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[Cocytus]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

This is pretty much what my Shep would do.  She won't say a thing because she feels guilty and wouldn't want to have to explain where she got this information.  But she reads the data because she is horribly inquisitive and because Liara specifically set it aside for her in a manner suggesting it was relevant stuff she might want to take a look at.  She would look at it because she trusts Liara and because she wants to know her team and because anything that could impact the mission is something she needs to know.  And with Garrus she would be torn because she wants to help him, but she doesn't want to pry if he doesn't want to tell her.

Conversely, she would volunteer pretty much anything about herself to pretty much anybody who asked because she has this "I've got nothing to hide" attitude.  Her reaction to Miranda reading her mail or TIM bugging the ship is to be amused.  She half hopes people are spying on her and Garrus just to give them something to think about. My point is, I like to think that she's told anybody who asked pretty much anything they wanted to know already.  

Different Sheps will react in different ways to this data, and therein lies the complexity and storytelling potential.

Umm, I, for one, don't think the situation leaves much room for what-if's as the dossiers have already been read, really. I mean, how in the world were we supposed to know what's in them in the first place? It's not like we were all "Let's see what they've been hiding from us". And I rather share Ragabul's sentiment, which would mean that the only thing for us guilty feeling people would be to merely trick the guy into solving the problem. We could egg the crew into going to an advanced industrial planet like Thessia or (why not?) Palaven to pick up a super-duper upgrade for the ship or something, and just as 'luck' would have it we'll land about half a block away from Garrus's place and call it 'providence'.

But we're forgetting something, are we not? Remember that other file containing a letter from a medical institution concerning collector tech? What if we were wrong to blow up that station after all? What if the stuff Garrus'd sent them isn't quite enough? I'd hate it if in trying to 'do the right thing' I've doomed Garrus's mum.

Modifié par Cocytus, 14 septembre 2010 - 10:55 .

[Cocytus]

They said they were working on test trials, but that leaves too many things so uncertain...

[J4N3_M3]

It's not perfect but I was bored during lunch break...Garrus has reach

[Cocytus]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

It's not perfect but I was bored during lunch break...Garrus has reach

Indeed he does...

[Nilfalasiel]

Cocytus wrote...

Umm, I, for one, don't think the situation leaves much room for what-if's as the dossiers have already been read, really. I mean, how in the world were we supposed to know what's in them in the first place? It's not like we were all "Let's see what they've been hiding from us". And I rather share Ragabul's sentiment, which would mean that the only thing for us guilty feeling people would be to merely trick the guy into solving the problem. We could egg the crew into going to an advanced industrial planet like Thessia or (why not?) Palaven to pick up a super-duper upgrade for the ship or something, and just as 'luck' would have it we'll land about half a block away from Garrus's place and call it 'providence'.

I still think it's more prudent to just show everyone their dossier. Especially someone like Jack, who might not take it too well that you've been getting information about her behind her back, if she ever finds out. If even out of a purely practical consideration (as I've mentioned, for the cohesion of the team), I'd let them see their own dossiers, even if I read them first.

But we're forgetting something, are we not? Remember that other file containing a letter from a medical institution concerning collector tech? What if we were wrong to blow up that station after all? What if the stuff Garrus'd sent them isn't quite enough? I'd hate it if in trying to 'do the right thing' I've doomed Garrus's mum.

I think that we'd have a lot more serious things to worry about if TIM gets his hands on collector tech...That was really my main concern about the base. Otherwise, I'd have kept it.

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I am the undisputed master of accidental innuendos.  If I didn't already have a Clan V title I would suggest that one instead.  If you would like me to give you a list of some of the other gems I have accidentally produced, I can provide them. Usually I spot them after I write them and point them out myself, but this time I missed it completely.

You could put them in the NSFW thread in Clan V

@ J4N3: Great pic!

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 14 septembre 2010 - 11:07 .

[Cocytus]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

I still think it's more prudent to just show everyone their dossier. Especially someone like Jack, who might not take it too well that you've been getting information about her behind her back, if she ever finds out.

Naw, it's OK for those who didn't read her dossier.:innocent:

[J4N3_M3]

Am I really the only one who has no problem at all reading all those dossiers? I mean, I read them. It's not like I run around telling everyone all their little secrets. I am finally getting to know my crew. Guess that makes me and all my Sheps bad people xD

[Cocytus]

And why can't Shep do something like this, I wonder

Modifié par Cocytus, 14 septembre 2010 - 11:19 .

[J4N3_M3]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

J4N3_M3 wrote...

Am I really the only one who has no problem at all reading all those dossiers? I mean, I read them. It's not like I run around telling everyone all their little secrets. I am finally getting to know my crew. Guess that makes me and all my Sheps bad people xD

My dudeshep wouldn't feel guilty.  He wouldn't realize what was in them and then he would reason that "I wasn't intentionally prying into secrets, but since I read it, I can't take it back.  No sense worrying about it."  He'd do his best to just try to forget about it.   Paragade mainshep would say this to herself as well but she would still feel guilty.  My newest Shep would read the files and probably enjoy having such secrets.  My uber paragon Shep might be guilted into fessing up.

Neither me nor any of my Sheps would feel guilty. *shrugs*

[Cocytus]

@Ragabul the Ontarah - You mean this comic?

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Modifié par Cocytus, 14 septembre 2010 - 12:09 .

[Castanea]

Not to interrupt, I'm just fully amused. When I read the dossiers and found the particular Garrus conversation with his father, my immediate thought was, "I bet the Garrus fan thread is talking about this . . . a lot."

I'm happy I was right.

On that note, my Shepard just feels awful she knows all this information now.

[Tootles FTW]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

Am I really the only one who has no problem at all reading all those dossiers? I mean, I read them. It's not like I run around telling everyone all their little secrets. I am finally getting to know my crew. Guess that makes me and all my Sheps bad people xD

I don't.  If the dossiers were only made available by sneaking into your crewmate's area (I.E. the main battery for Garrus) and hacking into his terminal then yeeea, that'd be bad, but reading through the SB's files was innocently meant.  And it isn't if the dossiers contained something that they wouldn't already be aware of - it's just information that they might not have chosen to share with Shep. 

Personally I'd never bring it up with them except (possibly) in my LI's case.  I'd give Garrus some time, post-suicide mission, to come to me on his own accord about his family, but if enough time has passed and the wall remains up I'd most likely broach the subject.  Garrus keeps his own family in the dark about his personal issues, and I don't want my FemShep to be treated in the same way.

[Nilfalasiel]

Castanea wrote...

Not to interrupt, I'm just fully amused. When I read the dossiers and found the particular Garrus conversation with his father, my immediate thought was, "I bet the Garrus fan thread is talking about this . . . a lot."
I'm happy I was right.
On that note, my Shepard just feels awful she knows all this information now.

You mean his sister

And lol, now I feel like the exception...Would everyone here really keep all that info to themselves and not be worried that some squaddies (eg. Jack, Miranda) might not like it if they discovered you'd kept it from them? Especially if you then try to pretend like you don't know and subtly push them towards revealing those things themselves?

I know I wouldn't take it well if I were on the receiving end.

[Nilfalasiel]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Ironically, most of my Sheps could care less what Jack might do and they don't feel guilty about knowing a bunch of stuff about Jack or Jacob or most of the team. They'd be more concerned about hurting the feelings of their closest team members like Garrus and Tali. They are more concerned with how this impacts their friendships than with how it might affect the mission, because anything that comes up mission wise they feel like they can handle it.

Oh, the motivations for giving out the info would be different for each squaddie, of course. I'm just saying that, if anything, in the case of squaddies my Shep doesn't care about on an emotional level (eg. Miranda, Jacob), what comes into consideration is transparency for the mission's sake. Especially considering that Miranda's material, for example, is particularly sensitive and could very well be taken badly if she just randomly found out I knew about it.

For the squaddies Shep does care about (eg. Garrus, Tali, Thane), the motivation is more trust on a personal level. I certainly wouldn't want my significant other to find out I have a sick mother that I've been uncomfortable telling them about and then try to hide it from me, or, worse, awkwardly try to manoeuvre me into addressing the issue.

[J4N3_M3]

ya know, I wouldn't go and try to manipulate into doing something. I read it and that's it. If they come and talk to me about that certain information then I just pretend I have no idea what's going on and try to advice them just like I would if I hadn't known before. I mean, I'm not gaining anything from this dossiers. It doesn't matter if I know this stuff or not. And the moment they tell me, this means, they want my two cents on it which basically means, I can tell them what I think. After all, it is still up to them to listen to me or not. So I really don't see where the big deal in this is.

[J4N3_M3]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Ironically, most of my Sheps could care less what Jack might do and they don't feel guilty about knowing a bunch of stuff about Jack or Jacob or most of the team. They'd be more concerned about hurting the feelings of their closest team members like Garrus and Tali. They are more concerned with how this impacts their friendships than with how it might affect the mission, because anything that comes up mission wise they feel like they can handle it.

Oh, the motivations for giving out the info would be different for each squaddie, of course. I'm just saying that, if anything, in the case of squaddies my Shep doesn't care about on an emotional level (eg. Miranda, Jacob), what comes into consideration is transparency for the mission's sake. Especially considering that Miranda's material, for example, is particularly sensitive and could very well be taken badly if she just randomly found out I knew about it.

For the squaddies Shep does care about (eg. Garrus, Tali, Thane), the motivation is more trust on a personal level. I certainly wouldn't want my significant other to find out I have a sick mother that I've been uncomfortable telling them about and then try to hide it from me, or, worse, awkwardly try to manoeuvre me into addressing the issue.

He may have found out something about me that I wasn't willing to share. But how could I be angry at him? If this is about trust, then it has to work both ways, not just one way. He has to share information with me, I have to share information with me. If he doesn't, he can't blame me for finding out. Just like I can't blame him if he found out stuff about me. Because both parties here are to blame. An endless cycle. Hence why just keeping quiet about it until he either wants to talk about it or not. If he doesn't, I figure he'll have his reasons. I won't push him. And I'm definitely not he manipulative kind when it comes to relationships. Same goes for all of my Sheps....^.^

[Sialater]

My Sheps would tell everyone about the SB files and then we'll all go on a bug hunt to get rid of the surveillance devices. Jacob should be able to do his 400 situps in peace, after all.



And as for Shepard holding Garrus back... it's the Shadow Broker... I wouldn't trust any of the evaluations/notes he had.

[J4N3_M3]

Sialater wrote...

My Sheps would tell everyone about the SB files and then we'll all go on a bug hunt to get rid of the surveillance devices. Jacob should be able to do his 400 situps in peace, after all.

It'd be funny to find out how they got there in the first place.....who's the shadow broker agent? o_o *looks around suspiciously* xD 

Sialater wrote...

And as for Shepard holding Garrus back... it's the Shadow Broker... I wouldn't trust any of the evaluations/notes he had.

Exactly.....
besides, it's a game and the Dev's wanted to do us something good. We should shut up about it and stop complaining. Just enjoy the info we got ^.^

Modifié par J4N3_M3, 14 septembre 2010 - 02:24 .