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[J4N3_M3]

JulianP wrote...

zhongda wrote...

Just for discussion's sake...
Obviously there's an IRL reason for this (not going to make minute changes to character models for the sake of continuity) but if we're just going in-game: those markings are exactly. the. same. every. time.  Just because of the way dyes such as henna work, I don't see how one would be able to recreate such exact, precise, and symmetrical markings every time.
Barefacers could've come from parents who felt no loyalty to a colony, exiles, or the barefacers could've been orphaned.  Maybe they've had their tattoos removed, or maybe, like in tattoos, certain inks fade faster than others.  (For example, red pigment holds up the worst- often, even if a tattoo is taken care of properly, the red will need to be redone after decades.)
There are also the issues that others have brought up regarding Garrus' being jacked up or applying paint to wounds, but those have been addressed.
To be fair, the codex does just refer to them as "facial markings."  I'm just wondering: Why call them tats if they aren't tats?

You're right that there's a very obvious IRL reason - and sometimes it makes more sense just to accept that! 

It does in fact occasionally bug me that everyone says "tattoos" when I haven't yet found canon precedent for that.  The game seems to leave it an open question, which is nice.  But I'm not going to complain too much about using non-canon vocabulary when I myself can't help but think "crest" is a more appropriate term than "fringe"

If we are going to get nitpicky, though, I do think that it would be possible to get the markings right with paint/ink:  do it carefully once, and just keep touching up whenever an area starts to fade.  Who knows, they might even have special templates for reference first time around or something.  Of course, this is all just minor speculation.

just blame it on the universal translator that not only has to translate all this from Turian but also into all human languages there are....means German, English and so on....

[Xsause]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

Xsause wrote...

J4N3_M3 wrote...

Xsause wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

 (I replayed a big part of one of those Collector ship missions because one of the dialogue choices had a non-religious Shepard say, "My God!" Luckily, that wasn't one of the harder missions.)

I'm non-religious, and I tend to do stuff like that too. OMG!

Huh, I kinda liked the "finding peace in the arms of a turian" conversation. True, it may sound a bit weird when you just read it like that, but in-game, with real emotions and such, it sounds a lot better. I think the "Everyone loves asari" line was meant to show just how different this relationship is from a human/asari relationship, where both parties are naturally attracted to each other, can have kids, etc.. Shepard just didn't expect to fall for Garrus. I agree with you, they could've worded it a bit better. But it's still one of the few moments in-game where Shepard can actually show his/her true emotions and vent his/her frustrations. It was definitely one of my favorite ME2 scenes.

And finally, yes, I agree with the "turian facial markings are tattoos" theory.  :happy:

I actually didn't feel the "everyone finds asari attractive" line to be THAT important to Shep herself. I mean, the way she says it, it can also be seen as a sarcastic remark towards how most individuals act around asari. In a "everyone finds asari attractive, hence why three guys cheated on me" kinda way, if you know what i mean. it's more a general saying...doesn't have to be an expression of sheps personal opinion about asari.

I agree with you...I just suck at wording my serious posts correctly.

OMG I just beat Xsause! xD *pulls mass effect poke-card* TAKE THAT! *gets beaten by Xsauses humour* 
dammit

THIS IS THE START OF A RIVALRY! 

[J4N3_M3]

Xsause wrote...

J4N3_M3 wrote...


OMG I just beat Xsause! xD *pulls mass effect poke-card* TAKE THAT! *gets beaten by Xsauses humour* 
dammit

THIS IS THE START OF A RIVALRY! 

I should redo my mass effect poke card and add "hitting the nail on the head" to my strength :D:D:D:D:D

[JulianP]

J4N3_M3 wrote...


just blame it on the universal translator that not only has to translate all this from Turian but also into all human languages there are....means German, English and so on....

And for all we know, there could be, like, 50 major turian languages and thousands of dialects or something.

[J4N3_M3]

JulianP wrote...

J4N3_M3 wrote...


just blame it on the universal translator that not only has to translate all this from Turian but also into all human languages there are....means German, English and so on....

And for all we know, there could be, like, 50 major turian languages and thousands of dialects or something.

and all the human languages with its dialects......dammit

[Xsause]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

Xsause wrote...

J4N3_M3 wrote...


OMG I just beat Xsause! xD *pulls mass effect poke-card* TAKE THAT! *gets beaten by Xsauses humour* 
dammit

THIS IS THE START OF A RIVALRY! 

I should redo my mass effect poke card and add "hitting the nail on the head" to my strength :D:D:D:D:D

You will find that I'm a worthy opponent...I didn't get the Evil Science degree on the Morally Ambiguous University of Mannovai for nothing.

[Kim Shepard]

I'm still trying to figure out what kind of hilarious expression my MaleShep would use in place of "My God!" xD Because he's eccentric, and he needs one.

I know that asari comment can be taken a few different ways, but none of them would work for my FemSheps. It's just not their way of speaking, to say something that implies everyone thinks a certain way when they don't even think that way themselves. Technically, it's not in character for MainShep to invite Liara up to her room for a conversation either. (Does that have to happen?) The other problem would be the "I never expected" to fall for a turian part. She's always liked turians. I guess most people don't roleplay their Shepards to the extremes of replaying lots of game time because two words don't fit in with what Shepard would say though. I've even replayed the Benezia battle because I didn't like the order MaleShep chose his "Investigate" options in, since I forgot to save right after her talk.

[J4N3_M3]

Kim Shepard wrote...

I'm still trying to figure out what kind of hilarious expression my MaleShep would use in place of "My God!" xD Because he's eccentric, and he needs one.

I know that asari comment can be taken a few different ways, but none of them would work for my FemSheps. It's just not their way of speaking, to say something that implies everyone thinks a certain way when they don't even think that way themselves. Technically, it's not in character for MainShep to invite Liara up to her room for a conversation either. (Does that have to happen?) The other problem would be the "I never expected" to fall for a turian part. She's always liked turians. I guess most people don't roleplay their Shepards to the extremes of replaying lots of game time because two words don't fit in with what Shepard would say though. I've even replayed the Benezia battle because I didn't like the order MaleShep chose his "Investigate" options in, since I forgot to save right after her talk.

no you don't have to invite Liara up to your quarters. It is an option you have if you choose to talk about "us" 

[Kim Shepard]

Then if I had the DLC, that's what MainShep would do. xD MaleShep too, considering his history of being trap romanced. I can just imagine his outburst about this. "No, I am not letting her back on the Normandy! And why am I still working for TIM?!" MaleShep's paranoia level would go through the roof.

MainShep's reasons are more simple. She didn't talk to Liara much, so the trap romance didn't happen. She's still mad at her for calling Saren "that turian bastard." She does like TIM though.

[Hazzel42]

To go back to the Turian face markings.. if you look at some of the brighter ones (white on a dark back ground) it seems to me that they aren't perfectly coloured in like you'd expect in a tattoo but more like surface application like paint.

[Lemonwizard]

JulianP wrote...

Collider wrote...

Lemon is notorious for his threads and his clever humor. He is also gay for Garrus. I approve.

Hmmm.  No relation to LemonDemon on Youtube who makes Potter Puppet Pals and dirty-minded Sesame Street Count?

No, there is no connection.


But good to meet you!

[Kim Shepard]

Hazzel42 wrote...

To go back to the Turian face markings.. if you look at some of the brighter ones (white on a dark back ground) it seems to me that they aren't perfectly coloured in like you'd expect in a tattoo but more like surface application like paint.

I haven't noticed. It could be because some turians have faceplates that look "cracked," which could give the tattoo that appearance as well. Which turians do you mean, exactly? Nihlus and the turian councillor, who have white markings? It would help if I knew whose screenshots to search for.

[Xalena]

Some terrible thing just came on my mind... I was imagining Garrus and Shepard near bed of his diening mother... She tells Shepard to leave room...she then talks to Garrus and asks to fullfill her last death wish........................to break up with Shepard!

NoOOOOoooooOOOooo

[Kim Shepard]

I don't think Garrus would do it. Remember when he said that he was going to reapply for Spectre training and he said "it'll probably kill my father, but I have to try"? He's learning to do what he wants and what's best for him, even if his family doesn't always agree with it.

[Hazzel42]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Hazzel42 wrote...

To go back to the Turian face markings.. if you look at some of the brighter ones (white on a dark back ground) it seems to me that they aren't perfectly coloured in like you'd expect in a tattoo but more like surface application like paint.

I haven't noticed. It could be because some turians have faceplates that look "cracked," which could give the tattoo that appearance as well. Which turians do you mean, exactly? Nihlus and the turian councillor, who have white markings? It would help if I knew whose screenshots to search for.

I'll go see if I can find some screen shots.  Give me a minute

EDIT: http://images3.wikia...ncil_member.png

http://www.mobygames.../28/682378.jpeg

Modifié par Hazzel42, 09 septembre 2010 - 08:52 .

[Pacifien]

Hello! I just wanted to direct your attention for a moment to the new introduction to the forum with an outline of the purposes of this forum now that it has been separated from the strategy discussion.

You have discussion of your favorite character going fairly well, but I'd also encourage you guys to present any fan-created works about the series to your other forumites!

[Sialater]

Pacifien wrote...

Hello! I just wanted to direct your attention for a moment to the new introduction to the forum with an outline of the purposes of this forum now that it has been separated from the strategy discussion.

You have discussion of your favorite character going fairly well, but I'd also encourage you guys to present any fan-created works about the series to your other forumites!

So... is this now like the DA:O boards' Community Creations site?

[J4N3_M3]

this is bioware's subtle way to tell us, we've been discussion too much of everything in here and too little of what this thread is actually about. -.-

[Kim Shepard]

I saw that a new strategy forum was created. That's good, it's an answer for everyone who wanted character and strategy discussion separate.

@Hazzel42: It does have a certain "worn down" look. That might have to do with whatever method the turians use to get the markings on their face. If it's a tattoo, and their faces tend to get a worn or cracked look with age, the same would happen to the tattoo. Facepaint would wear off the same way, just much quicker. The answer would be in their method of applying the ink/paint, but I doubt we'll ever be told that much detail. It could even be somewhere in between facepaint and tattoo. I imagine that a tattoo the way humans know them would be hard to give to a turian, at least on the metallic plates. Who knows? Their form of a tattoo could just be permanent facepaint. xD

[Pacifien]

Sialater wrote...
So... is this now like the DA:O boards' Community Creations site?

It was always listed as the place to put fan created works, actually. It's not like the DA:O forum, though. Both character discussion and fan created works go here.

[Sialater]

Pacifien wrote...

Sialater wrote...
So... is this now like the DA:O boards' Community Creations site?

It was always listed as the place to put fan created works, actually. It's not like the DA:O forum, though. Both character discussion and fan created works go here.

Heh, no wonder we nor the KAST got shut down for discussing fic then.

[JulianP]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

this is bioware's subtle way to tell us, we've been discussion too much of everything in here and too little of what this thread is actually about. -.-

Actually, the wording sounded to me like we were discussing well and that we are encouraged to draw moar pictures?

[Reptilian Rob]

Fia1618 wrote...

Because Garrus needs them.

I shall upload these to the group!

He still needs more hugs though, much more.

[JulianP]

Kim Shepard wrote...

 It could even be somewhere in between facepaint and tattoo. I imagine that a tattoo the way humans know them would be hard to give to a turian, at least on the metallic plates. Who knows? Their form of a tattoo could just be permanent facepaint. xD

The surfaces of the plates look to me like a sort of tough hide with miniscule metallic particles suspended in it.  Might still be tattooable even though I'm in the facepaint camp for now, but the ink would have to not react with the metal??

Now this is surely idle speculation, but I always wondered why Garrus' scars look reddish rather than bluish.  Wouldn't blue make more sense?  Or maybe some of the metal oxidized on contact with the atmosphere and "rusted" on him?

[Reptilian Rob]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

If he doesn't talk to someone close, he's going to hurt himself more than talking to someone close. 

I'm betting that in ME3 he will have some sort of emotional breakdown and we will have to "save" him somehow. 

doesn't necessarily need to be an emotional breakdown....there's always alcohol, red sand, gambling.....other addictions....

All of these things would be bad news for Garrus....