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[Kim Shepard]

Good find. I hadn't heard that one before. It's interesting that C-Sec actually asks him to come back. I figured he wouldn't go back on his own if not influenced by Shepard though.

[lovgreno]

JulianP wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
  And Garrus I think keeps his stuff stashed in that crate in the battery.  So maybe there is a cot or sleeping bag or something there in there or else he also just uses sleeper pods.

Whenever I go visit him in there, it makes me think of those old WWII photos of guys crashing in the space between the torpedo tubes on sumbarines.

I think those sleeper pods might be a little small for a turian so I say he probably have a bed of some sort stashed away somewhere in his calibration room. It's probably practical to sleep there if he should wake up with a craving for calibrations. I any case Garrus will have a much bigger bed to sleep in elswhere on the ship eventualy.

[J4N3_M3]

on a different note, this came through the Cerberus Daily News on Saturday and I found it quite interesting.

In a disturbing discovery, two hikers recently found a mass grave on the planet of Uresium. Investigatorshave now confirmed over 430 skeletal remains of turian soldiers dating back to the Krogan Rebellions of 749 CE. Recent seismic activity on Uresium exposed the grave, which had been overgrown by local flora. Turian authorities have begun work with local colonists to ensure the integrity of the site and its remains. Chief archaeologist and historian Salur Darikun released a statement saying, “We will ensure that these sons and daughters of the Turian Hierarchy are returned home and recognized for their supreme sacrifice.” Darikun hopes to begin transporting the remains to Palaven early next week, with a laying-to-rest ceremony planned for later in the month.
Source: CDN

Modifié par J4N3_M3, 20 septembre 2010 - 07:55 .

[J4N3_M3]

sorry double post because I'm too dumb to tell quote from edit -.-

Modifié par J4N3_M3, 20 septembre 2010 - 07:55 .

[Bugsie]

I never even paid any attention to Garrus's hideout on Omega, I can't believe I missed it, and I've played it so many friggin' times!!



Obviously Garrus doesn't have cushion rage!

[Nilfalasiel]

I'm of the opinion that they didn't think too hard about the pillows on that bed, much like they didn't really bother with the shapes of the bodies in the bags. They all look the same (and the female krogan on Mordin's LM also looked generic). And considering how long it took us to notice that bed, I really don't think the developers were going to bother scratching their heads about how turians were going to sleep on normal pillows.

Concerning Garrus' squaddies, that's what they sound like to me:

Erash - Either turian or batarian
Monteague - Human
Mierin - Salarian
Grundan Krul - Krogan. I was thinking it could also be a volus at first, but it sounds a bit too harsh by comparison with other volus names. So my money's on krogan.
Melanis - Turian or salarian
Ripper - Human, but it does sound more like a nickname. Maybe this guy didn't want his real name to be known?
Sensat - Turian
Vortash - Turian or batarian
Butler - Human
Weaver - Human

And yeah, I agree that it's interesting that C-Sec asks for Garrus to come back if you go neutral, considering how he left them. Either they lost a lot of people during the Sovereign attack and were desperate for experienced agents, or Garrus was just that good, despite the fact that the Saren case seemed a lot like sabotage (as in, C-Sec trying to sabotage Garrus).

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 20 septembre 2010 - 09:46 .

[Bugsie]

I'd agree with most of those Nilf, except I think Vortash sounds batarian. Wasn't there somewhere on the main forums where they said what species they were?

[Nilfalasiel]

Buggirl70 wrote...

I'd agree with most of those Nilf, except I think Vortash sounds batarian. Wasn't there somewhere on the main forums where they said what species they were?

Well, I did cite batarian as a possibility for that one as well. I think both of the names that end in "sh" could go both ways: either turian or batarian.

Although...considering that there was only one batarian on the team, and since the "sh" names sound so similar, it's likely those two were the same race. Ie. not batarian.

I don't know if there's been any official word on what species the squaddies were, but I doubt it. We probably wouldn't be speculating about it if there had been.

[J4N3_M3]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Buggirl70 wrote...

I'd agree with most of those Nilf, except I think Vortash sounds batarian. Wasn't there somewhere on the main forums where they said what species they were?

Well, I did cite batarian as a possibility for that one as well. I think both of the names that end in "sh" could go both ways: either turian or batarian.

Although...considering that there was only one batarian on the team, and since the "sh" names sound so similar, it's likely those two were the same race. Ie. not batarian.

I don't know if there's been any official word on what species the squaddies were, but I doubt it. We probably wouldn't be speculating about it if there had been.

Ripper could have been the one Batarian as well. I mean, he was a special expert at tech stuff wasn't he? Bombs and all that? So maybe that's his nickname ?

[J4N3_M3]

as for the name Butler....don't you guys remember the email we get from one of the wives? Nalah Butler?

Commander Shepard,

My husband was one of the men serving on Garrus' team. I don't how much Garrus talked to you about what happened. I don't know the specifics myself, only that my husband died in a trap set by those bastard gangs. I know Garrus blames himself; he took every shot fired at his squad at a failure on his part, and it was clear when he sent me the message about my husband that he thinks it was his fault.

My husband would never have wanted that. He was proud of the work he did on Garrus' squad. He was taking back Omega from the gangs. He died fighting with honor. I miss him. God, I'd give anything to get him back. But whatever happened there wasn't Garrus' fault.

You're his commander now. Please, if you can, help him stop blaming himself. And please don't tell that I sent you this. Thank you.

- Nalah Butler

Modifié par J4N3_M3, 20 septembre 2010 - 09:57 .

[Nilfalasiel]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

Ripper could have been the one Batarian as well. I mean, he was a special expert at tech stuff wasn't he? Bombs and all that? So maybe that's his nickname ?

Actually, the salarian was the explosives expert. The batarian was tech, but, according to Garrus himself, that seems to mostly include picking locks and hacking. So they're two different things.

I made a similar mistake in my fic: I initially made the salarian the techie and the batarian the explosives expert. It feels more natural that way to me, actually.

And yes, I definitely remember that email. Which is why we know that Butler is human.

[J4N3_M3]

Personally I wouldn't mind some more dossiers about the men he had on his team xD

[nekhbet]

It's a bit weird that Nalah knows Garrus by name, btw. It's made pretty clear that nobody has a clue who the Archangel is. Not even the mercs knew who he was. I guess that means Sidonis only sold out the location of the base and nothing more. Still, it seems a bit odd that the entire crew and their families knew his identity and it never once leaked out...

[J4N3_M3]

nekhbet wrote...

It's a bit weird that Nalah knows Garrus by name, btw. It's made pretty clear that nobody has a clue who the Archangel is. Not even the mercs knew who he was. I guess that means Sidonis only sold out the location of the base and nothing more. Still, it seems a bit odd that the entire crew and their families knew his identity and it never once leaked out...

she mentions a message though, that she had received so he might have used his real name for that one. I mean, after all the locals have called him Archangel, not he himself. And Sidonis knew his real name as well, judging by his reaction when you talk to him during Garrus' loyalty mission.

[Nilfalasiel]

EDIT: Because I can't read

It does seem not particularly safe for one of Garrus' squaddies to tell his wife about his identity. Not sure how she could've found out otherwise...Maybe, like Jane says, she figured it out from his message somehow?

I'm pretty sure the squaddies themselves all knew who Garrus was, at least. He definitely knew who they were, so it would seem odd that they wouldn't. Heck, if they watch a minimum of news vids, they could probably recognize him from after the Sovereign attack. I'm sure he featured on the news after that.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 20 septembre 2010 - 11:38 .

[Bugsie]

Garrus would have likely got the name Archangel after his team died not before is my guess and his squad would have likely existed or even appeared as just another merc group on Omega. And if thats the case then it's likely their families would have known they were doing something to try and help clean up the criminal element and would know each others names, Hell they might have had family BBQ's together for all we know!

[J4N3_M3]

Buggirl70 wrote...

Garrus would have likely got the name Archangel after his team died not before is my guess and his squad would have likely existed or even appeared as just another merc group on Omega. And if thats the case then it's likely their families would have known they were doing something to try and help clean up the criminal element and would know each others names, Hell they might have had family BBQ's together for all we know!

I actually disagree on that. He said, he went to Omega and started to do things. So my guess is that people were actually calling him Archangel before he even had assembled his team. I can actually picture his team members going around Omega like "Where can I find Archangel?" "Last I heard he took out some merc in this and this district" ...then Garrus enters the scene at some point...."I heard you were looking for me! Why?" "Because I wanna join you" 

or

Garrus and one of his team members have the same target and encounter during eliminating it, then team up.

"So, you're the one they call Archangel." 
"Yeah, just a name the locals gave me." 
"My name's Vortash." 
"Garrus Vakarian." 
*shake hands*

so I think, they maybe stuck with Archangel since it had this mystic aura. And there were humans on the team, so maybe one explained to him, what Archangel meant and the team figured it'd fit the things they were doing best so he being their leader, should keep that name in public, at least.

And yeah, I don't think any of his team ever told anyone his real name unless Garrus did so himself. So my guess still is that when his men died, he informed the families and it felt silly or unjustified to him, to use Archangel, so he wrote Garrus instead.

[Nilfalasiel]

I agree with Jane. When you recruit Garrus, it's only been two days at most since his team got offed, so the locals wouldn't have had the time to start calling him Archangel in that interval. It takes a bit of time for nicknames like that to spread, and two days is definitely too short for that to happen.

It's actually logical that he may have started to be called Archangel before even getting a team. When Shepard asks him how he managed to recruit people, he says "prove that you can get things done, and people join up". He had to earn some kind of reputation before people started being interested in his cause.

And I definitely think that he'd been too modest/self-conscious to sign any email Archangel. Especially an email informing someone that he'd just gotten their husband/brother/son killed.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 20 septembre 2010 - 12:14 .

[Bugsie]

Yes you're both right, i just looked at the wiki, it says that Garrus is

a tactical genius and infiltrator known as Archangel, who is currently operating out of Omega. Apparently, over the past few months, Archangel has developed a reputation of being nothing short of a menace to Omega's crime empires; arriving with his team of twelve operatives, Archangel caused an impressive amount of trouble for three of the Terminus Systems' most powerful and successful mercenary groups (Blue Suns, Blood Pack and Eclipse). The impact on the mercenary groups' operations was so devastating that it drove all three into forming a temporary alliance with one another, intending to use all their available manpower and resources to eliminate Archangel.

Which means he had the name Archangel for a while, and whilst his team was alive.



However I had no sense of the timeline between when his team were betrayed and when he was held up in his base from my playthroughs. But it makes sense now that and I have seen the bodybags that Julian posted pics of earlier (which I had never noticed before at all), I just thought it was longer between the betrayal and him holed up in the base.



I'd agree that he would call himself Garrus to a fallen comrades family. His guilt would have been overwhelming at the time and he'd unlikely see himself as anyones hero.

[BirdieShepard]

Garrus/Archangel had only been on Omega a few months when Shepard got there and Aria's SB Dossier (kind of) implies that he wasn't called Archangel before he arrived. I think he probably spent the 1-1.5 years between Spectre Training and Omega building up a team; also, it's not exactly plausible that he'd have only known Sidonis a few months and be so severely affected by the betrayal.

I think that he's entirely indifferent to the name Archangel; to quote, "I don't mind it, but please, it's just Garrus to you". He sees the failure as more his fault than Archangels'.

Modifié par BirdieShepard, 20 septembre 2010 - 01:27 .

[J4N3_M3]

BirdieShepard wrote...

Garrus/Archangel had only been on Omega a few months when Shepard got there and Aria's SB Dossier (kind of) implies that he wasn't called Archangel before he arrived. I think he probably spent the 1-1.5 years between Spectre Training and Omega building up a team; also, it's not exactly plausible that he'd have only known Sidonis a few months and be so severely affected by the betrayal.

I think that he's entirely indifferent to the name Archangel; to quote, "I don't mind it, but please, it's just Garrus to you". He sees the failure as more his fault than Archangels'.

Actually I do think that he was kinda proud when people started calling him Archangel because it made him realize, that he was actually ACHIEVING something. It's more like the fact that his team was killed, that he changed his mind about it and the fact that Shep asks him about it, like he's embarassed that he had even thought about doing something like Shep has done. Like he's gone way over the top with all this and in the end it came all crashing down on him. At least, that's how it appeared to me.

Regarding the timeline...I think he built his team over time and the twelve people were his final team at the end on Omega. I do think that his team joining him had already started before he even set foot on Omega. But I can't quite prove it.

[Sialater]

Just because Aria noticed him a few months ago doesn't mean he wasn't on Omega already and doing his vigilante thing. He just wasn't at his peak effectiveness yet.

Aria would never want to even remotely indicate her intelligence network fails. Witness her rage when you tell her about the two plots against her.


Oh, and if anyone's keeping up:  The Shepard Project:  Persephone Rising has been updated.

Modifié par Sialater, 20 septembre 2010 - 01:47 .

[JulianP]

Buggirl70 wrote...


Obviously Garrus doesn't have cushion rage!

Lol!  He keeps the cushion around to ward off Daleks!

[Sialater]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I think he recruited his team off Omega. I think that's why they cared so much. They were from there and personally involved. That's what inspires the level of loyalty he had. I don't think he just picked up some random people in other places with the prospect of going off to Omega to shoot mercs. I'm not entirely sure he actually planned that far ahead. I think he ended up on Omega somehow and things just fell into place. I don't think he quit C-Sec and then immediately thought "oh, I'll go shoot mercs on Omega." More like he went searching and that's where he ended up.

I agree with you.  And Aria just may not have been aware of him till he started doing some REAL damage.