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[nekhbet]

Alexine wrote...
As for dancing Garrus: He could have danced if ME allowed us to control our squaddie

The funniest thing is, that Garrus looks a lot better dancing than MaleShep. I just clicked "related" and there's this crazy IGN video... and yeah, some of those MaleShep scenes are just... cheesy. But put Garrus there, and it looks a lot less horrible.

[Kim Shepard]

I thought so too. It's been a while since I made MaleShep dance, so I don't remember what makes it look different for Garrus, but he just seems less awkward.

[lovgreno]

TheodoricFriede wrote...

The big question is, can Garrus out dance the dancing turian? Or Legion?

Now those two are no doubt very hard opponents when it comes to dancing. But if any turian could challenge them I think it could be Garrus.

[Nilfalasiel]

Random detail I noticed while catching up, but turians don't necessarily have to eat rocks for breakfast. Some gizzards have chitin (same consistency as fingernails) "teeth" inside them to grind food up.

Concerning learning about Garrus' family, I think it would be nice if he managed to confide in a FemShep who romances him. I can see him finding it more difficult with just a friendly FemShep or a MaleShep, but come on...if he doesn't open up to a FemShep who's romancing him, who can he open up to? Besides, I'm sure it can do him good. He's hoarded up so much crap over ME1 and 2 that he genuinely deserves some TLC. We got to give Tali a hug; Garrus deserves the same!

Also, that picture with Shepard sitting on his console is great! Also, I support dancing Garrus.

As for attraction, I'm of the opinion that Shep pulling Garrus' ass out of the fire in ME2 shifted his interest for her. Of course, at that point, he's got much bigger fish to fry and doesn't give it any more thought until Sidonis is dealt with, but if you're romancing him, I think it's a plausible trigger. It's also why he seems so ready to accept the idea of blowing off steam after the initial (5 second) surprise. If sex is the first thing he agrees to, then there must be attractiveness on some level (because, no matter how much you respect someone, if they gross you out physically, chances are sex is either not going to work or be very awkward). He wouldn't have considered it with another human, because, yes, it would be less natural and obvious than being attracted to a turian, but with Shep, it's more than just physical, and that's why he's much more ready to accept the physical, as odd as it may initially feel to him. And yes, as someone else pointed out, if there was no physical attraction, Garrus could very well have declined. Screwing up his friendship with Shep probably scares him more than anything else, and she did give him a perfectly acceptable out: if he was squicked out by the thought of physical intimacy and was only playing along because he thought it would make Shep happy, that would've been a perfect point to back out.

In short, the non-physical part of the relationship is vital to the Garrus/Shep pairing. And it's also what makes it meaningful, despite the lack of dialogue and the shortness of the scenes. I guess that comes naturally when you perceive Garrus and Shep as best friends and always keep that in mind as subtext, but I agree that, if you cut out that premise, the romance may seem shallow. Out of curiosity, could that be the difference? To those that have concerns about the romance being shallow (oenis and mrsph, but also any others), did you consider Garrus as Shep's best friend prior to the romance?

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 27 septembre 2010 - 09:39 .

[TheodoricFriede]

I support squad mate dancing in ME3. I don't care whose with you at the time; Garrus, Tali, Grunt, Jack, if Shepard starts dancing they should dance too.

@Nilfalasiel
Really? I always assumed that birds would ingest rocks in order to aid in the digestion process.
Well, that joke was a massive failure wasnt it?
Edit 2: Oh, just re-read that, never mind.

Modifié par TheodoricFriede, 27 septembre 2010 - 09:27 .

[Kim Shepard]

I agree about the romance - if Garrus wasn't attracted to Shepard at all, he would have backed out during that conversation, and he wouldn't have sounded like he was all for it when Shepard brought it up. He went straight from surprised that she's even interested to "yeah, definitely" within a few seconds. Garrus really seemed to jump at the chance, in my opinion. He wouldn't have thought about it before because she's his friend, commander, and a different species (with possible complications), but I think that, on some level, he became interested over time, or he wouldn't have reacted the way he did.

The game does a good job of making Garrus and Shepard seem like friends, and Garrus even says so in the romance. Of course I never thought the romance was shallow, but a complaint I've seen a few times is how Shepard starts it with her "sparring" and "skip right to the tiebreaker" lines, that it's too blunt or out-of-character for some FemSheps.

TheodoricFriede wrote...

I support squad mate dancing in ME3. I don't care whose with you at the time; Garrus, Tali, Grunt, Jack, if Shepard starts dancing they should dance too.

That's a good idea. Squadmates should dance with Shepard even if they're not in a romance. Legion should be able to do the robot in the clubs, not just in the ship after waiting a really long time for it. xD Grunt's dance would be awesome... and destructive.

[Nilfalasiel]

Kim Shepard wrote...

The game does a good job of making Garrus and Shepard seem like friends, and Garrus even says so in the romance. Of course I never thought the romance was shallow, but a complaint I've seen a few times is how Shepard starts it with her "sparring" and "skip right to the tiebreaker" lines, that it's too blunt or out-of-character for some FemSheps.

Well, Shep does hit it like a ton o' bricks. But she does that with Jacob too. Heck, she even does it with Thane, since she's the first one who mentions "friends? that's a start". Yes, it's a lot less blunt than "we could test your reach, and my flexibility" or even "I'm more interested in just talking for a bit", but she still springs that on him a bit out of the blue.

As an aside, I find it funny that even the regular "talk to" line for Jacob is flirty.

That's a good idea. Squadmates should dance with Shepard even if they're not in a romance. Legion should be able to do the robot in the clubs, not just in the ship after waiting a really long time for it. xD Grunt's dance would be awesome... and destructive.

*imagines Grunt headbanging to some heavy metal*
This needs to happen. NEEDS, I say!
Grunt in a moshpit would end in tragedy.
And Legion dancing to Daft Punk would break records of awesomeness.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 27 septembre 2010 - 10:20 .

[lovgreno]

Nilfalasiel wrote...
And Legion dancing to Daft Punk would break records of awesomeness.

Yes. Oh yes indeed.

[Kim Shepard]

Even though the romance trigger lines can be pretty blunt, at least three of the romances (Garrus, Tali, Thane) would be pretty hard to set off accidentally. I think it's a step in the right direction. I'd rather have my FemShep be really obvious about it and shock Garrus a little than have her end up in a romance unintentionally. I was worried about that with Jacob so much that I stopped talking to the poor guy. It was hard to say anything to him that didn't sound flirty. But it would be nice if Shepards totally obvious "romance start" conversations are BioWare's way of avoiding the romance traps of ME1. As a bonus, we don't have to turn Garrus down at a certain point in the game, which would probably be hard for all of us here. If Shepard doesn't say anything, romance never comes up in conversation.

I imagine Grunt punching his fists in the air, picking up chairs (or people... or Shepard) and waving them around. xD If Garrus dances, the ME1 video looks good for him unless there's some kind of cool turian dance he knows. Garrus just seems like the type to try dancing like a human for Shepard, a little awkwardly but not bad.

[Nilfalasiel]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Even though the romance trigger lines can be pretty blunt, at least three of the romances (Garrus, Tali, Thane) would be pretty hard to set off accidentally. I think it's a step in the right direction. I'd rather have my FemShep be really obvious about it and shock Garrus a little than have her end up in a romance unintentionally. I was worried about that with Jacob so much that I stopped talking to the poor guy. It was hard to say anything to him that didn't sound flirty. But it would be nice if Shepards totally obvious "romance start" conversations are BioWare's way of avoiding the romance traps of ME1. As a bonus, we don't have to turn Garrus down at a certain point in the game, which would probably be hard for all of us here. If Shepard doesn't say anything, romance never comes up in conversation.

Y'know, a lot of people say it would be immersion-breaking, but I'm all for having visual cues to differentiate romance-starter lines. A different colour would probably be ideal, kinda like the Charm/Intimidate options. Those were never immersion-breaking to me, I don't think I'd mind having different coloured romance starting lines. They don't have to be neon pink, or have a giant blinking glittery heart icon next to them (*has an Alicorn flashback*). And it would solve the ninjamance issues without having to make Shep the romantic equivalent of a battering ram.

I imagine Grunt punching his fists in the air, picking up chairs (or people... or Shepard) and waving them around. xD

 
 Brilliant. I can totally see Grunt picking someone up. Totally random examples, but Kelly would squeal like a schoolgirl, and Mordin would be going "Problematic!!!"

If Garrus dances, the ME1 video looks good for him unless there's some kind of cool turian dance he knows. Garrus just seems like the type to try dancing like a human for Shepard, a little awkwardly but not bad.

Techno-turian dance or bust!

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 27 septembre 2010 - 11:06 .

[nekhbet]

Nilfalasiel wrote...
Concerning learning about Garrus' family, I think it would be nice if he managed to confide in a FemShep who romances him. I can see him finding it more difficult with just a friendly FemShep or a MaleShep, but come on...if he doesn't open up to a FemShep who's romancing him, who can he open up to? Besides, I'm sure it can do him good. He's hoarded up so much crap over ME1 and 2 that he genuinely deserves some TLC. We got to give Tali a hug; Garrus deserves the same!

There's a good chance that he can't/won't open to anyone about it. He didn't even tell his family about the other problems.

Modifié par nekhbet, 27 septembre 2010 - 11:23 .

[Kim Shepard]

I read that DA2 would have romance dialogues marked (possibly with a heart icon, if I remember correctly). It would be great to have something like that for Mass Effect.

Mordin calling Grunt's dance moves "problematic" would be hilarious. xD And maybe Garrus was studying the techno turian when Shepard and Thane were trying to catch Kolyat. (I mean, that third squadmate had to be doing something, right?)

Random news: I just found out that the PS3 version of ME2 will have DLC on the disc! MainShep will finally get to see Zaeed and the Saren statue. I wonder if the Shadow Broker stuff will be included too.

[lovgreno]

Nilfalasiel wrote..
 Brilliant. I can totally see Grunt picking someone up. Totally random examples, but Kelly would squeal like a schoolgirl, and Mordin would be going "Problematic!!!"

I bet it would end with Mordin learning Grunt to do the moonwalk. With his great people skills and encyclopediatic knowledge of alien culture such things should be easy for the good doctor. I would pay to see this in a DLC.

[Nilfalasiel]

nekhbet wrote...

There's a good chance that he can't/won't open to anyone about it. He didn't even tell his family about the other problems.

There's a difference between a sister and a romantic partner though: you won't necessarily tell the same things to the one and the other. I can see why he wouldn't want to tell his sister about how he quit C-Sec, failed as a vigilante and got his face blown up. She already has enough to worry about with their mother. However, Shep already knows about the entire Omega fiasco, and he says there's no one he respects more than her. She knows how badly he has "failed" and she accepts that. It's not like knowing he has a sick mother will suddenly scare her away, or make her think less of him. I'm not saying Garrus is going to cry in her lap about it or confide easily, but if there's anyone he can trust with this kind of information at this point, it's her. I can see him being more reluctant with a MaleShep or an unromanced FemShep, but not with a romanced one.

And what's the point of revealing this stuff if nothing can be done about it? I like Garrus' baggage, it gives him depth, but the whole point of baggage is to deal with it, otherwise it just festers and becomes a burden, and characters turn emo. I'd say they were passing up some great character development opportunities if they never bring this topic up again.

Kim Shepard wrote...

I read that DA2 would have romance dialogues marked (possibly with a heart icon, if I remember correctly). It would be great to have something like that for Mass Effect.

Lol, oh well, I can deal with the heart icon. I still think colour coding would've been more discreet.

And maybe Garrus was studying the techno turian when Shepard and Thane were trying to catch Kolyat. (I mean, that third squadmate had to be doing something, right?)

 I can see him inconspicuously standing in that bar and watching the techno-turian out of the corner of his eye.

Garrus: "So that's how it's done..."
Shepard, on the radio: Garrus, look neutral, Talid is coming your way.
Garrus: Mm-hmm.
Shepard: Hey, what are you doing in that bar anyway?
Garrus: Oh, uh, nothing. Just some, ah...research.
Shepard: Riiiight...

Random news: I just found out that the PS3 version of ME2 will have DLC on the disc! MainShep will finally get to see Zaeed and the Saren statue. I wonder if the Shadow Broker stuff will be included too.

Nice! I'd imagine they'd want to include LotSB too. After all, it's part of Liara's story arc. Depends on when the PS3 version is coming out though, I guess.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 27 septembre 2010 - 11:57 .

[Eradyn]

Re: Garrus, his family, and Palaven

I agree it probably wouldn't be an out-of-the blue "let's meet the parents" type of event. But I think about this being the last game of the trilogy with them,about to face down the reapers, and I think to myself: If I was about to face something that would likely lead to my death, and the death of all organic life, wouldn't I want to get things in order?

Now, it's been done in a way with ME2, so I don't think it should be a major mission...but I can see there being a small scene with squadmates doing something personal/setting their affairs in order and Shepard being there with them. Perhaps it's a side-thing that's done while performing a mission of sorts. For example, going to Palaven to convince the Primarch to help against the coming reaper fleet, or whatever, and Garrus asks Shep if he can tie up one last loose end before they break down the gates of hell and go after the reapers...and those loose ends happen to be reconciling with his family.

Modifié par Eradyn, 27 septembre 2010 - 12:21 .

[TheodoricFriede]

Id love to see the scene of Garrus seeing his sister in person for the first time in a while, with all the crap hes been through, his dieing mother, his scars, his human girlfriend, it will be a very emotional experience.

And we'd get to see a female turian!

[Nilfalasiel]

TheodoricFriede wrote...

Id love to see the scene of Garrus seeing his sister in person for the first time in a while, with all the crap hes been through, his dieing mother, his scars, his human girlfriend, it will be a very emotional experience.
And we'd get to see a female turian!

Amen to that!

Although I'm now having a "what if" moment wondering how Garrus would react if his sister eventually started hitting on a MaleShep. Or vice-versa.

[nekhbet]

TheodoricFriede wrote...

Id love to see the scene of Garrus seeing his sister in person for the first time in a while, with all the crap hes been through, his dieing mother, his scars, his human girlfriend, it will be a very emotional experience.
And we'd get to see a female turian!

It'd also be quite painful for Garrus... to be confronted about every problem in your life at the same time, after you've been carefully pushing it all out of the view for years.

He's not one to crack easily, but that might just be too much.

[TheodoricFriede]

I tell you what, Garrus' sister would be the one character that would have a chance at the love of one of my canon male Shepard's instead of Tali.

It would have to be an alternate universe where Tali wasn't romanced though, i couldn't dump Tali..shes too lovable.

........Oh right, this is the Garrus thread, sorry.

[lovgreno]

Theodiric the sollution is simple: One maleshep for each alien girl. It's so unfair that Maleshep can't have a turian. But if Garrus sister is like her brother in some ways... Yeah that's what I would like to see.

But it is hard to get interested in the other romance options when you got Garrus and Tali on board.

[Nilfalasiel]

lovgreno wrote...

But it is hard to get interested in the other romance options when you got Garrus and Tali on board.

This, very much so. It was hard enough to have to avoid Garrus with my KaidanShep and my ThaneShep, but I can't imagine how to avoid Tali with a MaleShep. At least, Garrus doesn't show any interest if you don't poke him, but Tali's got Kelly and Kasumi telling Shep how she loves him. I'm not sure how to resist that.

[Xsause]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

But it is hard to get interested in the other romance options when you got Garrus and Tali on board.

This, very much so. It was hard enough to have to avoid Garrus with my KaidanShep and my ThaneShep, but I can't imagine how to avoid Tali with a MaleShep. At least, Garrus doesn't show any interest if you don't poke him, but Tali's got Kelly and Kasumi telling Shep how she loves him. I'm not sure how to resist that.

Not all love has to be requited. That's what I tell myself during non-Tali playthroughs, anyway. Roleplaying helped a bit. One of my Shepards doesn't want to be someone's knight in shining armor, another's just a jerkass, etc.

[General Ashous]

Most of my damned love is requited, taken a damned rejection today! I don't think Garrus has to worry about that though, he's got some good looks going for him. That and he can "Slap some face paint on there and no one will even notice.". Lol. I like being the knight in shining armour, seems more fitting that a hero will rise to fight a villain than a villain. However, I love playing the villain as well, so much fun.

[AngryP1xel]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

TheodoricFriede wrote...

Id love to see the scene of Garrus seeing his sister in person for the first time in a while, with all the crap hes been through, his dieing mother, his scars, his human girlfriend, it will be a very emotional experience.
And we'd get to see a female turian!

Amen to that!

Although I'm now having a "what if" moment wondering how Garrus would react if his sister eventually started hitting on a MaleShep. Or vice-versa.

I don't think Solana would start hitting on a MaleShep.  I have a feeling his family is a very conservative group of turians and that dating humans would not happen.  Garrus is probably the black sheep of the Vakarian family.

[ciaweth]

Solana's got other worries, like apparently being the primary caretaker for her dying mother.