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[Hazzel42]

If you look at his kill list in the dossier from the Shadow Broker, it's interesting to note that he likes to execute the criminals in a similar manner to which they used. Very much an eye for an eye kind of justice and in my mind shows his idealism. Yeah and I agree with Steel - seems he is focused on his crusade and not really worrying too much about how the ripples could cause bad to happen. I think he sees the crime as bad - all shades of black and white - and can't manage the grey as well. I think this is where Shepard could help him out, even a Paragon one.

[Collider]

Well I think Garrus changed Omega to an extent. He made the mercenary groups scared (and pissed off) to the point where they put aside their differences and banded up together. Logically, that would probably necessitate that Garrus had changed Omega in some way, because he definitely roused the mercenaries' anger.



He can't change Omega completely. That's basically implausible period. It would take many more years. But what he did helped it.

[Steel Dancer]

Fair points.



Thing is... The thing is... If he'd gotten that much attention from them, (and talking to the leaders of the merc groups on Garrus' recruitment mission, he really DID get their attention, and very much the Blue Suns leaders too) wouldn't they have pulled troops from areas to cover the places he was more likely to hit, or to give them better personal security?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

GARRUS THREAD!!!!!!!!

Anyway I think Garrus had some impact.

Like the heroic cop who sacrifices his life to save a kid.

The kid then grows up to be a reformer.

[Hazzel42]

Well I'm sure Garrus made an impact for a while on Omega - after all as part of his recruitment mission he and Shepard managed to kill off the heads of the three organizations. I'm sure it took a while for the next heads to get back in business. Trouble is while there's money to be made and people with no scruples about how to make it, there will be crime. Impossible to get rid of completely. Best that can be done is what Garrus did and make them sit up and take notice for a while and give ordinary people some peace for a while.

[Eradyn]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

GARRUS THREAD!!!!!!!!
Anyway I think Garrus had some impact.
Like the heroic cop who sacrifices his life to save a kid.
The kid then grows up to be a reformer.

I wonder if we'll see the ramifications of Garrus' activities(positive and maybe negative) play out on Omega in ME3? I wonder how many others would be inspired to make lasting changes on Omega.  Assuming we're ALLOWED to visit Omega in ME3...which I hope we can visit all these places in-depth *cough*Citadel*cough* (but then I guess I want the world with ME3, so... ).

[Collider]

Would be interesting if Garrus' actions inspired other vigilante bands. That would be very awesome. And fitting for Garrus, I think.

[Hazzel42]

mrsph wrote...

Aria was content to let Garrus run amock as long as he didn't specifically target her or her activities. If he did anything foolish enough to get her full attention then I think Garrus would have never made it off Omega alive.

Yeah makes you wonder, if he had managed to bring down the gangs, would Aria have decided he was too dangerous and moved in on him?  It seemed to me at the time she was more amused with his antics than anything.  Almost as if his idealism was funny and she knew he would never be able to be a real threat because of his very black and white view of crime and the world.

[Collider]

But Aria doesn't have complete control over all sections of Omega. If Garrus squad seized an area from the Talons or the Suns say, but still left her alone and otherwise kept the peace, I don't know if she would do anything about it. As she said, he seemed to know enough to steer clear of her. Of course, maybe he was just biding his time, but once he got a foothold, well, again, who knows?

I think Garrus would have the gall to challenge her. Just if he made really good progress. Like an unbelievable amount.

[Hazzel42]

Wonder if Aria had a hand in tipping some one off on Sidonis or helping to find a ****** in Garrus's team?

[Steel Dancer]

That's... possible, but unlikely. Aria didn't seem to have any interest in Archangel at all as long as he stayed away from her, and could even have viewed him as a useful tool for keeping the merc groups off-balance.

Modifié par Steel Dancer, 14 septembre 2010 - 09:20 .

[ciaweth]

Hazzel42 wrote...

Wonder if Aria had a hand in tipping some one off on Sidonis or helping to find a ****** in Garrus's team?

Not sure why she would do that, since she said she was sitting back and letting Archangel take some of the merc pressure off her. 

I think Garrus and Aria would eventually have fought each other once he significantly weakened the mercs on Omega, though.

[Hazzel42]

Yeah but that's just what she told Shepard. Who's to say she didn't have a more behind the scene connection to tipping off some one about Sidonis to get Garrus out of Omega so business would go back to normal. If the gangs were impacted I'm sure her profits would be too. She is a pretty devious character. Not evil, but very self serving and if Garrus was impacting her domain...

[ciaweth]

She can be duplicitous, but I still don't see it being in her best interest to sabotage Archangel when he's basically doing her work for her.

[Xalena]

Oh my God
And our Shepards get only some lousy headbump from Garrus

[Pacifien]

I think Garrus taking on Aria... sometimes I wonder if Shepard could take on Aria. So long as she remains on Omega, I highly doubt anyone could take her down unless it was another criminal mastermind. She found the Shadow Broker's agents, ones who didn't even know who they were working for. And the last video of her from LotSB, she seems to look right at the camera and shake her head slightly. You step on her turf, she knows.

But that's not to say she knows everything that happens on Omega. Retribution gives us a little more insight into how Omega works, and she doesn't control everything there. I think that's the only way Garrus managed to stay off her radar, how she was unable to figure out who Archangel was. His base of operations was likely off her turf, his hits probably on merc territory where they were trying to work outside of Aria's influence.

Unfortunately, I think the only way to truly make a dent in Omega's system is to go after Aria. I don't know what that takes, but Garrus seemed to have his hands full with the three lesser merc bands.

Actually, as I'm writing this, I'm thinking about how Aria is one of those incredibly intelligent people, an actual genius. Out of Shepard's squadmates, the only ones who I think reach her level of intelligence is Mordin and possibly Liara given time. Other squadmates are definitely intelligent themselves, but genius level? So then I started thinking about Garrus and his own intelligence. He's no fool, but I think a lot of his skill and abilities might fall a bit on the side of street smarts. I think Shepard is played the same way, the intelligence isn't in the books but in reading the situation at hand.

Modifié par Pacifien, 14 septembre 2010 - 09:33 .