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[Aricle]

Pacifien wrote...
Since Bioware is eliciting ideas for an ME3 Uber Collector's Edition item, what do you think a Garrus eyepiece/headset should accomplish that makes it ubertastic?

Going to double post b/c I have to answer this: clothes melting, so Garrus can save his voice. XD.

I was thinking about what I would want for an Advance Order Super Collector Edition DLC earlier- I'd want a DLC that contained just one thing: Garrus' voice saying my Shepard's first name and the coding to get it into the game. I know- logistics. This would make me very happy, more than armour and shades, etc.

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Modifié par Aricle, 29 août 2010 - 05:05 .

[Bugsie]

Aricle - I think I am channeling you! I have been thinking about Saren all damn day.



Not sure if its been discussed before but do you think Saren's brother was older or younger?



Does anyone know the age gap between Saren and Nihlus? Nihlus doesn't seem to have a birthdate on wiki.

[Alexine]

Aricle wrote...

And, Garrus, when Shepard isn't found:

*snip*

Angsty Garrus! :happy:





And the reason is:



XD

[Pacifien]

Buggirl70 wrote...
Not sure if its been discussed before but do you think Saren's brother was older or younger?

Does anyone know the age gap between Saren and Nihlus? Nihlus doesn't seem to have a birthdate on wiki.

Not sure about Saren's brother. I can see him being older and Saren being devastated at losing a brother he might have idolized during the Relay 314 incident.  Or I can see him being younger and Saren being devastated that his brother should die so young in an incident that went somewhat poorly for the turians.

Nihlus, I believe, was described as a protege of Saren's, so I'm going with younger.

[AgentMulder5]

Dear God. Six threads??? I've been gone too long...

[Aricle]

Alexine wrote...

Aricle wrote...

And, Garrus, when Shepard isn't found:

*snip*

Angsty Garrus! :happy:
*snip*
XD

We love our angsty Garrus and our sweets!

Re: Saren's brother's age, my instinct is to say younger. 

Modifié par Aricle, 29 août 2010 - 05:11 .

[Aricle]

I love the in-game codex info but I'd like that in a book format with plenty of illustrations.

[Bugsie]

I took it that Nihlus was younger as it says Saren was his mentor and took him under his wing which allowed him to rise quicker than his outsider status would have otherwise let him.



A book format of the codex would be something I would be interested in as well.

[Bugsie]

Raga I have no idea.  Anyone picked up anything in ME1 on this?

As for the first contact war - I am convinced Bioware has something up its sleeve regarding this, it's too juicy a topic to overlook.

Modifié par Buggirl70, 29 août 2010 - 05:53 .

[Sand King]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Where are you guys getting all this information on Nihlus? The wiki?

And I mean something even more indepth than the codex. The codex is nice, but kind of general. And it says almost nothing about history or geography. You get more geography from planet descriptions but most of those are dead planets. I mean something that would go into detail about Palaven and Thessia and Sur'Kesh. That would tell us the particulars of the Unification War and stuff like that. Maybe character biographies too. How awesome would that be?

And where is the wiki getting all that information about Nihlus?  There is no citation.

Don't trust/believe the wiki.

[Aricle]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
 How awesome would that be?

Uber awesome.

I don't know if you've read the Dune books or not. In the back of the first book, there is a glossary, an essay about the ecology of Dune by the imperial ecologist, and a map. I just found something the author wrote and had an artist illustrate, called 'The Road to Dune' and it included official portrait likenesses with a warning about authenticity of purchasing only official versions, a picture of a stop on the tour that only 100 people on each tour ever got to see.... basically I got to see what some people in Dune looked like, what some of the landmarks were, in a believable context of a travel guide. I'd like something like this for Mass Effect, as well. Not a 'coffee table art book' but something that is part of the information it conveys, if that makes sense. As a guidebook is part of the world that the traveler visits, because it is a product of that world. I like the codex because it has a context in the game/universe and would hope for a book to have a similar context.

[Bugsie]

Sand King wrote...

Don't trust/believe the wiki.

Who can we trust?  I need to know!! 

Someone must know these things.

Please help me find them.

[Chimervera]

There was some Nihlus info on the ME1 site, archived here. It's still hosted on masseffect.bioware.com, so we know it's official.

For those disinclined to follow the link:

Bioware says....

Nihlus Kryik is one of the Citadel Council's most decorated Spectre agents. Born in a small mercenary outpost outside Hierarchy space, he learned the hard way to fight for what he wanted. His father died when he was 16, and his mother forced him to join the turian military. His outsider status made life difficult; though he was always at the top of his class, his superiors and peers never truly accepted him.

As a soldier, Nihlus' skills were unquestionable. His attitude, however, often got him in trouble. On several occasions, he disobeyed direct orders to do what he thought was best. Although his instincts were usually proven right, his notoriety grew. Even when he single-handedly routed an enemy patrol, and saved his squad from ambush, his commanding officers berated him for his recklessness. His military career seemed to stall before it even began.After being reassigned to a new squad for the third time, Nihlus was introduced to Saren Arterius,
a fellow turian and a Spectre. Saren was impressed with the young soldier. He befriended Nihlus and offered to mentor him. Within a year of meeting Saren, Nihlus was asked to join the Spectres.

Free from the restrictions of military procedure, Nihlus excelled in his new role. He quickly stepped from his mentor's shadow and established himself as one of the Council's top agents. Since then, Nihlus has completed countless missions as a Spectre, each one more difficult and dangerous than the last.

Cool under pressure, Nihlus has an uncanny ability to find an enemy's weakness and exploit it. Though his methods aren't as brutal as Saren's, he will not hesitate to efficiently and thoroughly eradicate anything or anyone that stands in his way.

Modifié par Chimervera, 29 août 2010 - 07:32 .

[UnDutchable]

It's probably because he's so appealing, but only appears in the game for about ten minutes. That makes it very easy for people to create their own version of him in fanfics - after all, when you know so little of the character besides that he's awesome, it's nearly impossible to write something OOC. With characters like Garrus, you already have an established personality and part of a plot, if you want to work outside of that, you basically have to make an AU fic.

It's like what happened with Bann Teagan from DA:O. He was noble and charming, so he got a lot of fans, and because he's just an NPC with a pretty minor role fanfic writers were free to make up their own stories about him. And there are boatloads of stories about "The Bannhammer" basically p*mping his way through the country. XD

[Kim Shepard]

Nice Saren pictures on the last page.

Buggirl70 wrote...

Aricle - I think I am channeling you! I have been thinking about Saren all damn day.

Not sure if its been discussed before but do you think Saren's brother was older or younger?

Does anyone know the age gap between Saren and Nihlus? Nihlus doesn't seem to have a birthdate on wiki.

The Sarendoctrination... it works even when I'm not here. xD

I assume that Saren's bother was older. I've tried a few times to figure out Saren's age according to the timeline during the First Contact War, and every time I seem to come up with a slightly different answer. (If someone with better math skills wants to figure it out, great.) He was definitely in his teen years though - old enough to be in the war, even though it was never said if he was in the war or not. But if Saren's brother was more than a year or two younger, he would have been too young to be in the war at all, so that's why I've been guessing older. I also have the idea that Saren looked up to his brother, but we have no way of knowing that except to say that he must have liked his brother to be that upset about his death. I can't imagine someone who hated their brother carrying a grudge against all of humanity for the war that killed him.

I think all we know is that Saren is older because he mentored Nihlus, but that's all. If I had to guess... Saren might be about ten years older, but like I said, just a guess with no real facts to back it up. I'm pretty sure there's a 15-year difference between Saren and Shepard though.

Also, good to know that all that extra Nihlus information came from BioWare. I've been trying to figure out how I missed so much of that in-game.

[Bugsie]

Thats exactly what it says on the wiki Chim, but thanks anyway!

I don't know about fishy so much Raga, I think obviously the info on Nihlus came out in ME1, he died, so no need to fill in anymore backstory than what they already had, and really by the sounds this info hasn't been updated since then.

Nihlus is damn sexy, but I put him on the no go list for romantic or smut ff (hey out of respect for the dead...) As for authors who seem to like doing what I shy away from - I think most of us in Clan V know exactly who you are talking about.

I think there is opportunity to create a strong story with him in it, without the fluff. Saren/Nihus mentor relationship and the battle in the wilderness he had with Samara (I started to write a story about just that but as with a lot of my fic the story arc gets a bit unwieldy for me to carry to completion and I don't like putting incomplete ff up anymore.)

@Kim  I put the timeline as this:
2139 - born
2154 - joined the military (age 15)
2155 - got singled out for special training (age 16)
2157 - his brother is killed in the first contact war (age 18)
2159 - became a Spectre (age 20)
at the time of ME1 he'd served for 24 years as a Spectre (age 44)

Modifié par Buggirl70, 29 août 2010 - 07:56 .

[Kim Shepard]

Thanks for the timeline. Saren must have always been pure awesome - singled out for special training after only one year in the military. I think he was also the youngest turian Spectre. Anyway, at age 18 during the First Contact War, I think his brother would have been older, even though it's possible that he could have been younger.

Too bad Saren doesn't have a birthday. The year is great, but that means MainShep doesn't know when to celebrate it.

[Bugsie]

HAAA I suspect that Saren was pretty awesome Kym, and pretty ruthless, which is why his fall from grace was so dramatic! As for his birthday you'll just have to find a particularly awesome date and make that the unofficial day of celebration.

And yes Raga it weirds me out too! Initially I thought I was the only one who felt that way, but there are lots of us who feel the same (as I have since found out!) Nihlus character is for interpretation, but considering his background, his mentor, his status as a Spectre, I think some ff can definitely come across as OOC.

Modifié par Buggirl70, 29 août 2010 - 08:49 .

[Kim Shepard]

Well, at least not knowing Saren's birthday gave me an amusing idea for young MainShep getting it wrong. xD Making up a "Saren celebration day" could work.

I can't comment on the fanfiction because I don't read much of it. Actually, most of the fanfics I've read (and continue to read) were the kind that are specially made to be hilarious.

[Bugsie]

I can't believe how sucked into the whole ff I've become. I've been indoctrinated!!



Finally Retribution is on its way!! Then I can go into all the threads that have been talking about it for the last month!



What AU's in particular Raga?

[UnDutchable]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
I guess I think all the effort that goes into filling out a shell like Nihlus is weird to do. Why not just create a whole new character all your own? You've already done 90% of the work in such a case. The only thing that isn't yours is that he is named Nihlus and looks like Nihlus.

That's precisely the point, though, in many cases. If you create your own character, you have to show that this character is sexy or prove that they are awesome, and a lot of writers fail spectacularly at this (see: every Mary Sue ever, and/or characters like Eragon). But when you take a character that already exists, people will go into your story with some knowledge of who the character is and what they're like. It's one of the reasons so many published authors think fanfiction is just lazy.

People who read stories about Nihlus are probably already fans, so most of the hard work of establishing a character is already done. The writer doesn't really need to write an introduction, doesn't need to establish the character as a badass, or anything like that. What they need to do is make sure that they don't stray too far from the general perception of the character, so no Nihlus crying while holding his teddybear because he's afraid of the big bad geth. It's kind of a paint-by-numbers thing. You've already got the Rembrandt, so it's already a great painting, and all you have to do is follow the instructions.

(I'm not trying to say that writing fanfiction is easy, or anything. These are just my two cents on the matter.)