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[Bugsie]

Fair and valid points UnDutchable.  I think people who want to be serious authors and publish move on from creating fanfiction pretty quickly, although I'm sure the odd published writer may come back and publish ff just for the fun of it.  In someways having a character from an established 'franchise' so to speak, does limit what you can write effectively because as you say there are preconceived ideas or whats considered 'canon' comes into play.  I've said this numerous times and it pertains to all forms of writing including fan fiction - it's easy to write, it's not easy to write something that people want to read!!

And just cos its top of the page:

Modifié par Buggirl70, 29 août 2010 - 09:23 .

[Kim Shepard]

Retribution is awesome. It gives more details about indoctrination, which made me think about Saren, and lead to a long conversation here with many wall-of-text posts.

[lovgreno]

We know very little about Nihlus from the game so it's up to our imagination to fill in what BioWare has not told us. Therefore a fanfiction about him makes him basicaly a creation of your own head, at least in that story. I think fanwriters have the right to and should treat fictional characters like Nihlus however they feel like to be honest.

[Bugsie]

True - in someway that's what fanfiction is all about Lov, but stray too far from the camp ground you can expect a pack of hungry bears to maul you for that 'interpretation'.



My own version of Nihlus sticks to what's been written about him and how I would expect a turian and a Spectre to behave. The Wiki says he had a tough childhood, outside hierachy space, his father dying when he was young and his mother pushing into the military. Saren was a mentor and friend, so I would say Saren's personality would have impacted on a young turian like Nihlus. Nihlus was known for bending the rules slightly, but getting the job done. Its hinted at in ME1 and Samara gives further weight to this in ME2 with her vignette about the fight in the wilderness. I can't see someone like Nihlus ever having a romantic interest in a human and would never want to portray it that way (thats my interpretation bears be damned!)

[Bugsie]

I've read both of those - they are incredibly well written. Although Broken Trust made me uncomfortable (the non-con thing I don't deal with too well.) The person who wrote Broken Trust still hasn't finished Cracked Faith that I'm aware, I don't think she knows where to take the story by the sounds.



And what can I say about Enemies like you and Me (WarlordFil), nothing I'm afraid as I'm too busy fanning myself at the memory of reading that superbly hawt text *sighs* She wrote a followup - Allies like you and me and that was pretty good too, Garrus was the Spectre in that and Shep the C-Sec officer.

[Kim Shepard]

All we know about Nihlus' opinion of humans is that he has nothing against them, and can see their potential, because he says this to Shepard. Now that you mention it though, he might be unlikely to have a relationship with a human, if only because of the reaction he would get from Saren... which I imagine would be a disgusted "spare me the details." xD

...But imagination can always change that. In my made-up version of Shepard's story, TIM resurrected Saren because MainShep wouldn't stop asking him to ("Did you resurrect Saren now? How about now? Now?"), MainShep and Saren got together, Kai Leng was just added to the Normandy, and there are many, many Shepards (one of them kind of enjoys saying "we're all Shepard here").

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Garrus Thread.

*strokes evil beard evily*

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

I...guess not.

[Collider]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

I...guess not.

I was simply in prolonged awe of your majestic beard, glorious leader Cheesecake.

[lovgreno]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

I...guess not.

I was busy growing a evil beard of my own.

[Collider]

There can only be one Evil Beard.

[Sialater]

Morning. I'm not sure I'd call fanfic easy. Yeah, the characters are already made up and the story is already done, but to get, say, Garrus to not sound OOC, you really have to do your homework. You can't just make it up out of whole cloth.



It does lend itself to laziness, though, since a careless writer can and will write whatever no matter the character or world.

[kglaser]

Lovestories wrote...

This made me laugh out loud first thing this morning

[TheSweetGirl]

You guys are telling me. I have just started writing ME fics. I'm trying my very best to keep the characters in character.



I'm writing my ME2 story of my Shepard and I'm writing a fic about a Blue Suns merc who eventually joins Archangel's squad(It's a girl and no, there will be no romance between her and Garrus. I will make that clear). Both fics will have Garrus in them and I'm trying my best to keep Garrus in character.

[kglaser]

Buggirl70 wrote...

Nihlus is damn sexy, but I put him on the no go list for romantic or smut ff (hey out of respect for the dead...) As for authors who seem to like doing what I shy away from - I think most of us in Clan V know exactly who you are talking about.

There is a really good (totally smut-free) chapter from one of those Nihlus fics though, with Saren in it, that I felt managed to keep both of them in character and it was really cool, with Shepard in it, too.  I'm tempted to post it up here when I get back home...I have to leave in a few or I might do it now.  It's completely relevant to the discussion (and as I mentioned free of potentially offensive stuff).

[TheSweetGirl]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

TheSweetGirl wrote...

You guys are telling me. I have just started writing ME fics. I'm trying my very best to keep the characters in character.

I'm writing my ME2 story of my Shepard and I'm writing a fic about a Blue Suns merc who eventually joins Archangel's squad(It's a girl and no, there will be no romance between her and Garrus. I will make that clear). Both fics will have Garrus in them and I'm trying my best to keep Garrus in character.

I don't mind some variance in Garrus' character.  After all, he will shift around different Shepards.  Garrus with uber renegade Shep and Garrus with uber paragon Shep is going to vary quite a lot.  I think it's perfectly legit for writers to take that into consideration.  Garrus will change based on who is around and what they say/do to him.

I just started so...I hope I learn as I go.

[Bugsie]

TheSweetGirl wrote...

You guys are telling me. I have just started writing ME fics. I'm trying my very best to keep the characters in character.

I'm writing my ME2 story of my Shepard and I'm writing a fic about a Blue Suns merc who eventually joins Archangel's squad(It's a girl and no, there will be no romance between her and Garrus. I will make that clear). Both fics will have Garrus in them and I'm trying my best to keep Garrus in character.

The most important thing I think about writing fanfiction is to have fun!!  The good thing with the ME universe is that you have an almost OC in your Shepard - she (or he) is you, a lot of room for good stuff and partial self insertion if thats your thing.  There is a down side though and that is the whole Mary-Sue/Gary-Sue accusations that can be thrown around. Just relax about it I say, and enjoy!!  And more stories on our beloved turian(s) can never be a bad thing in my view.

kglaser wrote...

There is a really good (totally smut-free) chapter from one of those Nihlus fics though, with Saren in it, that I felt managed to keep both of them in character and it was really cool, with Shepard in it, too.  I'm tempted to post it up here when I get back home...I have to leave in a few or I might do it now.  It's completely relevant to the discussion (and as I mentioned free of potentially offensive stuff).

For some bizarre reason I have this "No Nihlus smut" policy, which is strange.  I mean most of the time my taste is in the gutter (as you well know).  Maybe I'm protecting his reputation??  HAAAA

No, but seriously a good Nihlus story with non-smut parts has me interested kg. Especially as for some reason I can't stop thinking about Saren and him (not in any smutty way I assure you.)  I wonder what their mentor/mentee relationship was like?

Modifié par Buggirl70, 29 août 2010 - 03:21 .

[kglaser]

OK, here's the excerpt I meant.  It's anonymous because it's from the kink meme, but I want to reiterate there is NO SMUT or anything like that in this chapter, and I wanted to include it here also because it has Saren and I know Kim doesn't read ff.  I thought she might want to offer her opinion of this.
The story is called "Hell of a Year", and it's an AU of where Nihlus has picked Shepard to be a potential Spectre and he's following her around on missions for a whole year.  When this chapter starts, they have just wrapped up their last assignment.  (There are a few grammatical/typo errors.)
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Once outside, he made his way through the maze of
stalls in the Markets to their rendezvous point: one of the many badly
light back alleyways that had little to no foot traffic. He popped open
the holster clip on his shotgun and settled in.

"I would have expected more of you, Nihlus."

Nihlus
whirred and sent three shots into the shadows. A hand settled on his
shoulder and dug its talons in. "You let your guard down," Saren
informed him with that carefully controlled affection that Nihlus had
learned to detect years ago.

He shook his shoulder free and
glared up into his old mentor's strange new cybernetic eyes for a moment
before shaking his head with a little smile. "I had not been expecting
you, Saren. I thought you were in the Terminus."

"I am where I
am needed," Saren informed him. "I had heard about your new... protege,
and was curious. I didn't believe the rumors at first. Really,
Nihlus. A human? And at your suggestion?"

Scanning the alleyway
around them and satisfied at what he found, Nihlus holstered his gun
and settled his hands behind his back. "Commander Shepard is exemplary.
She gets the job done. I can ask no more in a fellow Spectre."

"She is human." All of Saren's feelings were wrapped up and spit out in that one dirty word. "You know what they are like."

"Yes," Nihlus agreed. "Aggressive. Rude. Loud. Assuming. Selfish."

Just over Saren's shoulder was the sudden sound of a shotgun pump action.

"But I've found they can be highly dependable and quick on their feet."

Shepard
held her shotgun pointed directly at Saren's head with an entirely
blank expression. For his part, Saren looked faintly amused as he
stared down the barrel. Quicker than he should have been able to move,
Saren knocked the shotgun off target (vaguely in Nihlus' direction) with
an elbow. Shepard refrained from firing in case the shot went wild,
but yanked the gun in close with Saren still attached and promptly
headbutted him.

Nihlus scrambled forward. He shoved Shepard back
with his shoulder and planted himself between her and Saren. The
bigger turian only checked himself at the last moment when he raised a
fist.

"Do not protect--"

"I'm not protecting her. I'm
protecting you," Nihlus tried to use some humor. It had worked
sometimes when they had been partners, years before. "She doesn't stop.
I've seen her take on krogan, unarmed, and win." Neither of them made
the move to attack further, so Nihlus made introductions. "Commander
Shepard, my old mentor and friend, Saren Arterius. Saren, my partner
and student, Commander Shepard, Spectre candidate."

"Pleasure," Shepard drawled from around Nihlus' shoulder.

Saren
let out a low growl. Then, entirely ignored her. "I had come to speak
with you. That was obviously a mistake. Another time." With that,
the big turian pivoted about and made his way out of the alleyway,
disappearing into the market crowds despite the fact he was a good head
taller than most.

[Pacifien]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
And where is the wiki getting all that information about Nihlus?  There is no citation.

The conversation has moved on and this is a bit off-topic to mention anyway, but I absolutely hate how the ME Wiki doesn't use citation. There have been a few times where I've seen the Wiki state something as fact when, if you trace the source, it's only speculation.

For instance, the idea that Krogan Battlemasters have to be biotics. Now, the Krogan Battlemasters we see in the game do happen to be biotics. But you trace it back to the Codex, it simply states that biotics tend to be promoted to positions of power, but the whole description of Battlemasters doesn't state it as a requirement.

Anyway, there's a lot of information such as Nihlus's and Saren's history and even the Biotic Shepard timeline that came from Bioware via the old forum, but this isn't made clear at all on the Wiki. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen them list the forum as a source of information.