The latter. Definitely the latter.
Calibrations: Garrus Love and Turian Discussion
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Posté 27 août 2010 - 04:37
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Xsause, your never ending stream of salarian avatars amazes/baffles/makes me laugh. Shapeshifting evil salarian genius. Ha, and Liara did not seem so adverse to that idea in ME1. That would be a really funny thing to have happen, certainly not what many people expect!
And yes, the lack of Garrus dialog cannot be complained about enough. On so many levels. It irks the tar out of me. I am fixing to start a Liara/Garrus for science playthrough I hope to have ready by the time LotSB comes out. I'm killing two birds with one stone and this will also be my "paragons Garrus all the way Shep." I designed a character with that in mind after Nilf gave me some advice on how to roleplay her, but she has been sitting around just post Eden Prime for days now. I need to go rescue her from character limbo. Also, she will be my first ever bisexual character so that will be interesting.
And yes, the lack of Garrus dialog cannot be complained about enough. On so many levels. It irks the tar out of me. I am fixing to start a Liara/Garrus for science playthrough I hope to have ready by the time LotSB comes out. I'm killing two birds with one stone and this will also be my "paragons Garrus all the way Shep." I designed a character with that in mind after Nilf gave me some advice on how to roleplay her, but she has been sitting around just post Eden Prime for days now. I need to go rescue her from character limbo. Also, she will be my first ever bisexual character so that will be interesting.
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Posté 27 août 2010 - 04:41
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I didn't even remember that my imported Femshep romanced Liara until she started smooching my face all up. LOL
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Posté 27 août 2010 - 04:51
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That kinda happened with my Tali dudeshep, but I was too lazy to go back and fix it. That's what I meant earlier when I said I botched his playthrough. He was supposed to be my Tali only Shep. I have like 473.2 variables I want to try out, but even I have my obsessive limits. I think with one more run with this new paragon femshep and then another to fix dudeshep, I will finally have everything in order. But still, combined that is still 120 hours worth of gaming. *sigh*
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Posté 27 août 2010 - 04:57
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kglaser wrote...
Morlan does have some pretty sweet non-human armors. I think that's where I got Garrus's Silverback armor that he was wearing before we went to Virmire.
Yeah, he's the one who sells Colossus stuff. And Battlemaster/Berserker too. Yet another reason why I like him
That being said, that new take on zombie Garrus is awesome.
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But still, combined that is still 120 hours worth of gaming. *sigh*
Yeah, that's about the time one full playthrough (including all side stuff) of FFXII takes
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Posté 27 août 2010 - 05:12
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Really? Never played Final Fantasy and I never clocked my hours on Oblivion before. But I never do everything in one Oblivion run. Only the stuff that makes sense for my specific character so I don't do say Knights of the Nine and the Dark Brotherhood in the same run as I just don't see how that makes any sense at all. And I don't do a lot of running around killing random stuff in caves or whatnot. So if I had to guess I would say my Oblivion runs without Shivering Isles are around 60-90 hours. And I still say that 10 hours of driving the Mako feels like 30 hours in any other game. It's horrid.
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Posté 27 août 2010 - 05:16
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I like the Mako.
/runs and hides behind Garrus
/runs and hides behind Garrus
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Posté 27 août 2010 - 05:22
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I like the Mako too when I have context. It's all about context. On Noveria or Therum, I like it because I have a goal and a reason to be driving around. The thing I hate are the impenetrable mountain ranges and the getting stuck and falling and junk as I try to get close to that ? on the map. And then when I get to the ? on the map, it is invariably another pre-fab full of mercs and some dead guy and/or a bunch of people turned into husks. That's why I don't go around killing random stuff in caves in Oblivion either. I have to have a reason to do something. Otherwise I get really bored, really quick. I also just don't like long, monotonous stretches of the same activity. I like for it to be broken up by things.
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Posté 27 août 2010 - 05:36
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goofygoff wrote...
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Actually, the main thing that bothers me about Garrus is that he won't say anything sometimes even when he should.
This.
In anticipation of LofSB, I recently imported an ME1 character who romanced Liara, and is now romancing Garrus forthe dramascience! It reminded me that I was completely irked that he never said anything about your ME1 LI, especially when you start the romance. He'll mention the "stupid love triangle" thing if you're also trying to get into another ME2 LIs pants, but not one word about an established relationship (which you're never really given the opportunity to officially sever).
Even a simple, "What about Liara/Kaidan?", would've sufficed.
It's really not necessary, though. At least for Kaidan. My Shep's relationship ended with Kaidan when she died. He could have loved her for the rest of his life, but that alone wouldn't have brought her back. Garrus should have no more concern for the old LI than Thane and Jacob do regardless of the fact that he knew Kaidan. I would guess he assumes if there were feelings still there, then Shepard wouldn't be coming to him.
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Posté 27 août 2010 - 05:56
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For me its "Can it wait for a bit, I'm in the middle of callibrations."
Damn it bioware.
I wonder how many fanfics have been the result of overcalibration frustration.
Seriously... I make a trip all the way to the batteries to see him and he says that every time... you'd think he could at least have one other thing to say? Or if they'd put in some sort of easter egg like the Legion dance to reward me for checking on him so much.... but no. You know, I would really enjoy walking in on him taking a nap for once or something. Oh well. I'm very grateful that they made him a LI at all and I'm sure making a video game is the sort of thing that always takes longer than it looks, but it would have been nice!
He was like that in ME1, too. It was annoying how Wrex, Ashley, Kaidan, and even Tali either had ongoing stories to tell or lots of "Investigate" options, but Garrus had almost nothing aside from the Dr. Saleon quest. Nice of him to always want to thank me, but really! If we can get into the details of asari reproduction with Liara, why can't we ask Garrus about turian females?
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Posté 27 août 2010 - 06:01
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Neria Rose wrote...
goofygoff wrote...
Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
Actually, the main thing that bothers me about Garrus is that he won't say anything sometimes even when he should.
This.
In anticipation of LofSB, I recently imported an ME1 character who romanced Liara, and is now romancing Garrus forthe dramascience! It reminded me that I was completely irked that he never said anything about your ME1 LI, especially when you start the romance. He'll mention the "stupid love triangle" thing if you're also trying to get into another ME2 LIs pants, but not one word about an established relationship (which you're never really given the opportunity to officially sever).
Even a simple, "What about Liara/Kaidan?", would've sufficed.
It's really not necessary, though. At least for Kaidan. My Shep's relationship ended with Kaidan when she died. He could have loved her for the rest of his life, but that alone wouldn't have brought her back. Garrus should have no more concern for the old LI than Thane and Jacob do regardless of the fact that he knew Kaidan. I would guess he assumes if there were feelings still there, then Shepard wouldn't be coming to him.
Even if the relationship is over, when you see Kaidan on Horizon, it's only been maybe a few weeks separation from Shepard's point of view. Depending on how you rp, it's entirely likely that her feelings are very much still there even if they're no longer together. I assumed Garrus would at least want to make sure that she's free and clear, even if in her heart.
Or I'm reading waaaay too much into this.
I guess I wouldn't have minded so much if there had been at least a post-Horizon conversation with Garrus. He definitely has an opinion if you take him with you. It would've been nice to follow up on that, regardless of Shep's gender or relationship with the VS.
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Posté 27 août 2010 - 06:22
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I think Garrus is most definitely thinking about Kaidan or Liara, but in typical frustrating silent Garrus fashion, he says nothing for fear of "disrupting the team" or "hurting our friendship" or "burdening people" or whatever. This is one of my biggest complaints with him. He really does need to tell Shep what he thinks on certain things more often. He's just very lucky she is so darn good at reading him or he would be an emotional wreck.
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Posté 27 août 2010 - 06:30
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Yeah, and the fact that he never includes Kaidan or Liara in his "Stupid Love Triangle" comment makes me wonder if they'll even sufficiently address the triangle in ME3.
Now, I REALLY don't think there should be a fight, verbal or physical (definitely NOT physical), and my "Triangle" Shepard, Meghan, would kick both their asses out of the airlock for one, but there should be something.
Now, I REALLY don't think there should be a fight, verbal or physical (definitely NOT physical), and my "Triangle" Shepard, Meghan, would kick both their asses out of the airlock for one, but there should be something.
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Posté 27 août 2010 - 06:34
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Garrus' Thriller dance is awesome. xD Also, the next time I'm trying to find good armor, I'll just remember that Morlan's shop has everything.
That would annoy my MainShep. I can understand why he wants to kill Saren, and my MaleShep agreed with him. But raving lunatic? That doesn't really fit Saren. Raving lunatic is that batarian in Omega who keeps saying that we're a blight and telling us to repent.Nilfalasiel wrote...
Another ME1 convo that annoys me is on the Normandy, when he mentions that they shouldn't give Saren the chance to get away when they catch him. Shepard tells him that if they simply kill him, they'll never understand his motives, and Garrus first says "yeah, you may be right", but then proceeds to say "do you think there's something to understand? other than the fact that he's a raving lunatic?" Again, too trigger-happy there, Garrus. I can understand him having that reaction with Sidonis, but with Saren, it just sounds overly zealous and close-minded. It's not like Saren did anything to him personally. And he might genuinely have had a good reason for doing what he did.
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Posté 27 août 2010 - 06:39
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I hate the mako because on every mission I just KNEW I had to take it. My Brian PT was horrible for he did like EVERY little side quest thing. It drove me nuts. And I only made level 50! WTH? At least he is one hundred percent blue! no red at all! mhm *nods at own craziness*
A friend asked me the other day where I find so many stuff to play in - only - ME2 and then I started naming all the stuff. I am obsessed! And grateful that I came across that website (during my vacation when lying bored in my tent) where you can download ME1 character files! If only I had known earlier! I'd have less gray hair now! seriously! I am done with ME1. I play it occasionally but I don't want to start another playthrough. I have three open Sheps there, waiting to be finished but 3 PTs are enough for my taste! I'm too much in love with the second game! And since I can save my saves and basically choose whatever option I want, god I'm such a lazy ass!
Wait, I'm trying to find my point again...*looks around on the floor* Oh, there it is!
Yes, I wish Garrus would have said something about the Me1-LI but I agree with Raga on why he didn't.
And I have another video snippet for you, again not Garrus related but Forvan & Jacob if you bring Jacob to Afterlife when talking to Forvan after he's poisoned you. I like the Mass Effect Galaxy reference from Jacob. God, I love stuff like that. I know, I'm weird! and nobody cares anyway xD
A friend asked me the other day where I find so many stuff to play in - only - ME2 and then I started naming all the stuff. I am obsessed! And grateful that I came across that website (during my vacation when lying bored in my tent) where you can download ME1 character files! If only I had known earlier! I'd have less gray hair now! seriously! I am done with ME1. I play it occasionally but I don't want to start another playthrough. I have three open Sheps there, waiting to be finished but 3 PTs are enough for my taste! I'm too much in love with the second game! And since I can save my saves and basically choose whatever option I want, god I'm such a lazy ass!
Wait, I'm trying to find my point again...*looks around on the floor* Oh, there it is!
Yes, I wish Garrus would have said something about the Me1-LI but I agree with Raga on why he didn't.
And I have another video snippet for you, again not Garrus related but Forvan & Jacob if you bring Jacob to Afterlife when talking to Forvan after he's poisoned you. I like the Mass Effect Galaxy reference from Jacob. God, I love stuff like that. I know, I'm weird! and nobody cares anyway xD
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Posté 27 août 2010 - 06:40
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I know it is unpopular, but I think Bioware might address it in DLC to free up some variables for ME3. I think to explicitly choose, you may have to do so in DLC. Otherwise, loyal Sheps stay with ME1 person and cheater Sheps default to ME2 person. People hate this idea, but I think it solves a lot of problems and I had rather this than people get cameoed or there be no real resolution to this plotline. That would be very irksome. Ideally of course we would get extensive, realistic resolution for all scenarios in ME3, but when you consider all the variables of who cheated on who with who, it gets pretty complicated.
I also don't think they will fight especially not physically. However, I do think Garrus might be indignant about Kaidan's behavior on Horizon. He is very emphatic there. "Damn it, Kaidan! You are so focused on Cerberus you're ignoring the real threat!" It's the most emphatic Garrus line I know of outside of his LM. I don't think he would fight with Kaidan over Shepard. No chest beating or anything like that nonsense, but I think it's possible he might have a few choice words for how Kaidan reacted and how that may have made Shep feel.
I know it is unpopular, but I think Bioware might address it in DLC to free up some variables for ME3. I think to explicitly choose, you may have to do so in DLC. Otherwise, loyal Sheps stay with ME1 person and cheater Sheps default to ME2 person. People hate this idea, but I think it solves a lot of problems and I had rather this than people get cameoed or there be no real resolution to this plotline. That would be very irksome. Ideally of course we would get extensive, realistic resolution for all scenarios in ME3, but when you consider all the variables of who cheated on who with who, it gets pretty complicated.
I also don't think they will fight especially not physically. However, I do think Garrus might be indignant about Kaidan's behavior on Horizon. He is very emphatic there. "Damn it, Kaidan! You are so focused on Cerberus you're ignoring the real threat!" It's the most emphatic Garrus line I know of outside of his LM. I don't think he would fight with Kaidan over Shepard. No chest beating or anything like that nonsense, but I think it's possible he might have a few choice words for how Kaidan reacted and how that may have made Shep feel.
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Posté 27 août 2010 - 06:42
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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
He is very emphatic there. "Damn it, Kaidan! You are so focused on Cerberus you're ignoring the real threat!" It's the most emphatic Garrus line I know of outside of his LM.
God, I loved how he said that to Ashley xD "Dammit Williams...." *rofl*
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Posté 27 août 2010 - 06:48
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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
I also don't think they will fight especially not physically. However, I do think Garrus might be indignant about Kaidan's behavior on Horizon. He is very emphatic there. "Damn it, Kaidan! You are so focused on Cerberus you're ignoring the real threat!" It's the most emphatic Garrus line I know of outside of his LM. I don't think he would fight with Kaidan over Shepard. No chest beating or anything like that nonsense, but I think it's possible he might have a few choice words for how Kaidan reacted and how that may have made Shep feel.
I fully expect some snark, especially from Garrus and for the reasons you stated. And I seriously don't see it happening, but if it comes to blows, they both go out the airlock.
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Posté 27 août 2010 - 07:00
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I can't see Garrus starting a fight with a former LI - doesn't strike me as his style. I'm pretty sure he'd have some snappy comment though if said former LI made any comments that were nasty to Shepard.
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Posté 27 août 2010 - 07:03
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I really, really doubt it would come to blows, but my mainshep wouldn't airlock them. It would depend on who said what, who threw the first punch, and a bunch of other stuff. It's way OCC, but such a visceral confrontation would actually be kinda interesting, but then maybe that is just me. Garrus getting that uppity about it is kinda 
It would drive me bonkers in real life for a guy to get like that, but in game, I dunno, it's kinda sexy. I am suddenly reminded of Carth's "hey you talk to her with a little respect in your voice or you'll be picking your teeth up off the floor." He says that to a sleaze like Harkin. I love that. Like I said, seriously OCC for Garrus and Kaidan. Not gonna happen. But if it did, I might not mind too much. It's not that I think picking one over the other would be fun. That would be heartbreaking. It's that seeing them get that worked up could lead to some rather open and fierce dialog about Shep and what she means to them that might be awesome. I know that makes me a bad person. Oh well.
It would drive me bonkers in real life for a guy to get like that, but in game, I dunno, it's kinda sexy. I am suddenly reminded of Carth's "hey you talk to her with a little respect in your voice or you'll be picking your teeth up off the floor." He says that to a sleaze like Harkin. I love that. Like I said, seriously OCC for Garrus and Kaidan. Not gonna happen. But if it did, I might not mind too much. It's not that I think picking one over the other would be fun. That would be heartbreaking. It's that seeing them get that worked up could lead to some rather open and fierce dialog about Shep and what she means to them that might be awesome. I know that makes me a bad person. Oh well.
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Posté 27 août 2010 - 07:13
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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
I really, really doubt it would come to blows, but my mainshep wouldn't airlock them. It would depend on who said what, who threw the first punch, and a bunch of other stuff. It's way OCC, but such a visceral confrontation would actually be kinda interesting, but then maybe that is just me. Garrus getting that uppity about it is kinda
It would drive me bonkers in real life for a guy to get like that, but in game, I dunno, it's kinda sexy. I am suddenly reminded of Carth's "hey you talk to her with a little respect in your voice or you'll be picking your teeth up off the floor." He says that to a sleaze like Harkin. I love that. Like I said, seriously OCC for Garrus and Kaidan. Not gonna happen. But if it did, I might not mind too much. It's not that I think picking one over the other would be fun. That would be heartbreaking. It's that seeing them get that worked up could lead to some rather open and fierce dialog about Shep and what she means to them that might be awesome. I know that makes me a bad person. Oh well.
Now THAT was hot.
What I would love to see a confrontation without Shep present. But my cynical side thinks we're going to get a similar one from ME1 with Shep simply choosing one or the other. Bleh.
And the only bad people are the ones who want Shep or the ME2 LI to kill the ME1 LI. Yes, I've seen that stated many times.
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Posté 27 août 2010 - 07:19
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Actually, if my lack of DLC decides that the Shepards can't go back to whoever they were with in ME1, I would be fine with that. If my Shepards hook up with someone else, it means they had no intention of going back to Kaidan/Ashley anyway. (The Liara-romance MaleShep will stay with her. He likes the new darker Liara better than the original.) The only problem I might have with this is EvilShep, because I kind of want an epic biotic fight between Liara, Miranda, and Morinth for his playthrough. But he's a little complicated because I don't consider any of those three a true "romance." EvilShep is just using them.
I don't think it's realistic for Garrus to start a physical fight unless he was really provoked into it, but my Shepard wouldn't be angry with him (she doesn't have another romance though, so no confrontation for her). She would like it if Garrus got involved like that with any of the annoying people who flirt with her in-game. Unfortunately, he doesn't. She would be the type to get involved if she thought someone was after "her man."
I don't think it's realistic for Garrus to start a physical fight unless he was really provoked into it, but my Shepard wouldn't be angry with him (she doesn't have another romance though, so no confrontation for her). She would like it if Garrus got involved like that with any of the annoying people who flirt with her in-game. Unfortunately, he doesn't. She would be the type to get involved if she thought someone was after "her man."
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Posté 27 août 2010 - 07:24
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In real life, if I were stupid enough to have two romantic entanglements going on at once without the express agreement of all parties, I'd expect them not to have a confrontation with each other, but to confront me, like what Liara and Kaidan/Ashley do in ME1. I'm the one playing with their emotions, knowingly or unknowingly. I'm the one that needs the kick in the ass to straighten out the situation.
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Posté 27 août 2010 - 07:30
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ciaweth wrote...
In real life, if I were stupid enough to have two romantic entanglements going on at once without the express agreement of all parties, I'd expect them not to have a confrontation with each other, but to confront me, like what Liara and Kaidan/Ashley do in ME1. I'm the one playing with their emotions, knowingly or unknowingly. I'm the one that needs the kick in the ass to straighten out the situation.
Agreed. But sadly, even IRL, the other person is usually the one who takes most of the heat. Even though the biggest feminine hygiene product in this equation is the one in the middle.
