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[Reptilian Rob]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

As for Garrus and his sister:
no matter if he's pulling some strings behind the scenes, I think he just wants some recognition from his family. The talk to his sister makes him appear as if he's their black sheep. Never doing anything right. Running out in the wild, playing cowboy and indians.....hence the dialogue with Shep. He just feels not worthy, no matter what he's doing. Can he be any more adorable? To me it feels, as if he never told that what he actually did. That he was part of saving the galaxy once and I feel like he won't tell them about the Omega 4 relay either. They have their own problems and don't care about the galaxy at all. Yet, he has to put his own concerns for his mom aside and face all this shyt with the Collectors and the politicians and then the stuff that happened to him on Omega, where he was trying to do something good but blames the death of his men on himself. OMG I wanna hug him and never let go! So much like many of my Sheps. I hope, in ME3 there will be some public awarding scene or something, after finally beating the Reapers and shyt where all of those involved get mentioned so those related to them actually SEE what a dangerous job they had to do and what a huge risk they had to take.

The fact that his family seems to blame every little thing on him doesn't help I'm sure. I hope in ME3 Bioware fleshes out Garrus' emotional aspect, opening him up if you will. It's incredibly difficult for me to look at him knowing that he's probably hurting a hell of a lot inside. 

I can identify with Garrus, back in my teens I was always the "black sheep." 

Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 09 septembre 2010 - 06:08 .

[Kim Shepard]

Tootles FTW wrote...

The thing that really gets me in his email is when his sister harasses him about not wanting to video chat lately.  Garrus can't even show his (now scarred) face to his family, since he's so concerned with minimizing his problems over theirs.  

I thought the same thing when I read it, that he didn't want them to see all the scars and bandages. Poor Garrus. D:

I'm still reading through the dossiers. Miranda image searched "Shepard Saren Spectre" on the extranet. xD I find this amusing because my MainShep likes Saren and tries to pretend that she's upset about the deaths of many Alliance soldiers rather than Saren's death. If she would see this, her reaction would definitely be, "Miranda knows!"

[Reptilian Rob]

Today had been very depressing, all this sad news about Garrus......



Someone post a funny Garrus meme quick!

[zhongda]

@Kim- Gah, my first thought at seeing that was "Wow, Miranda's kinkier than I realized." Then I realized exactly how hard my Saren lurv makes me fail xD;



@Rob- Would a ridiculous sketch help?

[TheodoricFriede]

This looks like fun, I would like to join this little party.

Where to begin...Well, on the topic of the shadow broker dossier, i never even considered the fact that he doesn't video chat because hes been scarred. By the gods, how much crap does this poor guy have to go through before he gets a break.

At least he has Shepard at this point. Either as a romance or a friend. (and Tali because in my head they're close friends.)

[Reptilian Rob]

TheodoricFriede wrote...

This looks like fun, I would like to join this little party.
Where to begin...Well, on the topic of the shadow broker dossier, i never even considered the fact that he doesn't video chat because hes been scarred. By the gods, how much crap does this poor guy have to go through before he gets a break.
At least he has Shepard at this point. Either as a romance or a friend. (and Tali because in my head they're close friends.)

I know, like I said I really hope Bioware gives us a chance to talk to Garrus about it all.

@Zhog: Yes a sketch would be fine!

Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 09 septembre 2010 - 06:42 .

[J4N3_M3]

TheodoricFriede wrote...

This looks like fun, I would like to join this little party.
Where to begin...Well, on the topic of the shadow broker dossier, i never even considered the fact that he doesn't video chat because hes been scarred. By the gods, how much crap does this poor guy have to go through before he gets a break.
At least he has Shepard at this point. Either as a romance or a friend. (and Tali because in my head they're close friends.)

right? still, I don't think he has talked to them about this! I don't think, he has talked about this to ANYONE! Athough I am no big fan of shrinks, I wonder, if Kelly EVER took notice of what lay beneath his surface. I mean, she hinted at it. But I wonder, how far her "own investigations" on this whole subject went and if Garrus would taken the chance to talk to someone who is forced to keep their mouth shut about such sensitive topics. On the other hand, she's Cerberus but who knows.

[JulianP]

J4N3_M3 wrote...


 I wonder, if Kelly EVER took notice of what lay beneath his surface. I mean, she hinted at it. But I wonder, how far her "own investigations" on this whole subject went and if Garrus would taken the chance to talk to someone who is forced to keep their mouth shut about such sensitive topics. On the other hand, she's Cerberus but who knows.

Somehow I just can't see Garrus opening up a whole lot to Kelly.  Kelly is more observant than she looks, but Garrus doesn't seem to open up much more for being anonymous or assured of confidentiality.  Doesn't sound like he did much heart-to-heart talking with his own Omega squad that he was trusting with his life.  Then again, maybe he did and the merc gang leaders just didn't realize it.

Modifié par JulianP, 09 septembre 2010 - 06:49 .

[Collider]

I pretty much think that Garrus' only friends right now are Shepard & Tali.

[Kim Shepard]

zhongda wrote...

@Kim- Gah, my first thought at seeing that was "Wow, Miranda's kinkier than I realized." Then I realized exactly how hard my Saren lurv makes me fail xD;

The first thing I thought of was my MainShep and Saren, then a comic about the Mass Effect characters discovering fanfiction... xD

[J4N3_M3]

It's not necessarily a matter of trust. It's often way easier to get stuff off your chest to someone who has to listen to you "professionally" than to your friends because doing that with your friends often leaves that insecurity...."what if they hate me afterwards? what if they will judge me?" and so on....of course real friends just don't mind and will still be your friends, but after all the shyt Garrus has gotten from his family, I can see him actually treasuring the friendships he has built, even if that means, sticking his own feelings and stuff behind because he is too scared to lose his friends.

and no, I have no idea what I am talking about -.-

[Homebound]

Poor Garrus and his sister. T___T

[TheodoricFriede]

Garrus barely even talks to Shepard, Somehow I doubt that he would have a serious conversation with Kelly. Which is a pity really, I actually like Kelly.

I wish they did with Garrus and the other characters what they did with Zaeed in the dossiers and add a conversation with her. It would be cool to actually see her do her job.

[Homebound]

TheodoricFriede wrote...

Garrus barely even talks to Shepard, Somehow I doubt that he would have a serious conversation with Kelly. Which is a pity really, I actually like Kelly.
I wish they did with Garrus and the other characters what they did with Zaeed in the dossiers and add a conversation with her. It would be cool to actually see her do her job.

Kelly: "Hey Garrus, got a minute?"

Garrus: "Can it wait? Im in the middle of some calibrations.."

[Tootles FTW]

I view the Garrus dossier as a hint that we'll get to either meet or finally hear more about Garrus's family in ME3. Or maybe they'll make it a DLC?



The disease mentioned to be afflicting Garrus's mother sounds like Alzheimers to me, and it would be really emotional if Garrus wanted to introduce you to her before her mind is completely gone.

[Collider]

I view the Garrus dossier as a hint that we'll get to either meet or finally hear more about Garrus's family in ME3.

I suspected so as well.

[JulianP]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

It's not necessarily a matter of trust. It's often way easier to get stuff off your chest to someone who has to listen to you "professionally" than to your friends because doing that with your friends often leaves that insecurity...."what if they hate me afterwards? what if they will judge me?" and so on....of course real friends just don't mind and will still be your friends, but after all the shyt Garrus has gotten from his family, I can see him actually treasuring the friendships he has built, even if that means, sticking his own feelings and stuff behind because he is too scared to lose his friends.
and no, I have no idea what I am talking about -.-

Depends on the person and the professional, I think.

I've talked to close friends, not-so-close friends, and professionals.  Here's what I personally think:

Friends is best if it's a topic that isn't about them, but you have to be careful not to act like you're never going to get over it, especially with people who want to *fix* things and be manifestly helpful.

Professionals have their uses, especially if you do need to act like you're never getting over it.  However, finding one that works for you can be so hard!  It took me forever to find a therapist I could stand.  The first one was like talking to a wall, and I just got angry because I didn't feel like my words were making any difference.  The second one questioned everything I said, and I was upset because I had to justify and explain every single thing. 

So: "by all means, Garrus, please do talk to Kelly.  But if she's too touchy-feely for you or something, Kelly will surely remind you that your friends aren't likely to think less of you for anything you could say to them." 

[J4N3_M3]

JulianP wrote...

Depends on the person and the professional, I think.

I've talked to close friends, not-so-close friends, and professionals.  Here's what I personally think:

Friends is best if it's a topic that isn't about them, but you have to be careful not to act like you're never going to get over it, especially with people who want to *fix* things and be manifestly helpful.

Professionals have their uses, especially if you do need to act like you're never getting over it.  However, finding one that works for you can be so hard!  It took me forever to find a therapist I could stand.  The first one was like talking to a wall, and I just got angry because I didn't feel like my words were making any difference.  The second one questioned everything I said, and I was upset because I had to justify and explain every single thing. 

So: "by all means, Garrus, please do talk to Kelly.  But if she's too touchy-feely for you or something, Kelly will surely remind you that your friends aren't likely to think less of you for anything you could say to them." 

really? I was like....so you wanna analyze me? *crosses arms Shepard style*

and ended up talking 3 hours, spitting everything out, things I've never told anyone before because people had such high expectations that I could never live up to. I had actually locked everything inside of me. And I mean everything. tell me about major trust issues, BioWare xD No one new shyt about me. I mean, people have a certain picture of you. You've worked hard creating it because of what's been expected of you so you succeeded in their eyes. Admitting to them, that beneath all that surface of a strong, confident person, is actually an emotional trainwreck, socially a complete screw up.....that's like....yeah.....waiting for them to point their fingers and go like: "Knew it!"

A shrink doesn't do that. They just listen in the first place without judging you on a personal level. They may try to analyze you but they certainly don't judge you like family or friends do. So yeah, I've always wondered if Kelly has offered a professional place to vent to Garrus and if he'd taken the chance or maybe considered it.

[Reptilian Rob]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

It's not necessarily a matter of trust. It's often way easier to get stuff off your chest to someone who has to listen to you "professionally" than to your friends because doing that with your friends often leaves that insecurity...."what if they hate me afterwards? what if they will judge me?" and so on....of course real friends just don't mind and will still be your friends, but after all the shyt Garrus has gotten from his family, I can see him actually treasuring the friendships he has built, even if that means, sticking his own feelings and stuff behind because he is too scared to lose his friends.
and no, I have no idea what I am talking about -.-

Ah man, I can see how that would play out. Garrus could be so worried of losing the only friends he has that he's willing to bottle everything up.

If Garrus only knew that Shepard would listen and help, no matter what he had to say.

[Kim Shepard]

I don't think Garrus is the type who would talk to anyone about that stuff, unless he eventually learns to talk about it with Shepard. He probably does just keep it all to himself.

My MainShep doesn't want Kelly talking to Garrus... but she hates Kelly. xD She wants a new secretary, TIM. (MainShep would ask TIM for a lot of stuff - Saren resurrected, Kai Leng on the squad, and now a new secretary.)

[Reptilian Rob]

Kim Shepard wrote...

I don't think Garrus is the type who would talk to anyone about that stuff, unless he eventually learns to talk about it with Shepard. He probably does just keep it all to himself.

My MainShep doesn't want Kelly talking to Garrus... but she hates Kelly. xD She wants a new secretary, TIM. (MainShep would ask TIM for a lot of stuff - Saren resurrected, Kai Leng on the squad, and now a new secretary.)

If he doesn't talk to someone close, he's going to hurt himself more than talking to someone close. 

I'm betting that in ME3 he will have some sort of emotional breakdown and we will have to "save" him somehow. 

Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 09 septembre 2010 - 07:39 .

[J4N3_M3]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

If he doesn't talk to someone close, he's going to hurt himself more than talking to someone close. 

I'm betting that in ME3 he will have some sort of emotional breakdown and we will have to "save" him somehow. 

doesn't necessarily need to be an emotional breakdown....there's always alcohol, red sand, gambling.....other addictions....

[JulianP]

Reptilian Rob,

This is for you. I tried...

[JulianP]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

A shrink doesn't do that. They just listen in the first place without judging you on a personal level.

True, true. And even if they do judge, who cares!

[zhongda]

Just a quick doodle, based on some silliness that was based on other silliness, as memes often go.
It's stupid but hopefully it gives someone at least a grin.  If people want I can scan it and mess with it in Photoshop on my other computer so it doesn't look -as- crappy.  But yeah.  All this talk about Garrus and his only buddies being Shep and Tali and I figured WHAT BETTER....

...drew femShep since I worried mShep might bother people. Be afraid if I ever decide to post Saren and Nihlus stuff, though.  I have way too much fun messing with those two.

(edited to fix my bbcode fail)

Modifié par zhongda, 09 septembre 2010 - 07:50 .