), dextro romance won't scare him off.

Thats not even close to why I find it scary.
Watch the film and see why.

[Timerider42]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I am more voting for Kai Leng as target practice, and Anderson for squaddie.

I agree with Kai Leng as target practice.
I think Anderson should just be on the Normandy again. Like an advisor.

Modifié par Timerider42, 24 août 2010 - 01:40 .

[Kim Shepard]

Horror movies do not interest me, neither does 3D. It doesn't matter though. My Shepards' opinions are the only ones that matter in their playthroughs.

I probably like more "Renegade" characters than anyone in the Garrus thread. xD Interesting, since Garrus tends to be Renegade. I guess it's because being a "compassionate Renegade" makes him more of a Renegon, maybe even Paragade.

[Alexine]

Kim Shepard wrote...

I think both would be great - Anderson for the Shepards who quit Cerberus, and Kai Leng for the Shepards who stayed with Cerberus. But I already said this in another thread.

That idea would be really interesting. It made me wonder if they would do that for ME3 with ME2 squad, because there is far too many squaddie choices.

But if they go that way, Garrus would need to be recruited no matter what consequence (unless he was killed off in your SM)

[Kim Shepard]

@Ragabul: Awesome. MainShep will keep the trophy in her room. And then if Saren gets resurrected, he'll wonder why the humans were having a contest. xD

Yeah, I don't like the turian hate... but I like his hate for other aliens, so it would seem weird if there was only one alien species he didn't hate, and it makes sense because of the First Contact War. That kid who called Kai a badass was so right. I wonder how MainShep would manage to have him and Saren both on the Normandy at the same time. She and Kai would talk about being disgusted by asari flirting. Then she would flirt with Saren and Kai would get disgusted. Then they can all talk about batarian hate together and bond over that.

A turian who hates turians... interesting. I have a Shepard who hates most humans, so that could work.

@Alexine: I've always liked the idea of Shepard choosing who will be on the team, probably because there are a few squadmates that I want Shepard to tell "no, you can't come." Maybe there could even be options to leave them behind because they can do a lot of good elsewhere (like Wrex with the krogan), or take them along because Shepard thinks they'll be able to help more with him/her. Certain squadmates staying/joining/leaving Shepard based on decisions would be good too, like Kai Leng and Anderson only joining based on Shepard's alliance.

I think Garrus will always stand by Shepard. He trusts Shepard, enough that he doesn't care about working with Cerberus. Garrus shouldn't have to be recruited - he should still be on the team.

[T3hMerc]

Garrus is a pretty cool guy.

[Collider]

Eh kills criminals and doesn't afraid of anything

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Mass effect pretty cool guy. Eh, kills reapers and doesn't afraid of anything.

[Aricle]

Kim Shepard wrote... I've been wondering what Garrus says to Saracino.......

@Aricle: Saren screenshot! Is that a grin on his face? It's hard to tell with turians, but... he really looks like he's grinning down at Shepard right there.

Kim: This is the pic I was going to post for you originally and since you mentioned a grin, here it is. This may not be an actual grin but it sure feels like being on the receiving end of one, an evil one. A lot of it is in his eyes. Saren's mouth structure is odd with all of those teeth showing on both sides. Also, his body, with the tubing on his suit (or is it going into his body- has he been modified that much?), which reminds me of the husks and/or geth.


As far as the Charles Saracino conversation, Shepard met up with Mr. Saracino last night as it happens and I made a vid. I'll post a link when it's uploaded. Garrus does have a lot to say. I'm glad I learned that he had a lot to say, who to bring with him to have him talk and remembered to do it, to get that result. There are so many little notes to self about different things to look for in these games floating around here!

Modifié par Aricle, 24 août 2010 - 03:08 .

[Alexine]

I actually kind of wished that ME2 had those little tweaks. You know, so it made it feel like our choices made an impact upon the world. It doesn't have to be a different road, but more variation. ME2 felt like they were cutting corners and decided to assume that people would go X path or making the paths similar.

Wow for Saren (starting to like Saren now thanks to Kim ). Makes me want to do another ME1 playthrough (but I'm going to start my divinity 2 playthrough right now )

Modifié par Alexine, 24 août 2010 - 03:17 .

[Kim Shepard]

More Saren! That's good, I got to see two screenshots instead of one. In the first screenshot, he has this look on his face that I've never seen before, probably because I play on the Xbox and can't take screenshots to analyze his expressions that well. The way those plates above his eyes are positioned, it looks like he's raising an eyebrow - the right one is tilted down and the left one is tilted up. It's adorable. In the second screenshot, that's definitely his evil villain "I've caught Shepard" triumphant grin, with the narrowed eyes and everything. Nice close-up.

He does always look like he's grinning because of the faceplates around his mouth. I've been wondering if he was born with them like that, or if the lack of faceplates around his teeth were the result from some sort of accident. He has implants on both mandibles that are still there on the cover of Revelation, so they aren't Sovereign implants. It's sad to think that they might be working like Garrus' new implants, holding his face together, because I think they look cool. His eyes were like that before Sovereign too, different from other turians.

Awesome, my posts are convincing more people to like Saren... like Sarendoctrination. The more people read pro-Saren stuff, they start to like him. xD

[Cerrydd]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Awesome, my posts are convincing more people to like Saren... like Sarendoctrination. The more people read pro-Saren stuff, they start to like him. xD

Ha, you'll never convert me into a believer. I will be anti-Saren until my death!

And since I'm still young, I will hate him for many years to come.

[Pacifien]

I've always liked Saren. Not in a best friends forever sort of way, more in that I find him an intriguing and tragic figure. The persuasion on your last confrontation with him was well played. For the really renegade Shepards out there, there really isn't much differentiating from Saren other than the fact that Saren found Sovereign first.