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J4N3_M3 wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...


I can't hear garrus saying "I love you" either but maybe "you're the best thing that ever happened to me" . And if he were to use the L word it wouldn't be cliché, maybe he'd say it in a humorous way "A turian vigilante and a human commander fall in love while saving the galaxy...sometimes I think I'm living in a space opera"


OMG SO THIS!!!!!!! xD that's like the best line for BK to deliver lol.


I third this.  :wub:

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I don't think it would be too much at all. I too love Septimus, he reminds me a lot of me. I think he and Sha'ira would make a great couple but I think his military career must take priority. Think of the troops, they couldn't have high morale without having him on their side cracking all the jokes.


Aww, the poor sucker just wants to retire.  I wonder if his troops know he's hanging out in this strip bar acting like a teenager ^_^

He has this one line about how "her lies have been bothering me for days" or something.  Sounds like he thinks she led him on?  (In which case I could see where he's coming from - I hate the way Sha'ira is all touchy-feely one moment and then cold and businesslike with Shepard.  Creeps me out.)

Anyway.  I can haz Septimus vids and Septimus x Sha'ira fics?  :wub:

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Sialater wrote...

J4N3_M3 wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...


I can't hear garrus saying "I love you" either but maybe "you're the best thing that ever happened to me" . And if he were to use the L word it wouldn't be cliché, maybe he'd say it in a humorous way "A turian vigilante and a human commander fall in love while saving the galaxy...sometimes I think I'm living in a space opera"


OMG SO THIS!!!!!!! xD that's like the best line for BK to deliver lol.


I third this.  :wub:


Me too!  Me too!  <3 I can almost hear him saying it if I close my eyes really tight and listen really hard :lol:

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Heh. Not many good things have happened to Garrus at all, so Shepard being the best thing isn't exactly setting the bar high.



BUT, he'd mean it the right way, I suspect. :)

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So do you think Garrus has any other siblings besides his sister? For some reason I always kind of thought he had a brother.

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I have a very long article about how I think Garrus' emotions/feelings should play out in ME3. Still working on it, but as of now it's a pretty big endeavor.

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It is difficult for me to imagine a scenario where Garrus would use the L-word (lesbians?) but that's what the BW writers are for; I think they did a great job with Alistair in DA:O, and he's equal parts as awkward in love as Garrus is.  In fact, I could see Garrus just spitting it out in an Alistair-fashion...in this particular clip Alistair even talks about how he appreciates how you helped him with his sister, ha!  Copy and paste into ME3, Bioware, and problem solved!  :wizard:

I love Septimus.  And Lorik.  Any turian that doesn't appear to have a stick up his butt, which seems to be the default mode, is appreciated by me.  Though to be fair, even the ones with sticks are appreciated by me...

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I think the deal with Septimus is, he wanted Sha'ira to be his girlfriend/fiance and to be with him exclusively (ie "to be more than she could be") and she was like "my job requires me to share intimacy with many different people, I am needed in this role, and I can't/won't just quit my job to be your exclusive partner/homemaker.")



I think Septimus could easily see himself as the cavalry riding in to the rescue only to find that Sha'ira did not WANT a rescue...she LIKES her job!



Then he feels frustrated that he's just one more of Sha'ira's friends/clients and not her hero....so he starts snapping back at her and getting depressed over too much booze.

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Tootles FTW wrote...

It is difficult for me to imagine a scenario where Garrus would use the L-word (lesbians?)

HAHAHAHA!  Now I can hear Garrus saying, "Shepard, I am totally in lesbians with you!" in Scott Pilgrim style, and then later, quietly hitting his head against his calibrations console, "I said 'lesbians.'"

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Here's some of what I have been thinking about regarding Garrus after the DLC came out. Sorry if somebody else already brought this up but I haven't been on in like four hundred years and I don't really want to to burrow through four hundred pages of new stuff to see if somebody may have mentioned this. This will be a MONSTROUS wall o' text. Sorry.

LotSB Spoilers!!!

Does anybody else think Garrus may not have quit Spectre training or C-Sec? He never expressly says "I quit." He always phrases it like "it didn't work out" or "I couldn't really help" or "nobody was willing to take risks." (Post ME1 I meant.) What the crap does that mean? It could mean "I got sick of the inaction and decided I could do more elsewhere so I quit and went to Omega." It could also mean "I wouldn't shut up about the Reapers. I wouldn't shut up about Shepard and just follow orders and the official types didn't like me so they booted me because I wouldn't cooperate. Then I just kind of ended up on Omega." His sister says he "lost" his C-Sec job. Now that could just be what he told his family or maybe he told his family nothing because he knew they wouldn't approve and so they just filled in some blanks on their own. It's obvious they don't know about Omega. I guess that email has to be really vague because it is possible Shep never recruited Garrus. I never thought of that. In that case, the C-Sec job that Garrus "lost" must be the one in ME1 because that's the only one that makes sense in everybody's game. This is all really interesting to me.

Anyway, this isn't proof that Garrus "lost" his position, but there is nothing in the game presently contradicting that either. Also, Garrus lists "my work at C-Sec" in the same list of "things that went wrong" as he does with Sidonis. His work at C-Sec is as big a disappointment as Sidonis? He thinks of Sidonis as a kind of personal failure and by extension his whole expedition on Omega as a failure. He even says "nothing I did even put a dent in this." Leaving C-Sec seems like one of the things he was most sure about, even paragon Garrus. But what if his leaving wasn't entirely his own fault? I could see how he might regard that as a kind of failure and I could also see why it would make him very angry. ME2 Garrus is two things: disappointed that he can't make a difference and very angry at the obstacles that mess up his plans to that end. Granted he could also see quitting his position that way as that will disappoint his father and it means he devoted a good part of his life and energy to something that didn't make him happy or make a large difference. What it doesn't account for as much is his anger. I think that is something he really wants to do. He wants to make a difference in some dramatic, lasting way that isn't abstract. And not being able to makes him miserable.

Add to this the problem that he does his best work under Shepard but he is actually good leadership material himself. He wants to lead but whenever he tries something goes wrong, something he couldn't help or foresee. It made me feel kind of parasitic. I mean, Garrus deserves to not be overshadowed. On the other hand, he's in a really dark place and needs help and Shep can help him. But Shep is also such a strong personality that she can't help but smother him. Even Liara expressed frustration about that in LotSB. I think part of the reason she doesn't come back is because she doesn't want to be the sort who is cowering behind crates while Shep is fighting the krogan battlemaster. Being the Shadow Broker is something that she can do that Shep couldn't. She's smart and sensible and wants to prove that independently of Shep.

I think Garrus wants that too but add the problem that his skills are kind of similar to Shep's: leading and shooting. What can he do that Shep couldn't potentially do better? And whenever he tries, it always falls through somehow. Shep was also like a mentor to him so failing isn't just a reflection on him. It almost becomes a reflection on Shepard. This is compounded by the way turians think. Shepard seemed to think that Garrus was up to the task, and Garrus thinks he failed. I can see his reluctance to admit that to Shepard for multiple reasons. I always thought his explanation for his time on Omega was a large bit of bravado on his part. His desire to prove himself capable and independent is warring with his honesty, his guilt, and his turian tendency to own up to his mistakes. "I gave them hope!" as an assertive declaration followed by him hanging his head and saying "and now they are dead. Shows what I know." "My manager at C-Sec would be impressed" followed by "not that I can questions your judgement after getting my own squad killed."

I think this may be why he doesn't tell Shep about his family either. A) he doesn't want to burden the mission. B) he wants to handle it on his own without needing Shepard. "I can pay" as he keeps insisting to his sister. And he can handle it. His second email proves that he did. This is another interesting thing about Garrus. He doesn't tell people his problems because he doesn't want to burden them, but I think it's also because he wants to handle it himself. He is tired of people always bailing him out. I can understand that.

Isn't that a nice horrible conundrum for people romancing him? By helping him you stifle his independence and growth. By not helping him, he is unlikely to get to a state where he is stable enough to go out and live up to his potential. Once you have helped him, you are tied to him and he will not want to leave you. But if he doesn't leave, he won't make a difference on his own steam and probably won't be happy. Add to that a bunch of problems about him not wanting to disappoint Shepard and various turian cultural and familial things.  Garrus is heartbreaking. I mean, I knew the guy had it rough, but something about this DLC just really made it sink in. It puts all new meaning in Kelly's statement that "There's something about him. I just want to hold him close and whisper 'everything will be all right.'" That's precisely what Garrus needs and it's also exactly what he doesn't need. It simultaneously the best and worse thing for him. One thing is for sure. Garrus has TONS of storytelling potential. If that mess above doesn't get straightened out in ME3 in some way I will be disappointed. You can't open a can of worms like that and then do nothing with it.

Thoughts?

Modifié par Ragabul the Ontarah, 14 septembre 2010 - 02:51 .


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 I just had a thought.

"Never thought  I would find peace in the arms of a turian."

..... does that mean that Shepard and Garrus have actually hugged behind the scenes? 

Damn it bioware! >=(

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Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

 I just had a thought.

"Never thought  I would find peace in the arms of a turian."

..... does that mean that Shepard and Garrus have actually hugged behind the scenes? 

Damn it bioware! >=(


Um, I don't think Shep is talking about hugging...

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

 I just had a thought.

"Never thought  I would find peace in the arms of a turian."

..... does that mean that Shepard and Garrus have actually hugged behind the scenes? 

Damn it bioware! >=(


Um, I don't think Shep is talking about hugging...

She could be.

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Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

 I just had a thought.

"Never thought  I would find peace in the arms of a turian."

..... does that mean that Shepard and Garrus have actually hugged behind the scenes? 

Damn it bioware! >=(


Um, I don't think Shep is talking about hugging...

She could be.


Well, my Shep was talking about something a good deal more than hugging.  At least, that's how I took it.  Unless you mean "hugging in the course of other activities."

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No she ain't. ;)

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Ok, there is no way to post this without sounding completely Fail.  So I will just post it. :P
But first:
1.  I missed about 14 pages in there that I didn't ever read to avoid spoilers, so if the answer is in there, please feel free to give me a Kglaser Punch via PM. ;)
2.  I am probably just missing out on something incredibly stupid that I missed.
3.  I'm very lazy.  Yup.

Having said that...where did you all get that info about Garrus's mom and stuff?  I read his LotSB dossier and it was just something about what's on his visor and what kind of music he listens to while he's killing people and junk.

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kglaser wrote...

Ok, there is no way to post this without sounding completely Fail.  So I will just post it. :P
But first:
1.  I missed about 14 pages in there that I didn't ever read to avoid spoilers, so if the answer is in there, please feel free to give me a Kglaser Punch via PM. ;)
2.  I am probably just missing out on something incredibly stupid that I missed.
3.  I'm very lazy.  Yup.

Having said that...where did you all get that info about Garrus's mom and stuff?  I read his LotSB dossier and it was just something about what's on his visor and what kind of music he listens to while he's killing people and junk.


There is a chat transcript between him and his sister in which they discuss their mother.  I think a copy of it is up in Clan V. 

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Also, another thought. Garrus' family is on Palaven. He grew up on Palaven. His dad was in C-Sec on the Citadel. I used to think that was weird but now I think it is just standard. I mean all turians join the military and most of them are in it until they are 30ish. Some of them must start families before that so one parent being off somewhere else altogether probably isn't a big deal for turians. It's just standard I would think.

Also, my vote is no Garrus tears.  A) I think it's a bit OCC.  B) I think Bioware could come up with something more original and meaningful that is Garrus specific.  Think of the headbump.  It's not a kiss but in the end, it ends up meaning a whole lot more specifically because it isn't a kiss and is therefore unique.  Nobody really goes on about the Thane kiss or the Tali kiss.  Tali's mask coming off is a bigger deal than her kiss because it is more symbolic.  If Garrus shows some emotion I want it to be in some way like that.  Something really Garrusy.  No idea what that would be however.

Modifié par Ragabul the Ontarah, 14 septembre 2010 - 03:09 .


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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

<sniip>

Isn't that a nice horrible conundrum for people romancing him? By helping him you stifle his independence and growth. By not helping him, he is unlikely to get to a state where he is stable enough to go out and live up to his potential. Once you have helped him, you are tied to him and he will not want to leave you. But if he doesn't leave, he won't make a difference on his own steam and probably won't be happy.

<snip>

Thoughts?

I don't think it's that dire a scenario.  You can help Garrus without doing his work for him or telling him what to do.

"Look, at what this dossier says about you being in my shadow, man.  I don't want that to turn out to be true, do you?  Okay.  So, let me know what you decide you want to do, if anything, with all this stuff you're carrying around.  I'll abide by your decisions.  I'll be here if you need me."

It surely won't be quite as straightforward as all that, but I don't believe we'll be stuck with a lose-lose situation.

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Considering Halo: Reach comes out tomorrow, does anyone know where that image of Garrus holding a Halo: Reach box and the caption "Garrus has reach" is?

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Tootles FTW wrote...
I love Septimus.  And Lorik.  Any turian that doesn't appear to have a stick up his butt, which seems to be the default mode, is appreciated by me.  Though to be fair, even the ones with sticks are appreciated by me...

I like turians! All kinds!

Except Velarn. *ss hoel. Sure his nephew got killed on Shep's mission, but he was avenged. It seems like "politics" is a terminal illness.

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Oh, I didn't mean to imply it was dire or hopeless, but it isn't sunshine and bunnies either. I don't expect a neat, tidy, easy resolution and frankly I wouldn't want one. Such problems should not be solvable in some simple way. Do you really want to go up to Garrus and tell him you have been reading his mail? How would that go over? He's already made his choice. His choice was "I won't tell Shepard about my family." He didn't intend for Shep to find out about it, but now she has. She must also realize that he would have told her if he wanted to tell her. What do you do in that situation? If you ask if he needs help, he will want to know how you found out about it and that will bring up some more problems on it's own. Shep: Why didn't you tell me this? Garrus: Why didn't you trust me to tell you when/if I was ready? I felt guilty reading it honestly. I mean third person I loved it as I got to learn more about the characters, but my Shep was uneasy. She's not one to poke around in her squad members business. She trusts them.



And I didn't mean we would get a "lose-lose" situation. I meant more like we wouldn't get a "happily ever after with everything perfect" resolution. Think of Liara. What happened is good for her. It's a happy ending of a sort. But regardless, she is still not with Shep all the time. Their time together is limited because they both have other things they have to do first. She saved Feron, but she also became a darker person in the process. Something was gained, but something was lost as well. That's a bittersweet ending. I was talking about something more like that.

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praetor_alpha wrote...

Tootles FTW wrote...
I love Septimus.  And Lorik.  Any turian that doesn't appear to have a stick up his butt, which seems to be the default mode, is appreciated by me.  Though to be fair, even the ones with sticks are appreciated by me...

I like turians! All kinds!

Except Velarn. *ss hoel. Sure his nephew got killed on Shep's mission, but he was avenged. It seems like "politics" is a terminal illness.


What?  Where did that information come from?

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Hyrule_Gal wrote...


I can't hear garrus saying "I love you" either but maybe "you're the best thing that ever happened to me" . And if he were to use the L word it wouldn't be cliché, maybe he'd say it in a humorous way "A turian vigilante and a human commander fall in love while saving the galaxy...sometimes I think I'm living in a space opera"


IDEAL!!! Please BW, best line ever - it fits with his character, shows his love, and doesn't come off as fake or cliched

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WarlordFil wrote...

I think the deal with Septimus is, he wanted Sha'ira to be his girlfriend/fiance and to be with him exclusively (ie "to be more than she could be") and she was like "my job requires me to share intimacy with many different people, I am needed in this role, and I can't/won't just quit my job to be your exclusive partner/homemaker.")

I think Septimus could easily see himself as the cavalry riding in to the rescue only to find that Sha'ira did not WANT a rescue...she LIKES her job!

Then he feels frustrated that he's just one more of Sha'ira's friends/clients and not her hero....so he starts snapping back at her and getting depressed over too much booze.



I've never done the Shia'la quest, but this sounds exactly like  Mal and Inara's problems in Firefly!