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[Faerlyte]

Oh good, I'm glad it's something new. *Whew*



I have a serious problem with feeling deja vu about things I know never happened, and yet...maybe they did? Sigh...thanks!



I'll try to whip something up for Garrus at some point, but I can't make any promises because I'm a procrastinator of the highest order. Especially when it comes to drawing.

[TheodoricFriede]

Faerlyte wrote...

Well, if we need more turians than here's my awesomely bad pencil drawing of "quotations" council member. I drew from a refrence though...I seriously need to try something more original for the Mass Effect Universe.

faerlyte.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d1a5ieh

EDIT: I seriously hope I haven't posted this before and my memory is so bad that I forgot, because that would be embarrassing.

...If you actually think that picture "bad" then you're being far to hard on yourself. I think its pretty awesome. Very detailed. All thats missing are two three fingered hands doing air quotes on either side of the head and it would be like hes in the room with you....judging you.

[Faerlyte]

I know, seriously. I may have to draw an air quotes version, or at least try.



I don't think it's bad per say - I just don't want to take myself too seriously. I was proud of it when I finished. But I spend so much time on DeviantArt looking at artwork that's more detailed, cleaner, and just better than mine, that I start to second guess myself. I don't think my work is up to the same standard and that kind of disappoints me...buuut I really only have myself to blame because I don't practice enough, bleh.



Thanks though!

[Reptilian Rob]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

  Don't you cry...garrus

On the contrary, I think he needs a good cry!

He almost did in that car on the Citadel, he almost did......


@Faerlyte I don't really see why you called your penciling "bad." That's one of the best Turian drawings I've seen on this site! Great job.

Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 12 septembre 2010 - 08:24 .

[General Ashous]

I think that he may have had that good cry in the car, after Shepard gets out. I think that he probably sat in that car for a moment, lost in his thoughts, then had a quick cry and roar to let it all out and then got back to the job, like all turians seem to do.

[J4N3_M3]

Yeah I don't really want him to be all cry-baby in the game or DLC. I mean, all the stuff about him is emotional enough. I don't need his tears. They'd make it a bit too much.

[Mr Heatsink]

Well, ai9 believe that he needs to show soemthing. A person can only take so much. But even if he was to get a hug from Shepard I would be content with that.
 
SPOILER!!!!!

I mean Tali and Liara got a hug and even kaiden (if you romanced him) but not garrus and by Shepards own admission she wanted to give him something better. Maybe something in the lair of the shadow broker but maybe something in future DLC? It would probably be funny not to mention sweet. Garrus not knowing what Shepard is doing, Shepard explaining it him and then the awkwardness of it. Garrus being all innocent and Shepard swanting to help.

END OF SPOILER!!!!!!

At any rate theres a lot to put in ME 3 and I believe that the romance will be the main plot point or one of. I really want to see what Al jilanni does with this. I have put of punching her.....sor far.

[Steel Dancer]

Much crying is noted. Antidote needed.

[REMspace]

This pic is fun! This is a scene from the movie "E.T."...



Garrus seems helpless as a child...

[Xalena]

@ Steel Dancer

omg xD! That is soo funny *save as*
thanks!

Garrus really needs hugs and kisses in dlcs/Me3 just as Shepard from him too
I want that he shows his feelings about Shepard that he goes crazy for Shepard like  Septimus for that Asari in Me1 ... or that would be too out of char for him? I want him say I love you. I know that some people wouldn't mind even if he doesn't say that but still... My Shep would feel strange and not very secure about their relationship. I wish that Garrus confess how he already had eye on Shep in Me1 but he wasn't sure of it and then bring on LI with who you been if you did maybe. I want him even to show some jealousy...

I am afraid of ,that in the end he will be/or was with Shepard only because he feels like he owes/owed that to Shepard because our Shepard will just fix fix fix things and babysite him. First that Salarian Doctor in Me1, then yada yada about his father, C-sec, Sidonis, Dead Teamates, then now his mother. That mother thing will come sooner or later and then we will need to do something again for him probably... I started to not like this if you understand me... I want that he likes Shepard more than of that what she did for him and who is she, that he really wants and have attraction to Shepard not because she is only real friend to him in the Galaxy... and ofc that he stays with Shepard not only because he doesn't have anywhere to go and go on suicide mission because he feels suicidal with thinking how he doesn't have anything in his life to loose or people who wouldn't mourn for his death. And yes please no more Shepard's shadows on Garrus. I think that he should be more confident after suicide mission. I hope that I will see this in Me3... I want rich deep exp with Garrus...it is the last tale of Shepard and probably of Garrus in this triology. I want to be totally blown away like reading some really good book or watching best romance movie ever in cinema. Even maybe put some little tears on my eyes... Yes I know... I overdosed now but Garrus is really my favourite char and I see many potentional what they can do with him and Shepard.

Hmm do I ask too much maybe? xD Maybe I do...but

I am writing this down because LotSb made me thinking and this romance with Liara and how you can then cheat your Me2 LI with her... and then they preparing "something special" for Virmire survivors in the future... I don't want that Garrus romance finish like friends with benefits and that Me1 LIs were only true LIs to our Shepards... Then they said once  "With who you started your relationship, doesn't mean that your Shep will finish with that person"? hmm? Made me abit worry... this seems and sounds like it can happen against our will.

I am afraid that Garrus will turn his back, saying something how it is best that they stick with their races or that some Turian chick will be best for him cos he will become maybe some political important figure on Palaven so he doesn't want to risk... I would be very sad panda... I get feeling that something similar could happen to those who romanced Tali maybe. I hope that you people understand me what I wrote here and maybe feel same... anyway sorry cos lot of text.

Edit: And yes...How could I forgot ....Bromance in dlc/Me3 !

Modifié par Xalena, 12 septembre 2010 - 05:28 .

[lovgreno]

Buggirl70 wrote...

Faerlyte wrote...

Well, if we need more turians than here's my awesomely bad pencil drawing of "quotations" council member. I drew from a refrence though...I seriously need to try something more original for the Mass Effect Universe.

faerlyte.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d1a5ieh

EDIT: I seriously hope I haven't posted this before and my memory is so bad that I forgot, because that would be embarrassing.

I haven't seen that one Faerlyte, and I have to say it's pretty bloody good.  Well done!

I wish I could draw turians!

Oh yeah, very good. He radiates self confidence and power.
I got to say turians are among the hardest things I have tried drawing.

[Eradyn]

Xalena wrote...

@ Steel Dancer

omg xD! That is soo funny *save as*
thanks!

Garrus really needs hugs and kisses in dlcs/Me3 just as Shepard from him too
I want that he shows his feelings about Shepard that he goes crazy for Shepard like  Septimus for that Asari in Me1 ... or that would be too out of char for him? I want him say I love you. I know that some people wouldn't mind even if he doesn't say that but still... My Shep would feel strange and not very secure about their relationship. I wish that Garrus confess how he already had eye on Shep in Me1 but he wasn't sure of it and then bring on LI with who you been if you did maybe. I want him even to show some jealousy...

I am afraid of ,that in the end he will be/or was with Shepard only because he feels like he owes/owed that to Shepard because our Shepard will just fix fix fix things and babysite him. First that Salarian Doctor in Me1, then yada yada about his father, C-sec, Sidonis, Dead Teamates, then now his mother. That mother thing will come sooner or later and then we will need to do something again for him probably... I started to not like this if you understand me... I want that he likes Shepard more than of that what she did for him and who is she, that he really wants and have attraction to Shepard not because she is only real friend to him in the Galaxy... and ofc that he stays with Shepard not only because he doesn't have anywhere to go and go on suicide mission because he feels suicidal with thinking how he doesn't have anything in his life to loose or people who wouldn't mourn for his death. And yes please no more Shepard's shadows on Garrus. I think that he should be more confident after suicide mission. I hope that I will see this in Me3... I want rich deep exp with Garrus...it is the last tale of Shepard and probably of Garrus in this triology. I want to be totally blown away like reading some really good book or watching best romance movie ever in cinema. Even maybe put some little tears on my eyes... Yes I know... I overdosed now but Garrus is really my favourite char and I see many potentional what they can do with him and Shepard.

Hmm do I ask too much maybe? xD Maybe I do...but

I am writing this down because LotSb made me thinking and this romance with Liara and how you can then cheat your Me2 LI with her... and then they preparing "something special" for Virmire survivors in the future... I don't want that Garrus romance finish like friends with benefits and that Me1 LIs were only true LIs to our Shepards... Then they said once  "With who you started your relationship, doesn't mean that your Shep will finish with that person"? hmm? Made me abit worry... this seems and sounds like it can happen against our will.

I am afraid that Garrus will turn his back, saying something how it is best that they stick with their races or that some Turian chick will be best for him cos he will become maybe some political important figure on Palaven so he doesn't want to risk... I would be very sad panda... I get feeling that something similar could happen to those who romanced Tali maybe. I hope that you people understand me what I wrote here and maybe feel same... anyway sorry cos lot of text.

Edit: And yes...How could I forgot ....Bromance in dlc/Me3 !

You know, I actually DON'T want him to say "I love you."  I want him to SHOW it.  Maybe I'm just more cynical/world-weary than the average person, but "I love you" has no weight with me.  It's too...forced.  Cheap.  Shallow.  It's just something people say because it's easy and it's expected.  It's so much more meaningful and deep when someone shows you in their actions and indirect words that they love you.  When they comfort you, stand beside you, pick you up when you fall and help carry you when you're too weary to stand on your own...when their actions show the level and depth of their concern and love for you, that's when it means something to me. 

"I love you" can't possibly encompass the depth and breadth of what I would like to see develop between femShep and Garrus.  I want it to be natural, like breathing air.  I want it to be something spoken when they look at each other across a battlefield, or run to the other's aid in a firefight.  I want it in a simple embrace, in a touch.  I want it showing in how they banter and joke and tease each other.

I don't want the Garrus romance to culminate in a spoken "I love you" or some other cheesy romance cliche.  I want their love for each other to culminate in and with a buildup and continuation of meaningful actions and interactions where the words are said without being said.  I don't know if this makes sense to others, I'm just trying to pull the jumbled mess out of my head.

Garrus isn't shallow to me...I don't think he's the type to jump in a relationship with Shepard (especially when he isn't "into" humans) and then drop her for a female turian.  That's just not Garrus.  Garrus is better than that and his behaviors, selflessness, and deep and abiding respect for Shepard convince me of that.  I also don't think he's in a relationship with her just because he feels forced to be.  Shepard can actually bring that up with Garrus and HE makes it clear it isn't that he feels forced (uncomfortable)...he's just nervous.  He cares about Shepard.  He never thought of a romantic relationship before...probably because it was so outside the realm of "possibility" for him that he just simply never thought of it to begin with.  Again as he stated, he doesn't have a fetish for humans...but he does care about Shepard.  And while he might be nervous around her, and doesn't want to screw it up, he really does want it to work...for "something to go right, just once."

Modifié par Eradyn, 12 septembre 2010 - 06:07 .

[Kim Shepard]

I don't really see Garrus as the type to cry. He's strong enough to handle it, even when most of the stuff in his life is going wrong, and that's one of the things I like about him. It's almost like he learned a lot more from one of my Shepards than the game shows, with the way he dealt with the death of his team, stood his ground on Omega and kept fighting, then went after the guy who betrayed him and killed him (in my game of course, right after he said "I learned from the best"). Like I've said before, I don't think every character needs an emotional breakdown. It would be unrealistic if he didn't react at all, but it already shows in his actions and the things he says. Garrus doesn't need tears to show that he's going through a hard time.

It would be cute to hear Garrus say "I love you" (my Shepard who romanced him would certainly have no trouble saying it), but I also agree with Eradyn. Many pages back, there was an idea that Garrus could tell Shepard that she was the best thing that ever happened to him, or something like that. As long as they get their happy ending in ME3.

Modifié par Kim Shepard, 12 septembre 2010 - 07:08 .

[J4N3_M3]

Eradyn wrote...

Xalena wrote...

@ Steel Dancer

omg xD! That is soo funny *save as*
thanks!

Garrus really needs hugs and kisses in dlcs/Me3 just as Shepard from him too
I want that he shows his feelings about Shepard that he goes crazy for Shepard like  Septimus for that Asari in Me1 ... or that would be too out of char for him? I want him say I love you. I know that some people wouldn't mind even if he doesn't say that but still... My Shep would feel strange and not very secure about their relationship. I wish that Garrus confess how he already had eye on Shep in Me1 but he wasn't sure of it and then bring on LI with who you been if you did maybe. I want him even to show some jealousy...

I am afraid of ,that in the end he will be/or was with Shepard only because he feels like he owes/owed that to Shepard because our Shepard will just fix fix fix things and babysite him. First that Salarian Doctor in Me1, then yada yada about his father, C-sec, Sidonis, Dead Teamates, then now his mother. That mother thing will come sooner or later and then we will need to do something again for him probably... I started to not like this if you understand me... I want that he likes Shepard more than of that what she did for him and who is she, that he really wants and have attraction to Shepard not because she is only real friend to him in the Galaxy... and ofc that he stays with Shepard not only because he doesn't have anywhere to go and go on suicide mission because he feels suicidal with thinking how he doesn't have anything in his life to loose or people who wouldn't mourn for his death. And yes please no more Shepard's shadows on Garrus. I think that he should be more confident after suicide mission. I hope that I will see this in Me3... I want rich deep exp with Garrus...it is the last tale of Shepard and probably of Garrus in this triology. I want to be totally blown away like reading some really good book or watching best romance movie ever in cinema. Even maybe put some little tears on my eyes... Yes I know... I overdosed now but Garrus is really my favourite char and I see many potentional what they can do with him and Shepard.

Hmm do I ask too much maybe? xD Maybe I do...but

I am writing this down because LotSb made me thinking and this romance with Liara and how you can then cheat your Me2 LI with her... and then they preparing "something special" for Virmire survivors in the future... I don't want that Garrus romance finish like friends with benefits and that Me1 LIs were only true LIs to our Shepards... Then they said once  "With who you started your relationship, doesn't mean that your Shep will finish with that person"? hmm? Made me abit worry... this seems and sounds like it can happen against our will.

I am afraid that Garrus will turn his back, saying something how it is best that they stick with their races or that some Turian chick will be best for him cos he will become maybe some political important figure on Palaven so he doesn't want to risk... I would be very sad panda... I get feeling that something similar could happen to those who romanced Tali maybe. I hope that you people understand me what I wrote here and maybe feel same... anyway sorry cos lot of text.

Edit: And yes...How could I forgot ....Bromance in dlc/Me3 !

You know, I actually DON'T want him to say "I love you."  I want him to SHOW it.  Maybe I'm just more cynical/world-weary than the average person, but "I love you" has no weight with me.  It's too...forced.  Cheap.  Shallow.  It's just something people say because it's easy and it's expected.  It's so much more meaningful and deep when someone shows you in their actions and indirect words that they love you.  When they comfort you, stand beside you, pick you up when you fall and help carry you when you're too weary to stand on your own...when their actions show the level and depth of their concern and love for you, that's when it means something to me. 

"I love you" can't possibly encompass the depth and breadth of what I would like to see develop between femShep and Garrus.  I want it to be natural, like breathing air.  I want it to be something spoken when they look at each other across a battlefield, or run to the other's aid in a firefight.  I want it in a simple embrace, in a touch.  I want it showing in how they banter and joke and tease each other.

I don't want the Garrus romance to culminate in a spoken "I love you" or some other cheesy romance cliche.  I want their love for each other to culminate in and with a buildup and continuation of meaningful actions and interactions where the words are said without being said.  I don't know if this makes sense to others, I'm just trying to pull the jumbled mess out of my head.

Garrus isn't shallow to me...I don't think he's the type to jump in a relationship with Shepard (especially when he isn't "into" humans) and then drop her for a female turian.  That's just not Garrus.  Garrus is better than that and his behaviors, selflessness, and deep and abiding respect for Shepard convince me of that.  I also don't think he's in a relationship with her just because he feels forced to be.  Shepard can actually bring that up with Garrus and HE makes it clear it isn't that he feels forced (uncomfortable)...he's just nervous.  He cares about Shepard.  He never thought of a romantic relationship before...probably because it was so outside the realm of "possibility" for him that he just simply never thought of it to begin with.  Again as he stated, he doesn't have a fetish for humans...but he does care about Shepard.  And while he might be nervous around her, and doesn't want to screw it up, he really does want it to work...for "something to go right, just once."

I can understand where you're coming from, yet I do believe, that the L-word is something, Garrus wouldn't use in the regular kinda way. At least, I can't see him doing that. He's more the "you're the first woman I am completely serious about" kinda guy, to me that is. Others may see this differently. Although I am a complete sucker for romance stuff, I have trouble with such confessions as well and none of my Sheps would run around telling that to any guy. It takes more for them. The FemShep line in the Liara DLC is perfect. Confessing love without actually saying I love you.....awesome sauce! perfect for me! 

[Xalena]

I totally agree with you Eradyn ...you are in right, I want that aswell just didn't want to write a book here about it... Actually I wrote that he shows his feelings, I mean it under that, I pull this my wish with "I love you" I just want that my Shep feel secure about relationship, that she doesn't end delusional or something, imaging some things from what really it is and then get hurted or something.
You deserved this for nice writting
I rly wish that they do all this. Don't take me wrong I am ok with Garrus in Me2, I don't complain but I want better, improved just like Liara romance in Lotsb.
Would be great that Garrus asks about you, maybe about Earth. That would be cool aswell... that he shows interest that is just not Reapers, Reapers...etc etc

Modifié par Xalena, 12 septembre 2010 - 07:27 .

[Kim Shepard]

My Shepard who romanced him isn't from Earth... and asking about Mindoir would just cause an "I hate batarians" rant. There's a reason why this Shepard can relate so well to Saren. xD

[Cocytus]

Garrus needs a good cry, eh?

Perhaps, he's endured far more than enough to deserve it. But wouldn't you rather have your Shep keep him from having to? I mean, I almost completely agree with Ms Eradyn that their relationships should evolve into something more intimate, more meaningful. Then again, saing that love is measured in deeds, not words would imply that a real display of love requires a certain sacrifice to be made, either a sacrifice of time, neurons or something other than that (if you're getting my drift). Should that be the case, won't Shep have to reconsider her current stance on their bond?

Alright, all the aforesaid sounds just wrong...

The thing is, he does deserve better, we have tried so hard to deliver the boy throughout the two movements of the odyssey, and what do we get? A few lines, dewy eyes and a future that we may not like. So my point is: Garrus über alles. That's what My Shep and I told Liara. That's been my Shep's super-idea in the play. The turian is fragile like glass, and that's why we like him (if you forgive the allusion).

[Xalena]

Kim Shepard wrote...

My Shepard who romanced him isn't from Earth... and asking about Mindoir would just cause an "I hate batarians" rant. There's a reason why this Shepard can relate so well to Saren. xD

My main is Spacer xD... Shepard and Garrus would probably end with talking about their mothers >.>...ouch......hmm

[Eradyn]

Action is at the heart of truly loving someone. Big actions and small actions are integral...words are easy, actions...not so much. I think Garrus and Shepard have a good foothold to go off of in that regard. I'd like to see such optional actions become available in ME3 to help deepen the relationship. I know ME isn't a dating sim, but it would go a long way toward enriching relationships. Heck, even friendship paths should have small side things that can be said or done to reaffirm or evolve the relationship.



Getting back to Garrus...



Personally, I've always seen Garrus as a rock. He's strong enough to take the garbage the universe keeps throwing at him. He feels it, he's fed up with it, but he's strong enough to take it and not break. I like that about him, that he isn't going to collapse in a puddle of tears or "shatter." If there's one thing I've never seen in Garrus, it is fragility. Uncertainty? Yes. Nervousness? Yes. Exhaustion? Yes. But if he can take rejection (from Shepard even), if he can take collectors, if he can take betrayal and loss, if he can take his mother's deteriorating condition, if he can bear being a pariah for his family's sake and the galaxy's, if he can do all that he still refuses to break...that speaks a lot about him as a person. He has an iron will in many ways and it would not be like him to break down in tears. So no, I do not want to see crying Garrus. XD



I don't want to see Garrus broken down and sobbing. That would be so...unlike him. But I DEFINITELY want to see him and Shepard share a warm, comforting embrace. At the very least, that guy deserves a really big hug.

[Cocytus]

It wasn't that kind of fragility, really. I propose we look at the issue from a different angle, that is see the contradictions embedded in the character (for they make him great). See, Garrus's story is all about justice and it's perception, really. And that brings about a series of questions from the field of ethics. When I said that he is fragile I did not, by no means, imply that his psyche is deteriorating (which may be true if the Bioware writers suddenly wish to turn the franchise into an existential play). On the other hand, his path has been that of balancing on a rope. The very ideals he sought so faithfully to protect and instill in the universe nearly got crushed under the weight of that selfish thirst for revenge. Mind you, strength does not come from stepping on people's necks or sniping them far out.

Edit: We should bear in mind that such issues have everything to do with the set of values and views that each player has acquired in the course of life. You don't fancy Dostoyevsky? Then let's agree to differ.  Then again, there is no analysis without dialogue. Only in dialogue are these kinds of questions acknowledged in full 3-D.

Modifié par Cocytus, 12 septembre 2010 - 08:02 .

[Xalena]

Would be cool that in Garrus files we found this
xD

Mother Vakarian, made by Garrus when he was turian kid xD...
Damn we would get some little insight how female turians look like : )))))
Missed oportunity Bioware! xD

[Eradyn]

Cocytus wrote...

It wasn't that kind of fragility, really. I propose we look at the issue from a different angle, that is see the contradictions embedded in the character (for they make him great). See, Garrus's story is all about justice and it's perception, really. And that brings about a series of questions from the field of ethics. When I said that he is fragile I did not, by no means, imply that his psyche is deteriorating (which may be true if the Bioware writers suddenly wish to turn the franchise into an existential play). On the other hand, his path has been that of balancing on a rope. The very ideals he sought so faithfully to protect and instill in the universe nearly got crushed under the weight of that selfish thirst for revenge. Mind you, strength does not come from stepping on people's necks or sniping them far out.

I think I see what you are saying in that the fragility you mean is more how he almost destroyed himself (allowing the thirst for revenge to consume him), vs "emotional/psychological" fragility.

In that sense, yes, he almost allowed himself to destroy himself and it was Shepard who helped pull him from that ledge (or helped him fulfil that drive).

[Reptilian Rob]

Xalena wrote...

Would be cool that in Garrus files we found this
xD

Mother Vakarian, made by Garrus when he was turian kid xD...
Damn we would get some little insight how female turians look like : )))))
Missed oportunity Bioware! xD

Haha!

[Cocytus]

Eradyn wrote...

Cocytus wrote...

It wasn't that kind of fragility, really. I propose we look at the issue from a different angle, that is see the contradictions embedded in the character (for they make him great). See, Garrus's story is all about justice and it's perception, really. And that brings about a series of questions from the field of ethics. When I said that he is fragile I did not, by no means, imply that his psyche is deteriorating (which may be true if the Bioware writers suddenly wish to turn the franchise into an existential play). On the other hand, his path has been that of balancing on a rope. The very ideals he sought so faithfully to protect and instill in the universe nearly got crushed under the weight of that selfish thirst for revenge. Mind you, strength does not come from stepping on people's necks or sniping them far out.

I think I see what you are saying in that the fragility you mean is more how he almost destroyed himself (allowing the thirst for revenge to consume him), vs "emotional/psychological" fragility.

In that sense, yes, he almost allowed himself to destroy himself and it was Shepard who helped pull him from that ledge (or helped him fulfil that drive).

YES! That's what I've been talking about. You see, he's still yet to form his personal comprehension of the universe, and things present in it. Let's remember how pure he was at the start, that's the fragile thing we shield, that's what makes him so fascinating, that's what we shall not allow to be stepped upon, even if he himself is willing to give it up. If it's gone then what remains?

Edit: I see Sir Robert's sense of humor is as bright as ever. The image still features too few hugs.

Modifié par Cocytus, 12 septembre 2010 - 08:09 .

[Eradyn]

Cocytus wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

Cocytus wrote...

It wasn't that kind of fragility, really. I propose we look at the issue from a different angle, that is see the contradictions embedded in the character (for they make him great). See, Garrus's story is all about justice and it's perception, really. And that brings about a series of questions from the field of ethics. When I said that he is fragile I did not, by no means, imply that his psyche is deteriorating (which may be true if the Bioware writers suddenly wish to turn the franchise into an existential play). On the other hand, his path has been that of balancing on a rope. The very ideals he sought so faithfully to protect and instill in the universe nearly got crushed under the weight of that selfish thirst for revenge. Mind you, strength does not come from stepping on people's necks or sniping them far out.

I think I see what you are saying in that the fragility you mean is more how he almost destroyed himself (allowing the thirst for revenge to consume him), vs "emotional/psychological" fragility.

In that sense, yes, he almost allowed himself to destroy himself and it was Shepard who helped pull him from that ledge (or helped him fulfil that drive).

YES! That's what I've been talking about. You see, he's still yet to form his personal comprehension of the universe, and things present in it. Let's remember how pure he was at the start, that's the fragile thing we shield, that's what makes him so fascinating, that's what we shall not allow to be stepped upon, even if he himself is willing to give it up. If it's gone then what remains?

What is left is a changed man, scarred on the inside as well as the outside.  Whether the player could accept him being changed is another matter, and I wonder if even he would have liked what he'd see in the mirror (Garrus: "You don't have to agree with me, Shepard.  I'll make the decision, I'll live with the consequences.").

His ability to hold fast to the values he had in ME1 (as shaky as that was then) is still tenuous...I think in ME2 it is more resolved after his loyalty mission where Shepard can urge him to not go down that path or to encourage him to.  I look forward to seeing how this resolution plays out in his character development in ME3...and I truly hope BW does explore this path.  Not so much that Shepard changed him for him, like a person playing with putty, but to let him be his own person having changed by his own power after considering the opinions of a dear friend/lover.