I'm hoping Bioware do a great job with Garrus' character development, but unfortunately, we probably won't get to see the results much due to time/size constraints. I have little doubt, however, that when we do see it the quality will be great.
Calibrations: Garrus Love and Turian Discussion
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Posté 22 septembre 2010 - 03:03
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I posted my opinion in that shirt thread too, as well as a quick pic I did in photoshop of the sort of design I'd like to see. I really hope they go with something that has the logo/patch on it! Otherwise I'll have to make one myself
I'm hoping Bioware do a great job with Garrus' character development, but unfortunately, we probably won't get to see the results much due to time/size constraints. I have little doubt, however, that when we do see it the quality will be great.
I'm hoping Bioware do a great job with Garrus' character development, but unfortunately, we probably won't get to see the results much due to time/size constraints. I have little doubt, however, that when we do see it the quality will be great.
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Posté 22 septembre 2010 - 05:43
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I think everyone probably knows this by now, but I encourage him towards Renegade both times. I don't know if I'll ever manage to play through it Paragon - it's just too out-of-character for the types of characters I like to play to be forgiving, merciful, etc. And if I come up with a Shepard specifically for that, it'll be like a betrayal to the Shepards who have such strong feelings about this. xD If making a choice in the game stops being fun, then there's no point. There are some things my Shepards will never do, and this might be one of them.Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
Out of curiosity, what do you guys do with Garrus on your "canon" playthroughs? My canon is to renegade him in ME1 and to paragon him in ME2. Though actually I don't pick just paragon or renegade dialog options in either case. It ends up being about half and half.
MainShep won't encourage Garrus to kill Saren though, for obvious reasons.
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Posté 22 septembre 2010 - 05:45
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I never did this. I always stuck with either pushing him towards paragon or renegade in both games. Never went for paragon in the first and renegade in the second. or the other way around. Wouldn't make any sense to me. Not even for my renegade sheps.
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Posté 22 septembre 2010 - 05:52
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Ive always lead Garrus toward the paragon path. He needs to be a hero thinking with his head, not some murderous renegade killing whoever doesn't comply to his "code."
That's called being a serial killer.
That's called being a serial killer.
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Posté 22 septembre 2010 - 05:53
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My reasoning is very involved and would require a wall of text and would probably be more suitable to the Shepard thread in Clan V as it gets into the personality of my mainshep a lot. I have two versions of this character, one's a cheater. One isn't. The cheater actually completely renegades him.
My dudeshep full out renegades him. Thaneshep paragons him. And newest paragon Shep that will romance him will full out paragon him as well. If it was literally "me" in the game, I'd probably end up with neutral Garrus in ME1 and then I'd paragon him in ME2.
My dudeshep full out renegades him. Thaneshep paragons him. And newest paragon Shep that will romance him will full out paragon him as well. If it was literally "me" in the game, I'd probably end up with neutral Garrus in ME1 and then I'd paragon him in ME2.
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#11931
Posté 22 septembre 2010 - 12:21
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Eradyn wrote...
Also, I lent my voice in that thread. I do hope they go back to the drawing board for the Garrus shirt. I'll buy it, regardless, just because it's Garrus (and we need more Garrus merch...still waiting on a chibi Garrus plushy :3), but I won't wear their currently proposed design.
The store is actually planning to release a line of plushies soon, so hopefully the wait won't be too long. I just hope they don't mess up their design like they did with the tshirt.
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Posté 22 septembre 2010 - 12:37
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Really? Woohoo! Yeah, I hope they don't. There are a few really good versions of a chibi/cute Garrus, so hopefully they can draw inspiration and we'll get an adorable Garrus plushy. X3
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Posté 22 septembre 2010 - 12:38
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Eradyn wrote...
Shepard's views may be in line with Garrus' own...or wildly different...doesn't make Shepard "older or wiser." Many of Shepard's actions (choices) are rather foolish, realistically, and it's only the magic of "player can do no wrong" that they turn out alright. But I guess it's because, from my perspective, I've never seen the "Student/Teacher" thing. I dunno, for me it's always just been about two equals from different walks of life learning from each other and taking the other's opinions into consideration (and either accepting or rejecting those opinions/conclusions for themselves). This stems from my own worldview where I am very confident in my stances but am still willing to allow and consider others' opinions and experiences, and then incorporate them into myself if I find they have merit.
Sorry to bring up a post from earlier, things have moved on in the thread before I had time to respond. "Older and wiser" may not be the most appropriate term I used Eradyn, but neither is Student/teacher - maybe Mentor/mentee fits better. I still feel that Shep has a guiding influence over Garrus - one that comes about from equals but where one has more experience/authority whatever you want to call it. That doesnt mean that I think Garrus puts Shep on a pedestal Its more that he is willing to follow someone because he feels they know more or he can learn more (even if those actions/choices are as you say foolish or in this instance sucidal!)
And no I really don't like that Garrus t-shirt, but thats maybe cos I'm an old fart, and its too loud! Turn that damn T-shirt down Bioware!
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Posté 22 septembre 2010 - 12:57
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I still want BW to make Three Squad Moon.
It will bring the squaddies you lost on the Suicide Mission back to life.
It will bring the squaddies you lost on the Suicide Mission back to life.
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Posté 22 septembre 2010 - 01:02
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i want a simple C-SEC t-shirt.
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Posté 22 septembre 2010 - 01:05
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...You've got to be kidding me.Damsel of Distress wrote...
The store is actually planning to release a line of plushies soon, so hopefully the wait won't be too long. I just hope they don't mess up their design like they did with the tshirt.
Thats just great, now i can cross that final line into insane psychotic obsession for this series.
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Posté 22 septembre 2010 - 01:08
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Most have us have already crossed over, come join us we have dextro friendly cookies.TheodoricFriede wrote...
...You've got to be kidding me.Damsel of Distress wrote...
The store is actually planning to release a line of plushies soon, so hopefully the wait won't be too long. I just hope they don't mess up their design like they did with the tshirt.
Thats just great, now i can cross that final line into insane psychotic obsession for this series.
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Posté 22 septembre 2010 - 01:25
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PLUSHIES? 
u know, I have a stormtrooper plushy. Gonna go post a pic in clan v asap!
u know, I have a stormtrooper plushy. Gonna go post a pic in clan v asap!
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Posté 22 septembre 2010 - 01:30
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I'm attempting to make a chibi plushie at the moment, I was going to make a Garrus, but a Thane one seems easier.
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Posté 22 septembre 2010 - 03:00
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Buggirl70 wrote...
Eradyn wrote...
Shepard's views may be in line with Garrus' own...or wildly different...doesn't make Shepard "older or wiser." Many of Shepard's actions (choices) are rather foolish, realistically, and it's only the magic of "player can do no wrong" that they turn out alright. But I guess it's because, from my perspective, I've never seen the "Student/Teacher" thing. I dunno, for me it's always just been about two equals from different walks of life learning from each other and taking the other's opinions into consideration (and either accepting or rejecting those opinions/conclusions for themselves). This stems from my own worldview where I am very confident in my stances but am still willing to allow and consider others' opinions and experiences, and then incorporate them into myself if I find they have merit.
Sorry to bring up a post from earlier, things have moved on in the thread before I had time to respond. "Older and wiser" may not be the most appropriate term I used Eradyn, but neither is Student/teacher - maybe Mentor/mentee fits better. I still feel that Shep has a guiding influence over Garrus - one that comes about from equals but where one has more experience/authority whatever you want to call it. That doesnt mean that I think Garrus puts Shep on a pedestal Its more that he is willing to follow someone because he feels they know more or he can learn more (even if those actions/choices are as you say foolish or in this instance sucidal!)
And no I really don't like that Garrus t-shirt, but thats maybe cos I'm an old fart, and its too loud! Turn that damn T-shirt down Bioware!
I agree with you; I can't tell you how much the "student/padawan" comparison makes me want to spaz, because the Garrus portrayed ingame is not like that. Even if you paragon him, his dialogue shows it isn't unbridled acceptance of your pov. And that reality is shown in ME2 where, surprise, he's still his own man with his own mind. Which made me ridiculously happy. Yeah, he wants to see how a Spectre gets stuff done...doesn't mean he's a step from childhood with no experience or opinions or beliefs or something. XD The man's at least as old as Shepard and he's had an accomplished, if frustrating, career.
And not saying you were saying that.
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Posté 22 septembre 2010 - 03:16
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Damsel of Distress wrote...
The store is actually planning to release a line of plushies soon, so hopefully the wait won't be too long. I just hope they don't mess up their design like they did with the tshirt.
Bioware litterally just stole all of my money.
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Posté 22 septembre 2010 - 03:26
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Where did they announce this?Damsel of Distress wrote...
The store is actually planning to release a line of plushies soon
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Posté 22 septembre 2010 - 03:37
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Actually, I do understand how people can get the impression that they aren't full out equals in ME1 simply because Shepard is in a position of authority over him that Garrus acknowledges. Garrus is much more deferring in ME1. I mean how often have you heard him call somebody "ma'am"? He only does it with Shep. He certainly didn't show that level of respect to Pallin so it's not just because he is some kind of nice, demure guy who holds his tongue. Or how he will start to protest with a "I didn't mean" and then cuts himself off to say "I understand, Commander." Garrus acknowledges Shepard's authority. He even implies before the Saleon conversation that Shep has seen more than he has albeit he goes on to say that he himself has also seen some interesting things. I can think of numerous instances where Garrus defers or else where he regards Shepard with a respect that goes beyond "we're pals." Garrus is not green. Doesn't mean he is as experienced as Shep is either. I don't think their relationship is equal at all in ME1 which is precisely why I'm glad the romance wasn't in that game. I think ME2 fits the whole thing of "two friends who respect each other as equals and listen to each others opinions" much more than ME1 does. The "Padawan; Jedi; Master" analogy is unfortunate insofar as "padawan" denotes an image of green and clueless. I don't see it that way. I just see it as an image of growth going over three stages which is precisely what I think is happening with Garrus. He even goes through this arc if he isn't recruited in ME1 which definitely proves he can do it on his own. It still doesn't mean he and Shep were on complete equal footing in ME1.
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Posté 22 septembre 2010 - 03:50
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I just thought of something else. I've never thought Garrus wasn't confident. That's obviously not the case. Maybe paragon Shep doesn't really change his mind. Maybe paragon Shep shows him that sometimes your own personal experiences and abilities might not actually give a complete view of the situation. I've often said I thought Garrus was pissed with guys like Pallin because they just shut him down and never bothered to explain why. So it looked like they were doing crappy stuff for no damn good reason, while he had various good reasons for wanting to do what he did. Plus his own instincts and experiences steered him right repeatedly so I get why he trusted them. He should trust them. So my point is, maybe paragon Shep doesn't change Garrus philosophy. Maybe she just gets him to realize that thinking outside the box is a good thing to do because even your instincts (though accurate) still might not give you a full account of the situation.
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Posté 22 septembre 2010 - 04:05
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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
So my point is, maybe paragon Shep doesn't change Garrus philosophy. Maybe she just gets him to realize that thinking outside the box is a good thing to do because even your instincts (though accurate) still might not give you a full account of the situation.
But wouldn't that qualify as changing his philosophy anyway? If his philosophy is to trust entirely his own experience, showing him that sometimes, that's not enough, and you have to take a step back and take another perspective would qualify as changing his philosophy. Or, at the very least, influencing it.
I'm not averse to Garrus changing. Every other character does, to some extent, often because of their interaction with Shepard. I don't see why it should be different for Garrus. After all, it's not like he had it all figured out before he met Shep, he actually came along because he wanted to get a different perspective, see how Spectres do it.
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Posté 22 septembre 2010 - 04:06
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see how Spectres do it.
Oh, look... hi, gutter!
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Posté 22 septembre 2010 - 04:09
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ciaweth wrote...
Where did they announce this?Damsel of Distress wrote...
The store is actually planning to release a line of plushies soon
I give the gift of plushie development.
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Posté 22 septembre 2010 - 04:18
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Sialater wrote...
Nilfalasiel wrote...
see how Spectres do it.
Oh, look... hi, gutter!
Ha! Didn't even notice that one! How unusual.
Obviously, Spectres do it under the covers.
(*hint hint* *wink wink* *nudge nudge*)
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Posté 22 septembre 2010 - 04:19
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Damsel of Distress wrote...
I give the girft of plushie development.
And this is how I crossed over from mild mannered fan to raving lunatic fangirl dressed in Garrus apparel clutching my Garrus plushy having dinner at my PC with a Garrus background so I'm not so lonely
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Posté 22 septembre 2010 - 04:20
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Hazzel42 wrote...
Damsel of Distress wrote...
I give the gift of plushie development.
And this is how I crossed over from mild mannered fan to raving lunatic fangirl dressed in Garrus apparel clutching my Garrus plushy having dinner at my PC with a Garrus background so I'm not so lonely
Welcome! Care for some tea?
