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Nilfalasiel wrote...

Tali death makes me sad Posted Image But hey, at least you kept Garrus alive.

As I've never had the urge to kill off any squaddies, which is the worst death sequence? From what I hear, it's the seeker swarms, but I could be wrong.

From a slightly different standpoint, I just feel like an idiot for letting squaddies die as a result of not getting upgrades. Surely that's the first thing Shepard would check: that they've got all the best upgrades available before even going in for the SM. Squaddie death because of disloyalty or unsuitability to the task is more acceptable to me in terms of not making Shep seem like a total idiot. Because it's not all that far-fetched to pick Thane for the biotic bubble, for example. Well...it makes very little sense to pick him when you've got Samara there, but still.

I agree, and I never considered using the ship upgrade system as a way to kill off squaddies until Pacifien mentioned it, but hey - now I have to do less juggling in my decisions on the Collector base to get my desired results. 

I could never kill Garrus.  I might consider it if it actually had some sort of impact post-SM (for science!, of course), but your LI's death seems to amount to nothing.  Maybe it'll get a mention in ME3, but I'm not going to put myself through his death for nothing.  Hmmm...now that I think on it, I wonder if Liara still mentions your current LI in LotSB if they die during the SM?

The seeker swarm death seems to be the worst option, which is what makes the "Jacob dies by seeker swarm" route so appealing.  Posted Image  And here I was planning on letting him off easy with a simple rocket to the face!

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This will help you work out how to do it while making the most sense:



http://social.biowar...index/2933016/1



It was so damned hard to kill absolutely everyone off, took some major planning. Some alive, some dead should be easier.



It was so sad to watch Garrus die though :( Broke my heart. That's why that playthrough was a dickead MShep. I used Garrus in the vents because high HTL defense score, so kill him off soon to make the others die at HTL

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I once killed Garrus off using seeker swarms. My heart just broke when I heard his scream... :crying: Thankfully, I won't do that again (one experiment is enough... for science).

I'm thinking of doing a Garrus/Samara only playthrough next (when I get the time to).

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Okay, catch up post in which I will try to address several things instead of posting lots of little snippets.

On Garrus being impulsive. I agree he is impulsive, but his impulsive nature is of a fairly specific kind. Namely that he changes his mind on what his crusade of the moment is going to be. He impulsively quits C-Sec because Shep shows up and he thinks he can get more done by joining her. He acts impulsively after his team got killed and gets himself cornered by the mercs because he is emotionally distraught and all his plans have just been spoiled. But once he has a plan, once he has decided what he is going to do, he isn't really that impulsive at all. Now his initial plan might be unrealistic (clean up Omega) but the way he goes about doing that plan is very thorough and thought out. He'd be a crappy squad leader if he was impulsive all the time. So I don't think he would just up and decide to kill Aria on a whim unless she did something to set him off somehow. But if he set his sights on Aria, and I'm not entirely convinced he wouldn't if he managed to gain a big enough foothold on Omega, I don't think he would come at her stupid. I think he would be the very opposite of impulsive. The goal might be unrealistic, but he would execute his plan to achieve that goal as carefully as possible if that makes sense. I used to think he was just deluding himself on Omega, but I dunno, the more I think about it the more I think he might have actually been able to get quite a lot done if not for Sidonis. I do agree that he would never take Aria's place, however. I still don't think that would be enough to keep him from trying to kill her. I'm not sure what he would do he actually succeeded. This would be one of the unrealistic aspects of his plan and is the sort of thing he likely wouldn't think about. But how to kill her to begin with, that I think he would consider in intricate detail.

On Aria. Arrogant, overconfident, *insert similar word here* I don't think it matters. The point is her position isn't as secure as she thinks it is. There are holes in her operation and holes can be exploited. This is what I think anyway.

On Garrus finding asari/quarians or whatever attractive. I think it's entirely possible but it's probably idle. "Thinks so-and-so is attractive" and "wants to sleep with so-and-so" are way different things. I think LotSB Liara is gorgeous. I also think that random asari who is a greeter for the Consort is gorgeous. I can't take my eyes off them. Doesn't mean I want to jump them. As Garrus says he's never considered cross-species intercourse before, but that doesn't mean he hasn't eyeballed an asari here or there or idly wondered what a quarian looks like under a suit. (No, not Tali. Not what I mean.) And I think there is a good chance he did watch Fleet and Flotilla and like it. It's got turians in it for one and with the term "fleet" it makes it sound like it might actually have some fighting or something in it, and the more data we get, it's beginning to look like Garrus is a little more cheeseball than I thought. He likes techno. That's hilarious. And as for Vaenia, well Garrus is a guy...a guy not above telling racy stories for lulz with his best friends. Need I say more? Obviously this isn't evidence of anything, but I don't think it would be out of character for him to actually like those vids is my point.

*Edit*

Couple more random things.  The fact that Garrus is so darn hard to kill in the SM makes me very happy.  Hopefully that improves his chances of being in ME3.

And I feel conflicted about that pic as well.  Garrus and femshep with kids?  I just...I dunno.  I mean adopted ones here.  Mutant babies make me curl up in a fetal position and cry.  I have seen a grand total of 1 fic that managed to pull off the adopted kids thing (The Hundred Year Distance) and that was because it just idly mentioned it as something that had happened in the past.  You never actually saw the kids.  It just talked about them a bit.  But 95% of the time I think it is a bad idea.  Something maybe mentioned in a text epilogue for a Shep who explicitly said they wanted that.  That's the most I would ever be even somewhat okay with in game.

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Tyrium wrote...

This will help you work out how to do it while making the most sense:

http://social.biowar...index/2933016/1

It was so damned hard to kill absolutely everyone off, took some major planning. Some alive, some dead should be easier.

It was so sad to watch Garrus die though :( Broke my heart. That's why that playthrough was a dickead MShep. I used Garrus in the vents because high HTL defense score, so kill him off soon to make the others die at HTL


Ha I got one of those dick head mSheps too. 

But now I feel I have to try and kill everyone off for science, although I have seen the Garrus death scene, so I know whats coming.

*EDIT*

I think the part of me that was disturbed by it was that ok yes they're happy they have a family and all - but I actually don't see that happening (ok they're adopted).  There are a few fan fics, wishful thinking perhaps, about Garrus and Shep having children (yes the mutant baby thing) Posted Image  but I just don't see them that way.

rant - The baby thing is a sore point with me right now, I mean why do people insist that you can't be happy unless you have them?  Why the hell does this have to intrude even into fantasy life? Okay thats a stupid question really there's lots of reasons why, but hey why does it have to intrude into MY fantasy life. I have RL for this crap . /end rant

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Dick head malesheps seem to be a trend around here. I don't have any dick head Sheps, but my dudeshep is way closer than any of my femsheps. Kinda weird. I have also noticed that a lot of guys seem to have renegade female characters and their dudeshep is more paragon. Why is that do you think?

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

On Garrus finding asari/quarians or whatever attractive. I think it's entirely possible but it's probably idle. "Thinks so-and-so is attractive" and "wants to sleep with so-and-so" are way different things. I think LotSB Liara is gorgeous. I also think that random asari who is a greeter for the Consort is gorgeous. I can't take my eyes off them. Doesn't mean I want to jump them. As Garrus says he's never considered cross-species intercourse before, but that doesn't mean he hasn't eyeballed an asari here or there or idly wondered what a quarian looks like under a suit. (No, not Tali. Not what I mean.) And I think there is a good chance he did watch Fleet and Flotilla and like it. It's got turians in it for one and with the term "fleet" it makes it sound like it might actually have some fighting or something in it, and the more data we get, it's beginning to look like Garrus is a little more cheeseball than I thought. He likes techno. That's hilarious. And as for Vaenia, well Garrus is a guy...a guy not above telling racy stories for lulz with his best friends. Need I say more? Obviously this isn't evidence of anything, but I don't think it would be out of character for him to actually like those vids is my point.


Good point on the attractiveness, although Garrus finding an asari attractive is not quite the same thing as you finding an asari attractive, due to the gender difference. In your case, it's a case of "I want to be her/look at her" rather than "I want to be with her " (extremely simplified version of the attraction to someone of the same gender, but going into details would just make this impossibly long). If you wanted to make this a fair comparison, you'd have to either use the example of you finding a male alien attractive, or Garrus finding a male alien attractive.

That being said, it's not unrealistic that he may have considered a female alien with interest before, but a male finding a female attractive does have a much more obvious sexual component than a male finding a male attractive or a female finding a female attractive. Garrus specifically says he's never considered cross-species intercourse before, which is to say that he's never seriously contemplated sex with an alien female. So beyond the "oh, she looks kinda cool", no, I don't think he's ever had naked asari posters in his room or a Fornax under his pillow (well...unless it was a "special turian edition" Fornax). 'Course, he could still appreciate Fleet and Flotilla as a curiosity or for the fighting (I'm picturing it as a "doomed love in wartime" story). As for Vaenia...we know next to nothing about it, but it does sound like a chick flick. Telling racy stories with friends is one thing, but a guy watching a chick flick? Not very common (reminds me of that HUGE snore I heard in the cinema during the big romantic scene in Emma Posted Image) Don't think Garrus is quite that cheesy.



Couple more random things.  The fact that Garrus is so darn hard to kill in the SM makes me very happy.  Hopefully that improves his chances of being in ME3.

And yet, I still can't wrap my head around why Thane has a higher HTL score.

And I feel conflicted about that pic as well.  Garrus and femshep with kids?  I just...I dunno.  I mean adopted ones here.  Mutant babies make me curl up in a fetal position and cry.  I have seen a grand total of 1 fic that managed to pull off the adopted kids thing (The Hundred Year Distance) and that was because it just idly mentioned it as something that had happened in the past.  You never actually saw the kids.  It just talked about them a bit.  But 95% of the time I think it is a bad idea.  Something maybe mentioned in a text epilogue for a Shep who explicitly said they wanted that.  That's the most I would ever be even somewhat okay with in game.


Agreed. Shep/Garrus doesn't rhyme with kids for me either. Although Shep/Tali could...but they'd have to be adopted, of course.



Dick head malesheps seem to be a trend around here. I don't have any dick head Sheps, but my dudeshep is way closer than any of my femsheps. Kinda weird. I have also noticed that a lot of guys seem to have renegade female characters and their dudeshep is more paragon. Why is that do you think?

Funnily enough, my MaleShep is the softie among my Sheps, even though they're all mostly Paragons. Although I'm guessing it's more typical to picture a male as a bastard, which would be why most people here have Renegade MaleSheps. Conversely, male gamers probably don't have that stereotype quite as much, which would be why their FemSheps are Renegades.

I've also heard quite a few people say that Hale does a better job as a Renegade, while Meer does a better job as a Paragon, line delivery-wise. Could also be a reason.

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Dick head malesheps seem to be a trend around here. I don't have any dick head Sheps, but my dudeshep is way closer than any of my femsheps. Kinda weird. I have also noticed that a lot of guys seem to have renegade female characters and their dudeshep is more paragon. Why is that do you think?

Even though I sometimes plan to make mostly paragon or renegade Shepards that dates humans or asari my Shepards usualy ends up as paragades dating the turan or quarian. This is despite gender.

But Hale is better at the renegade lines I think.

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My Shep definitely wants Garrus' kid. And the geneticist in me is trying to work out a way to do it.

Warning: stream of conciousness coming up:

1. Asari take the genetic makeup of their partner (levo or dextro) and use it as a template
2. The child would have to be female (humans are XY sex determined, birds and reptiles are ZW) so would have to   duplicate Shep's X.
3. The child would have to be "mostly human" so Shep's body doesn't reject the implanted foetus
4. Mordin could take the turian sperm, go through and find genes that function in the same manner in both species, reverse chirality if necessary and insert into shep's egg. (wacko crazy complicated, but he's a genius!)
5. He could also look for genes coding for turian features that are not incompatible with human biochemistry
5. Duplicate her genes (randomly from a second egg) for the others (assuming paternal imprinting could be simulated)

The girl would be essentially human, with what turian genes were not incompatable. I like to think she'd have Garrus' eyes, and a very thin waist, but otherwise look essentially human. Maybe a cartlage fringe, maybe.

(but this is just late night musings on my part, of course none of this would be possible now even if turians did exist, but with future gene sequencing speed up and knowledge ... who knows!)

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I don't want to come off negative towards anyone's opinions by saying this, but Garrus/Shep babies give me the squicks.  I can't envision a scenario where FemShep and Garrus have a serious conversation about adding the pitter-patter of little feet to the Normandy, and (unless Biwoare tells us otherwise) a biological human/turian baby is impossible.  However, I'd take a million adopted babies over FemShep artificially inseminating herself, or Garrus using a suroggate.  Posted Image 

Happy endings don't require children.  In DAO it's implied that my Human Noble warden and Alistair cannot have kids but that's a complete non-issue for an otherwise pitch perfect ending, and I would think nothing differently of FemShep and Garrus flying off into the proverbial ME3 sunset together.  If you leave their future ambiguous I don't see why everyone can't be happy in imagining what they want.

Maybe I'll think differently when/if I spawn children of my own; all I know is that spending an hour with my nieces is more than sufficient for me.  K, thnx, "take-em-back, sis", bye!

And methinks I should start a MaleShep playthrough already.  I've played through ME/ME2 so many times, but I haven't even attempted it yet.

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The sceptical scientist in me doesn't think it can be done. But considering what I've seen done in agriculture regarding cloning and the like, who knows. I would take it that offspring then only be female? (genetics were never my strong suite at uni)

Okay I have to stop talking about this now.  This is sad panda route for me.

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Dick head malesheps seem to be a trend around here. I don't have any dick head Sheps, but my dudeshep is way closer than any of my femsheps. Kinda weird. I have also noticed that a lot of guys seem to have renegade female characters and their dudeshep is more paragon. Why is that do you think?


I had a long convo with my boss about this, he plays paragon mShep, renegade fShep, I guess maybe what you can identify with plays a part.  My MShep is a bastard, can't make my fSheps act the same way.

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As for the Paragon/REnegade thing: It is indeed true that Hale does an AMAZING job at the Renegade lines. OMG....I LOVE LOVE LOVE her!!!!! Whenever she intimidates someone or her evil laugh GAWD!!!!!! I mean, okay, I have many things documented for my female renegade as I just adore her. but a few vids for Hale's awesome voice acting as Renegade...

on Purgatory

throwing the Merc off the towers or ignoring the Renegade interrupt and using the Renegade dialogue option

and Kelham's interrogation can this voice be any colder?????

also, I think she does the Kalisah interview way better than Meer.

But back to Garrus. I won't start the whole Garrus-Shep-babies thing again. I don't really care if they have kids or not. Adopted or their own, I don't care. The picture is just one of those super adorable pics and instead of going on about if its possible for them to adopt kids or not or if we can picture them with kids or not, we should just give props to the artist because that work is great.

Garrus and being impulsive: well I think, it's not a bad thing, but once a situation gets out of control because of too much temper/your emotions/impulsiveness, then you should think twice the next time, you get into the same situation.


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Tootles FTW wrote...

I don't want to come off negative towards anyone's opinions by saying this, but Garrus/Shep babies give me the squicks.  I can't envision a scenario where FemShep and Garrus have a serious conversation about adding the pitter-patter of little feet to the Normandy, and (unless Biwoare tells us otherwise) a biological human/turian baby is impossible.  However, I'd take a million adopted babies over FemShep artificially inseminating herself, or Garrus using a suroggate.  Posted Image 

Happy endings don't require children.  In DAO it's implied that my Human Noble warden and Alistair cannot have kids but that's a complete non-issue for an otherwise pitch perfect ending, and I would think nothing differently of FemShep and Garrus flying off into the proverbial ME3 sunset together.  If you leave their future ambiguous I don't see why everyone can't be happy in imagining what they want.


Yep, I agree with both of these points. In fact, when you look at it, quite a few of the pairings in the ME-verse wouldn't result in natural children:

FemShep-Garrus
FemShep-Thane
MaleShep-Tali
MaleShep-Miranda

That leaves:

FemShep-Kaidan
FemShep-Liara
FemShep-Jacob
MaleShep-Jack
MaleShep-Ashley
MaleShep-Liara

who can have natural children.

As for basing human-alien babies on the asari reproductive system...I'm pretty sure that would be impossible. Asari physiology is specifically adapted to this process, a human wouldn't be able to replicate it, since it apparently involves a fine-tuned command of the mind and nervous system. I don't think it's just a question of "template". Humans would simply be physically unable to do it. Also, reversing chirality? Picking turian genes that would work with human ones? Mordin may be a genius, but not only is that very likely impossible, but even if it were, he wouldn't live long enough to be able to do it (he's only got 10 years left, at best). It would take AGES. Can you imagine the amount of variables he'd have to account for? Posted Image I think both Shepard and Garrus would be dead as well by the time something like that could be managed.

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By cheeseball, I didn't mean sentimental.  I meant more like kinda goofy.  More like he might listen to some goofy Beatles music than to say Celine Dion.  Or he might be like my silly brother-in-law who will go around listening to the Star Wars and Indiana Jones themes.  He still wouldn't listen to Neil Young or something cheesy like that.  And actually, to make a long story short I think me with those asari is applicable.  I'm not bi in that I have never felt a pronounced attraction to my gender.  I have however never felt an active repulsion to attraction to my gender either.  It's hard to explain.  I have never felt an active desire in that end, but I am someone who I think might actually be able to go in that direction in certain circumstances.  Anyway, I'll just say that attraction could possibly be turned into a good deal more if I had an inclination to do so.  It's a good deal more than me just thinking they are pretty.  But on the same level, I have other examples.  I totally eyeball Reegor, but my curiosity is still pretty much idle.  If he was an LI, it could be turned into something much more active I think, but right now that isn't the case.  This is how I was with turians in ME1 as well. 

I agree he's never actively pursued anything as in he never had Fornax magazines or that sort of thing.  Sort of like pre-Garrus I was never looking at NSFW turian art.  But I still idly eyeballed turians in ME1.  And everything I have seen in game to me suggests that Vaenia is human girl on asari or possibly asari on asari action.  I think it's racy.  I think it might draw some "lesbians are hawt" interest from guys.  I'll just put it like this.  I don't think most guys would be sleeping through love scenes in Vaenia.  Now whether Garrus would go for that is totally up in the air, but I think it actually might be a possibility that there is idle curiosity if nothing else.  I agree he wouldn't watch a chick flick.

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There need to be a female turian LI, that would be a good incentive to play more maleSheps. I have about the same numbers of maleSheps and Femsheps though.

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I'd have one of my malesheps romance a female turian if there was the chance. Also, in the list above you guys forgot the jack maleshep pairing for kids. Only because we can't picture someone with kids doesn't mean they don't want any. I mean, how often do I look at people meet work wise and think woah what a tough guy/chick and then I see them with their families and they're completely different people.

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

By cheeseball, I didn't mean sentimental.  I meant more like kinda goofy.  More like he might listen to some goofy Beatles music than to say Celine Dion.  Or he might be like my silly brother-in-law who will go around listening to the Star Wars and Indiana Jones themes.  He still wouldn't listen to Neil Young or something cheesy like that.  And actually, to make a long story short I think me with those asari is applicable.  I'm not bi in that I have never felt a pronounced attraction to my gender.  I have however never felt an active repulsion to attraction to my gender either.  It's hard to explain.  I have never felt an active desire in that end, but I am someone who I think might actually be able to go in that direction in certain circumstances.  Anyway, I'll just say that attraction could possibly be turned into a good deal more if I had an inclination to do so.  It's a good deal more than me just thinking they are pretty.  But on the same level, I have other examples.  I totally eyeball Reegar, but my curiosity is still pretty much idle.  If he was an LI, it could be turned into something much more active I think, but right now that isn't the case.  This is how I was with turians in ME1 as well.


Ah ok, fair enough. What I meant is that, unless you have a similar approach to both genders, you have to take the gender difference into account when making a comparison like that. If you're eyeballing Reegar, you're probably more ready to imagine him in a suggestive situation than you would with that random Consort companion. But since you do have a more uniform approach to both genders, then the comparison is more applicable, yes.



I agree he's never actively pursued anything as in he never had Fornax magazines or that sort of thing.  Sort of like pre-Garrus I was never looking at NSFW turian art.  But I still idly eyeballed turians in ME1.  And everything I have seen in game to me suggests that Vaenia is human girl on asari or possibly asari on asari action.  I think it's racy.  I think it might draw some "lesbians are hawt" interest from guys.  I'll just put it like this.  I don't think most guys would be sleeping through love scenes in Vaenia.  Now whether Garrus would go for that is totally up in the air, but I think it actually might be a possibility that there is idle curiosity if nothing else.  I agree he wouldn't watch a chick flick.


Well, it depends on the rest of the film, really. It could just be a really boring, snobbish artsy thing (Morinth seems to like that as well...part of why I dislike her) with racy love scenes thrown in to spice things up. In which case, the love scenes might simply get circulated on the internet, and guys would have a field day with them.

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I'd have one of my malesheps romance a female turian if there was the chance. Also, in the list above you guys forgot the jack maleshep pairing for kids. Only because we can't picture someone with kids doesn't mean they don't want any. I mean, how often do I look at people meet work wise and think woah what a tough guy/chick and then I see them with their families and they're completely different people.


Whoops! I knew I'd forget someone. It wasn't intentional, my apologies. Jack would be biologically able to have children with MaleShep, of course. I don't think she's anywhere near stable enough to have them right away (or will ever be), but that doesn't mean it's impossible.

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Probably been talked to death, but renegade Garrus dialogue just feels shorter to me, ie don't get much after you allow him to kill Sidonis. It just seemed to cut off so suddenly.

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Sorry dp computers doing weird crap.

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Well, maybe that song plays during a love scene? Joker has certainly been watching something Vaenia related. Again, I don't think it's definitive proof of anything. I just don't think it's totally OCC for Garrus to have seen and possibly liked both films or to at least have watched some scenes from the extranet or something.

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Probably been talked to death, but renegade Garrus dialogue just feels shorter to me, ie don't get much after you allow him to kill Sidonis. It just seemed to cut off so suddenly.


I hate this.  It almost makes me feel like I am being shepherded into taking the paragon option.  I take the paragon option for several reasons, but one of them is simply because it gives me the most dialog.  If I got just as much dialog from renegade Garrus I would be way more inclined to go that route more often.

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Well, maybe that song plays during a love scene? Joker has certainly been watching something Vaenia related. Again, I don't think it's definitive proof of anything. I just don't think it's totally OCC for Garrus to have seen and possibly liked both films or to at least have watched some scenes from the extranet or something.


I'm pretty sure, Joker forced him to watch that scene on ExtraTube xD 

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Buggirl70 wrote...

Probably been talked to death, but renegade Garrus dialogue just feels shorter to me, ie don't get much after you allow him to kill Sidonis. It just seemed to cut off so suddenly.


I hate this.  It almost makes me feel like I am being shepherded into taking the paragon option.  I take the paragon option for several reasons, but one of them is simply because it gives me the most dialog.  If I got just as much dialog from renegade Garrus I would be way more inclined to go that route more often.


Funny enough, I used to let Garrus kill Sidonis on my first 4 playthroughs lol because I thought, otherwise he wouldn't be loyal haha. Dumb, I know. But I agree....i wish there was some more dialogue for Renegade as well though I can understand why there isn't. I mean, Garrus got his revenge. There is no need for him to be mad or to reflect about all what's been said. On the other hand, I would have loved to have a conversation with him afterwards where he admits that he had thought it to be easier shooting him and that he'd expected to feel somewhat different after it but oh well...

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Well, if he expresses regret or something than renegade players could argue that they were being punished for picking the renegade option. That Garrus is only "fixed" if you go paragon. I mean, couldn't Garrus have reaffirmed his worldview or something afterwards? I guess even that isn't needed as renegade Shep probably agrees with him. I get why he says nothing. It just kind of sucks that he doesn't. When I've renegaded him I always felt like "that's it?" I mean, he has something else to say after you kill Saleon.

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Buggirl70 wrote...

Probably been talked to death, but renegade Garrus dialogue just feels shorter to me, ie don't get much after you allow him to kill Sidonis. It just seemed to cut off so suddenly.


I hate this.  It almost makes me feel like I am being shepherded into taking the paragon option.  I take the paragon option for several reasons, but one of them is simply because it gives me the most dialog.  If I got just as much dialog from renegade Garrus I would be way more inclined to go that route more often.

This irritated me in LotSB.  My renegadeShep (who romanced Liara) missed a huge chunk of dialogue - not to mention a chance to bring up "our relationship" - since that character steers clear of all paragon interrupts.  That's why I find it best from a meta perspective to approach my playthroughs: #1 pure paragon, #2 pure renegade, #3+ whatever I feel like.

[Edit] I love how you can never not gain Garrus's loyalty, no matter your choices.  Posted Image

Modifié par Tootles FTW, 16 septembre 2010 - 10:38 .