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[nekhbet]

Nilfalasiel wrote...
Actually, I'm not sure about it being the same target group for ME and DAO. ME is much more directed towards casual players and FPS-players. DAO is a lot more hardcore, stat-tinkering, high-fantasy RPG. In fact, I'm willing to bet that the backlash against Zevran occurred from people who usually play shooters and ME, and who decided to try DAO, then got icked by the "sleazy gay elf", as they so tactfully put it.

Also, I'll point out Jade Empire: the romance options were not equivalent in that. Silk Fox and Sky were bi, but Dawn Star was a straight female. There was no straight male equivalent, so male players got one extra LI option. That's telling me that they tend to pay more attention to the male players. So I can see them being concerned about what part of the male demographic would be accepting of a gay romance and what part wouldn't be, and figuring out that the part that wouldn't be would be more likely to play ME than either DAO or JE.

That could be, but ME has been marketed as a RPG and not primarily an action game. And males are the majority audience, regardless of the genre, also for DAO. I didn't play JE so I'm not familiar with their romance options.

Mono-gendered, ne? The Codex states "asari have one gender".

The word I was looking for is hermaphrodite, but I'm just halfway through my morning coffee and brain's not functioning yet. They have to have some DNA swapping happening between two asari procreating, and the asari you speak to say one partner is the father and other the mother. This DNA swapping doesn't happen in interspecies relationships (lore suggests it's a myth), but that doesn't mean an individual asari couldn't choose whether she's the male or the female in the relationship with an alien.

With that, I don't think the asari LI is definitely a homosexual relationship with a FemShep. It can be, but isn't necessarily. And it could also be a homosexual relationship for a MaleShep, if the player so wants. The canon lore makes this possible, if one's willing to look past the clearly female appearance of the asari.

Annnnnd to keep this on topic:

[UnDutchable]

I think on the whole ME is a bit more prudish (not sure if this is the right word) than DA:O. I mean, In DA:O, my character could have a foursome with a pirate, a bard, and an assassin or a templar. Not that I necessarily want to see that in ME, as funny as it would be, but it just surprised me how much easier it was to sleep around in a medieval world than in a futuristic one.

Awesome Garrus Moment of the Day:
Taking Garrus and Zaeed to Haestrom and watching them shoot down the geth recon drones so fast that they couldn't even finish their sentences.
*bang* "Scoped and dro-"
*bang* "Hell of a sho-"
*bang* "I love this rif-"
*bang*
It was hilarious.

[Nilfalasiel]

nekhbet wrote...

That could be, but ME has been marketed as a RPG and not primarily an action game. And males are the majority audience, regardless of the genre, also for DAO. I didn't play JE so I'm not familiar with their romance options.

It may have been marketed as an RPG, but the premise of space opera + guns does play a part in determining the gaming audience. People who generally play FPS would have at least given this a try, if only because they got curious about the combat system. That's precisely why it did so well: it successfully crossed genre boundaries. Much more so than DAO. But crossing genre boundaries also means making compromises, and ME2 shows that it's made compromises to the FPS crowd. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but it's visible. If only in the fact that they majorly toned down the sexual content in the romances (aka. dry-humping).

The word I was looking for is hermaphrodite, but I'm just halfway through my morning coffee and brain's not functioning yet. They have to have some DNA swapping happening between two asari procreating, and the asari you speak to say one partner is the father and other the mother. This DNA swapping doesn't happen in interspecies relationships (lore suggests it's a myth), but that doesn't mean an individual asari couldn't choose whether she's the male or the female in the relationship with an alien.

With that, I don't think the asari LI is definitely a homosexual relationship with a FemShep. It can be, but isn't necessarily. And it could also be a homosexual relationship for a MaleShep, if the player so wants. The canon lore makes this possible, if one's willing to look past the clearly female appearance of the asari.

That's precisely the problem though: the clearly female appearance of the asari greatly encourages you, as a human, to view them as a female for all other intents and purposes. Had they made asari less markedly female in their appearance, I would've had a much easier time viewing them as hermaphrodite. As things stand though, they look like women, so obviously, it's much easier to think of them as women. So while an asari might think of herself as the male in a relationship with a male alien, chances are a straight MaleShep who has a relationship with an asari will think of her as a female and will probably be weirded out if he realizes she's thinking of herself as a male. Not that I think asari actually do that...I don't think they have as clearly defined a notion of what "male" and "female" is, and simply use those terms, as well as "mother" and "father" to make it easier on other races. It can be inferred from talking to Liara in ME1.

But yeah, Garrus. That pic always cracks me up, even if the idea of mutant babies makes me die inside a little.

UnDutchable wrote...

I think on the whole ME is a bit more prudish (not sure if this is the right word) than DA:O. I mean, In DA:O, my character could have a foursome with a pirate, a bard, and an assassin or a templar. Not that I necessarily want to see that in ME, as funny as it would be, but it just surprised me how much easier it was to sleep around in a medieval world than in a futuristic one.

Definitely more "prudish". DAO is not only more disinhibited with its sexual content (with the major exception of underwear during sex scenes), but just as disinhibited with its violence. ME tones down both, to a certain extent (the violence less than the sex, especially in ME2).

And yeah, I've noticed Garrus tripping over his battle cries in my current playthrough as well. Funnily enough, it's never happened before. Or, at least, not as much.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 23 septembre 2010 - 10:27 .

[nekhbet]

Yeah, I agree that the execution of the hermaphrodite wasn't really well done (if that's what BioWare was aiming at; given the fact the lore does support it seems purposeful).

I can't help but see an opening for a crackfic now: Sha'ira and Septimus, where Sha'ira is the one wearing the pants.

... explains why Septimus is whining at the bar and taking revenge by spreading nasty rumours!

Modifié par nekhbet, 23 septembre 2010 - 11:02 .

[Steel Dancer]

Eradyn wrote...

kglaser wrote...

Totally straight guys have admitted in this thread (and the others preceeding it) to be willing to turn gay just for Garrus. And how can I blame them? 8)

It's The Voice, I tell you.  Like a siren's call or a flame to a moth...people just can't help themselves.

It was the Three Wolf Moon shirt dammit!  That on Garrus would make anyone switch sides!

[lovgreno]

Collider wrote...

Personally if male Shepards were bi, I may actually do a maleshep/Garrus playthrough. Honestly, I don't know what it is about Garrus...but I would totally be his....

LOL I don't think you're alone.

Far from alone I say.

[Homebound]

Do you think Garrus prays to Shepard's group battle spirit thingy? If my Turian is correct, they believe that everything has a spirit or something. Including fireteams.

[Nilfalasiel]

Just_mike wrote...

Do you think Garrus prays to Shepard's group battle spirit thingy? If my Turian is correct, they believe that everything has a spirit or something. Including fireteams.

That depends on whether Garrus is religious or not. Personally, he doesn't strike me as being very spiritual, so I don't think he does.

[Sialater]

I doubt he's terribly religious. But even an atheist takes the Lord's name in vain every once in a while.

[Nilfalasiel]

Sialater wrote...

I doubt he's terribly religious. But even an atheist takes the Lord's name in vain every once in a while.

I'm sure he can say "by the Spirits", or something along those lines; it's just that I don't see him praying.

[ciaweth]

If Garrus is religious, he's certainly the "nonbroadcasting" sort.

[oenis]

nekhbet wrote...

Yeah, I agree that the execution of the hermaphrodite wasn't really well done (if that's what BioWare was aiming at; given the fact the lore does support it seems purposeful).

I can't help but see an opening for a crackfic now: Sha'ira and Septimus, where Sha'ira is the one wearing the pants.

... explains why Septimus is whining at the bar and taking revenge by spreading nasty rumours!

Okay, this cracked me up . 

As for the whole asari mono gendered thing ... they are so overtly female. Like why even pretend at that point? They all have feminine shapes and voices and wear makeup. They are just blue women. I've never gotten any sort of male vibe from them. 

[ciaweth]

Aethyta is the most manly asari I've run across, and she still strikes me as one hot lady.

[Nilfalasiel]

ciaweth wrote...

Aethyta is the most manly asari I've run across, and she still strikes me as one hot lady.

 I agree with this.

[Homebound]

With a space-boat full of aliens, they sure are submissive to human ways. :/



It'd give Garrus some extra "ImaTurian" face time if he did do something Turianish like pray to the squad's battle spirit. Or something like that.

[oenis]

Garrus never seems to display thoughts of things outside what can be understood with his five senses. I'm not familiar with Turian spirituality, but like, when his squad died ... they were dead (much too early). He didn't mention anything about their spirits or life after death. There is no atonement beyond one's life (I think this is why he tries to mediate justice). The absence of spirituality doesn't mean it isn't there of course, but I am making the assumption based on the information at hand.

[Homebound]

Read this with Patrick Warburton's voice for Shepard.

[ciaweth]

oenis wrote...

Garrus never seems to display thoughts of things outside what can be understood with his five senses. I'm not familiar with Turian spirituality, but like, when his squad died ... they were dead (much too early). He didn't mention anything about their spirits or life after death. There is no atonement beyond one's life (I think this is why he tries to mediate justice). The absence of spirituality doesn't mean it isn't there of course, but I am making the assumption based on the information at hand.

I'm firmly in the "we don't know either way whether Garrus is religious" camp.  I've known plenty of people who never displayed their religious beliefs, who I later found out (sometimes after they died) were quite devout.  I've also met people who spouted constantly about their religion who turned out not to really believe what they were saying.  We just don't have any solid basis on which to form a conclusion, with Garrus.  Maybe in ME3.

My wild speculation is that he doesn't spend a lot of time appealing to spirits, but that he's very culturally turian in terms of respect for the dead, etc., despite his break with his father.

[Hazzel42]

You know I think that Garrus could be spiritual (as in appreciating the fact there's unexplained greater forces etc out there) and not Religious (as in practising a specific set of religious beliefs). If he were spiritual I doubt he'd say much to anyone since that's a more personal, private kind of thing. Kind of between you and the universe.

[Eradyn]

I don't think you'll see any turians appealing to any spirits, unless they held beliefs different than the traditional turian belief system. The traditional turian belief system is more a philosophy than an actual religious system. While they believe in the existence of spirits, they don't believe these spirits to have any affect on the world of the living beyond being a tool that can help inspire the living. They can't grant blessings or divine favor, they can't turn the tide of battle, they can't harm or heal, and so forth.

A turian might draw inspiration from the spirit of his legion, but he wouldn't pray to it since it can't do anything beyond inspire. So again, more a philosophy for turians than anything else.

Modifié par Eradyn, 23 septembre 2010 - 05:51 .

[JediSoth]

I always liked Garrus. I wanted more dialog with him in ME, especially after you finish his little sidequest and he thanks you. I really felt like he and my Shepard were best buds, brothers if you will, bond forged in the fires of combat. I loved the reunion in ME2 and the small bit of banter after you bring him on board the Normandy was great. I wanted more.



I am a little miffed that he didn't warn me about that bartender in Afterlife, though.

[Sialater]

JediSoth wrote...

I always liked Garrus. I wanted more dialog with him in ME, especially after you finish his little sidequest and he thanks you. I really felt like he and my Shepard were best buds, brothers if you will, bond forged in the fires of combat. I loved the reunion in ME2 and the small bit of banter after you bring him on board the Normandy was great. I wanted more.

I am a little miffed that he didn't warn me about that bartender in Afterlife, though.

Yeah.. most of ua like to think he was distracted by either Fem Shep's butt, or if MaleShep, a hot turian chick walked by.

Modifié par Sialater, 23 septembre 2010 - 06:06 .

[Eradyn]

mrsph wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

I don't think you'll see any turians appealing to any spirits, unless they held beliefs different than the traditional turian belief system. The traditional turian belief system is more a philosophy than an actual religious system. While they believe in the existence of spirits, they don't believe these spirits to have any affect on the world of the living beyond being a tool that can help inspire the living. They can't grant blessings or divine favor, they can't turn the tide of battle, they can't harm or heal, and so forth.

A turian might draw inspiration from the spirit of his legion, but he wouldn't pray to it since it can't do anything beyond inspire. So again, more a philosophy for turians than anything else.

Which is probably why a lot of them liked Buddhism.

Exactly. Buddhism isn't too far a jump from the turian belief system, so I can see why they would be more apt to switch to that. There's only one turian I can recall who actually invoked God, and that was the Me1 turian scientist on Noveria.

[JediSoth]

Sialater wrote...

Yeah.. most of ua like to think he was distracted by either Fem Shep's butt, or if MaleShep, a hot turian chick walked by.

Maybe he was distracted by that new girl squatting down in Engineering. You know, the one that wore nothing from the waist up except tattoos. Maybe "calibrations" was code for something....dirty.

Modifié par JediSoth, 23 septembre 2010 - 06:26 .