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[JulianP]

Hazzel42 wrote...

Waterproof clan markings make sense :-) Just had a flash of Jack and Garrus in the rain with their "makeup" running down their faces. Not sure who would look worse!

Hmmm... comic material!

[goofygoff]

Okay, so after LotSB, Garrus is now the only male LI who hasn't mentioned the 'L' word to Shepard.

I was pretty ambivalent about him saying it in ME3, but this little factoid has thrown me into the ‘pro’ camp. As long as he does it in a Garrus-y sort of way, of course.

And even though I never doubted it before, another reason why I like what Shep said to Liara about him is that it’s another strike against them just being **** buddies.

Modifié par goofygoff, 09 septembre 2010 - 05:52 .

[J4N3_M3]

I pieced the Garrus dossier stuff together....the files are bit big but otherwise you wouldn't be able to read it

Garrus

Private Message

Chat log

Visor Specs

Kill list

[zhongda]

JulianP wrote...

Sialater wrote...

JulianP wrote...

zhongda wrote...

 I figure they've got to have skin and subcu fat over the ridgey areas in order to have tattoos.

Unless, of course, the markings are just painted on !  Personally, I'm leaning toward the paint theory.  Why?  Because with all these barefacers running around, I think it makes more sense that they just stopped painting at some point, than that they never got the tattoos at all, which I think would be unlikely due to social pressure.

But then why are Garrus' markings broken like his scars? 

My totally fanwanky theory is that it's because the paint is semi-permanent, sort of like henna.

Just for discussion's sake...
Obviously there's an IRL reason for this (not going to make minute changes to character models for the sake of continuity) but if we're just going in-game: those markings are exactly. the. same. every. time.  Just because of the way dyes such as henna work, I don't see how one would be able to recreate such exact, precise, and symmetrical markings every time.
Barefacers could've come from parents who felt no loyalty to a colony, exiles, or the barefacers could've been orphaned.  Maybe they've had their tattoos removed, or maybe, like in tattoos, certain inks fade faster than others.  (For example, red pigment holds up the worst- often, even if a tattoo is taken care of properly, the red will need to be redone after decades.)
There are also the issues that others have brought up regarding Garrus' being jacked up or applying paint to wounds, but those have been addressed.
To be fair, the codex does just refer to them as "facial markings."  I'm just wondering: Why call them tats if they aren't tats?

[J4N3_M3]

mrsph wrote...

I think they really handled the Liara/other LI pretty well. Though I haven't tried it with Jacob and Miranda yet.

Loved the Tali, Thane, and Garrus comments.

edit: I'm just happy they seem to not be going down the cat-fight/fistfight angle.

i'm glad there was no drama, though I am still confused because Liara only made one snappy comment regarding Tali (when she wasn't around) and after the boss fight she willingly came to Brian's cabin for a drink and they "did the creepy thing where her eyes went black" xD 

Who would have thought, that my 100% Paragon Brian is such a playa, hu?

[FrancisKitt]

Love the last entry to Garrus' kill list.



"Zel'Aenik nar Helash (viral specialist, serial killer)

-Cough"

[Collider]

Oh? What did Liara say about Tali?

[Giggles_Manically]

I think she says something about trying to get under her helmet after the 3rd Paragon Interupt.

[J4N3_M3]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I think she says something about trying to get under her helmet after the 3rd Paragon Interupt.

yeah, if you insist on talking about the relationship after the Tela Vesir fight, she says that all you've been trying to do is get under Tali's helmet. But that was all. After that, she doesn't mention Tali ever again. I found that quite....I don't know, confusing? If that's a Liara thing or will it be handled like this for the VS too? Right now, my romance is locked with Tali and Liara....I think! Because there was the romance scene with Tali before Omega 4 and Brian didn't dump her either afterwards. Yet he got some quality time with Liara and says "Come back soon Liara" once the elevator doors have closed behind her.

[Kim Shepard]

I'm think the turian markings are tattoos. I read an interesting theory on one of the Garrus threads that criminals could use facepaint to change their markings with different alliances and for different appearances though - that sounds awesome.

Collider wrote...

@Xalena- No, that kind of rubbed me the wrong way, too. Partially because of the implications that Shep isn't over whatever "ew, aliens, weird" mentality that she originally had, and partially because it kind of feeds the Mary Sueishness of the asari in general. I have never played any of my Sheps to be any more sympathetic towards asari than they are to anyone else. It may not've been how the writers meant it to sound, but still.

I agree with this. I don't like the Asari as a race concept. Also, yea, it does kind of imply a certain viewpoint of the Turians from Shepard.

I was annoyed by that quote too, and I don't even have the DLC. xD If I did, I would just choose one of the options that avoided this conversation. My FemSheps don't find the asari attractive, and some of my MaleSheps don't either... but my MainShep and her clones think turians are attractive. There are just too many assumptions in that dialogue. Things like that should be left more open so the conversation can fit more Shepards. If a quote doesn't work for my Shepards, I replay any amount of the game that it takes to make it right. (I replayed a big part of one of those Collector ship missions because one of the dialogue choices had a non-religious Shepard say, "My God!" Luckily, that wasn't one of the harder missions.)

[J4N3_M3]

I really have no problem with Asari. I think, they look pretty hot. Then again, I find lots of human females hot, too, so I don't really care xD

[FrancisKitt]

Huh, we know the names of Garrus' squad now.



Erash, Monteague, Mierin, Grundan Krul, Melanis, Ripper, Sensat, Vortash, Butler, Weaver



Human: Monteague, Butler, Weaver

Turian: Mierin, Melanis

Salarian: Sensat (ex-STG guy)

Krogan: Grundan Krul

Unsure: Erash, Ripper, Vortash



Krogan and batarians have similar names, but my guess would be that Vortash would be the batarian. Erash could also be batarian, but I can also see it being salarian. **** knows what species 'Ripper' was (Yargh? ).

[J4N3_M3]

FrancisKitt wrote...

Huh, we know the names of Garrus' squad now.

Erash, Monteague, Mierin, Grundan Krul, Melanis, Ripper, Sensat, Vortash, Butler, Weaver

Human: Monteague, Butler, Weaver
Turian: Mierin, Melanis
Salarian: Sensat (ex-STG guy)
Krogan: Grundan Krul
Unsure: Erash, Ripper, Vortash

Krogan and batarians have similar names, but my guess would be that Vortash would be the batarian. Erash could also be batarian, but I can also see it being salarian. **** knows what species 'Ripper' was (Yargh? ).

I don't think Vortash and Erash were the Batarian...They don't have any 'sh' in their names. At least, not that I know of.

[Collider]

Ripper sounds like a Krogan name.

[J4N3_M3]

Collider wrote...

Ripper sounds like a Krogan name.

sounds more like a nickname to me, not like an actual name.

[Sialater]

Ripper's a stodgy Brit with glasses.

[Kim Shepard]

My FemSheps are straight, so saying that they find the asari attractive just doesn't work. Asari basically look like blue human women with headcrests instead of hair (and that's one of the things that some of my MaleSheps consider unattractive, if they like humans only). Turians, even though they're very different, still look like men. Not that all of my FemSheps think they're attractive either - actually, it's just MainShep. I can imagine her talking with one of my other FemSheps about Saren, going on and on about how good-looking he is, and the other FemShep responds that she would think a human with those eyes and personality was attractive too. xD It all depends on the Shepard.

About the names of Garrus' squad, does anyone else think "Ripper" might have once been a criminal or merc?

[Xsause]

Kim Shepard wrote...

 (I replayed a big part of one of those Collector ship missions because one of the dialogue choices had a non-religious Shepard say, "My God!" Luckily, that wasn't one of the harder missions.)

I'm non-religious, and I tend to do stuff like that too. OMG!

Huh, I kinda liked the "finding peace in the arms of a turian" conversation. True, it may sound a bit weird when you just read it like that, but in-game, with real emotions and such, it sounds a lot better. I think the "Everyone loves asari" line was meant to show just how different this relationship is from a human/asari relationship, where both parties are naturally attracted to each other, can have kids, etc.. Shepard just didn't expect to fall for Garrus. I agree with you, they could've worded it a bit better. But it's still one of the few moments in-game where Shepard can actually show his/her true emotions and vent his/her frustrations. It was definitely one of my favorite ME2 scenes.

And finally, yes, I agree with the "turian facial markings are tattoos" theory.  :happy:

[J4N3_M3]

Xsause wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

 (I replayed a big part of one of those Collector ship missions because one of the dialogue choices had a non-religious Shepard say, "My God!" Luckily, that wasn't one of the harder missions.)

I'm non-religious, and I tend to do stuff like that too. OMG!

Huh, I kinda liked the "finding peace in the arms of a turian" conversation. True, it may sound a bit weird when you just read it like that, but in-game, with real emotions and such, it sounds a lot better. I think the "Everyone loves asari" line was meant to show just how different this relationship is from a human/asari relationship, where both parties are naturally attracted to each other, can have kids, etc.. Shepard just didn't expect to fall for Garrus. I agree with you, they could've worded it a bit better. But it's still one of the few moments in-game where Shepard can actually show his/her true emotions and vent his/her frustrations. It was definitely one of my favorite ME2 scenes.

And finally, yes, I agree with the "turian facial markings are tattoos" theory.  :happy:

I actually didn't feel the "everyone finds asari attractive" line to be THAT important to Shep herself. I mean, the way she says it, it can also be seen as a sarcastic remark towards how most individuals act around asari. In a "everyone finds asari attractive, hence why three guys cheated on me" kinda way, if you know what i mean. it's more a general saying...doesn't have to be an expression of sheps personal opinion about asari.

[FrancisKitt]

To be fair, we don't know that much about batarian naming conventions. Some have apostrophed surnames, some are hyphenated (see Eluam Ran'perah and Groto Ib-ba).



Ripper could be a... vorcha name? That would be brilliant.



"You tell Blue Suns that we kick they're ass today!"



"Argh! Archangel want justice! You work for Tarak! Kick the helpless, shoot old people! We kill you first argh!"

[Xsause]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

Xsause wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

 (I replayed a big part of one of those Collector ship missions because one of the dialogue choices had a non-religious Shepard say, "My God!" Luckily, that wasn't one of the harder missions.)

I'm non-religious, and I tend to do stuff like that too. OMG!

Huh, I kinda liked the "finding peace in the arms of a turian" conversation. True, it may sound a bit weird when you just read it like that, but in-game, with real emotions and such, it sounds a lot better. I think the "Everyone loves asari" line was meant to show just how different this relationship is from a human/asari relationship, where both parties are naturally attracted to each other, can have kids, etc.. Shepard just didn't expect to fall for Garrus. I agree with you, they could've worded it a bit better. But it's still one of the few moments in-game where Shepard can actually show his/her true emotions and vent his/her frustrations. It was definitely one of my favorite ME2 scenes.

And finally, yes, I agree with the "turian facial markings are tattoos" theory.  :happy:

I actually didn't feel the "everyone finds asari attractive" line to be THAT important to Shep herself. I mean, the way she says it, it can also be seen as a sarcastic remark towards how most individuals act around asari. In a "everyone finds asari attractive, hence why three guys cheated on me" kinda way, if you know what i mean. it's more a general saying...doesn't have to be an expression of sheps personal opinion about asari.

I agree with you...I just suck at wording my serious posts correctly.

[JulianP]

zhongda wrote...

Just for discussion's sake...
Obviously there's an IRL reason for this (not going to make minute changes to character models for the sake of continuity) but if we're just going in-game: those markings are exactly. the. same. every. time.  Just because of the way dyes such as henna work, I don't see how one would be able to recreate such exact, precise, and symmetrical markings every time.
Barefacers could've come from parents who felt no loyalty to a colony, exiles, or the barefacers could've been orphaned.  Maybe they've had their tattoos removed, or maybe, like in tattoos, certain inks fade faster than others.  (For example, red pigment holds up the worst- often, even if a tattoo is taken care of properly, the red will need to be redone after decades.)
There are also the issues that others have brought up regarding Garrus' being jacked up or applying paint to wounds, but those have been addressed.
To be fair, the codex does just refer to them as "facial markings."  I'm just wondering: Why call them tats if they aren't tats?

You're right that there's a very obvious IRL reason - and sometimes it makes more sense just to accept that! 

It does in fact occasionally bug me that everyone says "tattoos" when I haven't yet found canon precedent for that.  The game seems to leave it an open question, which is nice.  But I'm not going to complain too much about using non-canon vocabulary when I myself can't help but think "crest" is a more appropriate term than "fringe"

If we are going to get nitpicky, though, I do think that it would be possible to get the markings right with paint/ink:  do it carefully once, and just keep touching up whenever an area starts to fade.  Who knows, they might even have special templates for reference first time around or something.  Of course, this is all just minor speculation.

[J4N3_M3]

Xsause wrote...

J4N3_M3 wrote...

Xsause wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

 (I replayed a big part of one of those Collector ship missions because one of the dialogue choices had a non-religious Shepard say, "My God!" Luckily, that wasn't one of the harder missions.)

I'm non-religious, and I tend to do stuff like that too. OMG!

Huh, I kinda liked the "finding peace in the arms of a turian" conversation. True, it may sound a bit weird when you just read it like that, but in-game, with real emotions and such, it sounds a lot better. I think the "Everyone loves asari" line was meant to show just how different this relationship is from a human/asari relationship, where both parties are naturally attracted to each other, can have kids, etc.. Shepard just didn't expect to fall for Garrus. I agree with you, they could've worded it a bit better. But it's still one of the few moments in-game where Shepard can actually show his/her true emotions and vent his/her frustrations. It was definitely one of my favorite ME2 scenes.

And finally, yes, I agree with the "turian facial markings are tattoos" theory.  :happy:

I actually didn't feel the "everyone finds asari attractive" line to be THAT important to Shep herself. I mean, the way she says it, it can also be seen as a sarcastic remark towards how most individuals act around asari. In a "everyone finds asari attractive, hence why three guys cheated on me" kinda way, if you know what i mean. it's more a general saying...doesn't have to be an expression of sheps personal opinion about asari.

I agree with you...I just suck at wording my serious posts correctly.

OMG I just beat Xsause! xD *pulls mass effect poke-card* TAKE THAT! *gets beaten by Xsauses humour* 
dammit

[JulianP]

Sialater wrote...

Ripper's a stodgy Brit with glasses.

Giles!!!