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[Kim Shepard]

So the game will think my Shepard talked to Harkin even if he really didn't? D: That's strange. But if that does happen, then I guess he won't get the "kidney thumping" comment from Garrus after all.

I don't expect that anything will turn out differently in ME2, and I would be surprised if it made a difference in ME3. Still, if you're roleplaying Shepard and he finds out that he gave information about the guy who resurrected him to the guy who tried to give his body to the Collectors... he won't be too proud of that decision. xD But he'll do it anyway. Shepard doesn't know what's going to happen in ME2.

[Aricle]

Kim Shepard wrote...

So the game will think my Shepard talked to Harkin even if he really didn't? D: That's strange. But if that does happen, then I guess he won't get the "kidney thumping" comment from Garrus after all.

I don't expect that anything will turn out differently in ME2, and I would be surprised if it made a difference in ME3. Still, if you're roleplaying Shepard and he finds out that he gave information about the guy who resurrected him to the guy who tried to give his body to the Collectors... he won't be too proud of that decision. xD But he'll do it anyway. Shepard doesn't know what's going to happen in ME2.

You know how objectives get checked off in your journal if you've accomplished whatever you were supposed to by doing that thing, even if you took another route? It's one of those... it bugs me to have things checked off I technically didn't do, but I guess I'm micromanaging.

Ha, you summed that up well- Shep doesn't know what happens in ME2, even if I do.

RPing with a new Shepard and it's actually hard. I'm annoyed that I have little Ren or Par power since the Shep goes by the book b/c of Spacer background and a lot of that is middle-of-the-road. She won't go by the book after Kahoku dies, though...

[Pacifien]

Aricle wrote...
Yes, those are the choices. Barla Von or Harkin; the Harkin objective is checked off if talk to B.V. even if haven't talked to Harkin.

I have never given the Shadow Broker the intel and I wonder if anything different comes of that in ME2. Is it worth doing 'for science'?

Oh, I've done that science for you already. No change. I was hoping it would work to my benefit to get into the Shadow Broker's good graces so I could call in a favor at a later time, but then I learned the Shadow Broker tried to give my body to the Collectors. Now, I understand I was dead at the time so the Shadow Broker felt I was never going to collect on my future favor, but dammit, no more intel for you, you bastard whoever you are.

The reason I've almost always gone to see Barla Von first is because it's Udina who says to go meet Harkin and Anderson who says I should meet with Barla Von. I know whose advice I'd rather take. Plus I like Barla Von.

[Kim Shepard]

Well, that's unfortunate. So Shepard has to find Garrus right after Wrex, or find him without any clues at all? I think I've only had one conversation with Barla Von, and it was because Shepard walked into his office while wandering around the Citadel. I don't even know what he says about Garrus or where to find him.

Yeah, the poor Shepards. xD So unaware that they'll die at the beginning of the sequel.

My current MaleShep takes a lot of the Neutral options. Once he got around to the main missions though, he started getting Paragon/Renegade points faster because of the end choices. I have to replay about 3/4ths of the game with him, doing missions in a different order, so his scores won't be exactly the same, but he used to have 60% Paragon and 40% Renegade before Ilos. I think it'll be close to 50/50 by the time he gets around to ME2. I'm just hoping the new persuade system doesn't mess him up too much.

[Andaius20]

hello girls and boys! how's it going? missed the last week due to jumping back into Dragon Age. Anything new and exciting?

[Aricle]

Pacifien wrote...

Aricle wrote...
Yes, those are the choices. Barla Von or Harkin; the Harkin objective is checked off if talk to B.V. even if haven't talked to Harkin.

I have never given the Shadow Broker the intel and I wonder if anything different comes of that in ME2. Is it worth doing 'for science'?

Oh, I've done that science for you already. No change. I was hoping it would work to my benefit to get into the Shadow Broker's good graces so I could call in a favor at a later time, but then I learned the Shadow Broker tried to give my body to the Collectors. Now, I understand I was dead at the time so the Shadow Broker felt I was never going to collect on my future favor, but dammit, no more intel for you, you bastard whoever you are.
... Plus I like Barla Von.

Huh. Makes sense that he would back out just because I Died. D'you think that this will connect to whatever develops in ME3 w/ Liara's Vengeance Quest? Or is it too minor in the scale of things? *Considering how much I wish BW would do more of this and that, the connectivity of things is impressive so I expect more of everything.*

Barla Von is great and he tells me a lot of info without Codex-reading. I was hoping to see him again in ME2. If anyone survived and can rebuild, it would be him.

Kim Shepard wrote...

Well, that's unfortunate.

My current MaleShep takes a lot of the Neutral
options. I have to replay about 3/4ths of the game with him, doing
missions in a different order, so his scores won't be exactly the same,

Isn't 'that's unfortunate' a Garrus remark somewhere?

Why are you replaying 75% of the game with that Shepard? And, do you keep track of the paths/choices each Shep takes?

Modifié par Aricle, 03 juillet 2010 - 03:44 .

[Aricle]

Andaius20 wrote...

hello girls and boys! how's it going? missed the last week due to jumping back into Dragon Age. Anything new and exciting?

Hi, Andaius! Happy Friday!

[Kim Shepard]

I'm playing Dragon Age again too. With a mage who's kind of evil.

We were just talking about all the different ways to recruit Garrus in ME1. What is there, four different ways? (Harkin, Barla Von, find Garrus on your own, find Wrex first and then Garrus.)

[Collider]

I wonder what the consequences of not doing Garrus' loyalty mission will have. I of course did it, but do you think it will change anything in ME3?

[Chimervera]

Andaius20 wrote...

hello girls and boys! how's it going? missed the last week due to jumping back into Dragon Age. Anything new and exciting?

The final round of the thread title poll is open for voting! It's been left open longer than the other ones, sonce it hasn't yet gotten the same numbers. (It's still ~20 votes less then the previous, but I don't think I'll leave it open too much longer)

[Aricle]

Collider wrote...

I wonder what the consequences of not doing Garrus' loyalty mission will have. I of course did it, but do you think it will change anything in ME3?

Good Q. Assuming he survives final mission,  I would think it would be much like Garrus pre-Saleon: full of conflict and stymied/frustrated by the 'system' , its expectations and wanting to rebel. I think he'd be much less likely to want to take your advice, and less neutral than he seems in videos I've seen of him meeting Shep on Omega after not having been in ME1 team.

*Although, if recruited and made loyal after having not been part of ME1 team, what is he like? What does the game default to as his personality when circumstances arise where ME1 is referenced (Harkin)?

[silentstephi]

Aricle wrote...

RPing with a new Shepard and it's actually hard. I'm annoyed that I have little Ren or Par power since the Shep goes by the book b/c of Spacer background and a lot of that is middle-of-the-road. She won't go by the book after Kahoku dies, though...

Do you mean it's difficult because of in game scores?
Cause I know I have a hard time replaying ME with a brand new Shepard without having a few funny side stories or her BG fleshed out first -.-

The Plain Jane run through I did I don't even... remember much of.  I remember it was a Paragon run through... and that she romanced Thane?  Maybe?  Bah, I forget.  

But Elle and Steph?  Oh yea, I've got their PTs on repeat...

Er... right.
Garrus!
Oh hey, I'll post it here; so I came across some AMAZING stories by a FF.net'r named Moranth.
It's a MShep story... Garrus is the ultimate bro.  But man... it's awesome.  The Shepard is an addict.  I. am. in. Love.
Fffffffffff read it gaiz.  If you're bored.  And like good bromance.
Just a Man
The follow up story is Feet of Clay

Also... 3.0 Archive updated.  I probably won't get to pages 600 to 700 until Sunday... maybe.  If I don't get blowed up by the fireworks. XD

[Timerider42]

Wow this is still speeding along. And I still haven't played any of the DLC yet.

[Aricle]

silentstephi wrote...

Aricle wrote...

RPing with a new Shepard and it's actually hard. I'm annoyed that I have little Ren or Par power since the Shep goes by the book b/c of Spacer background and a lot of that is middle-of-the-road. She won't go by the book after Kahoku dies, though...

Do you mean it's difficult because of in game scores?

For instance... I went on the Chairman Burns crazed biotic hostage quest- and he is shot because I have no Ren or Par strong enough to do or say anything (red and blue dialogue ops all grayed out)  to prevent it. /very sad panda. Have to do again later.

That's the kind of hard I mean. RPing and all but I won't let them kill Burns as it's not really in any RP character I could imagine playing.

I do have some backstory, I used that guide from the NSAS you posted, stephi.

Modifié par Aricle, 03 juillet 2010 - 04:01 .

[Lady Dino]

Pacifien wrote...

Hey, Garrus fans. My Massive Science Experiment has reached a point where I've come to some conclusions about Garrus's role during the Suicide Run. Soooo, here's all things Garrus.

If there's no shield upgrade, the order in which squadmates will die (unless you take them to fight the Oculus):
Kasumi -> Tali -> Legion -> Thane -> Garrus

If the weapons aren't upgraded, the order in which squadmates will die:
Thane -> Garrus

If you pick the right tech specialist (loyals Kasumi, Legion, or Tali) and Garrus is loyal -> Tech lives!
Even if you pick the right tech specialist, if Garrus is unloyal -> Tech dies!

If your biotic specialist is not the right one for the job, the squadmate taken by the Seeker Swarms:
Thane -> Jack -> Garrus

If Garrus is not loyal as the distraction team leader -> Garrus dies

If the people you have left Holding the Line are not strong enough for everyone to come out alive:
Mordin -> Tali -> Kasumi -> Jack -> Miranda -> Jacob -> Garrus -> Samara -> Legion -> Thane -> Zaeed -> Grunt

Your three strongest defenders for Holding the Line:
Garrus, Grunt, Zaeed

If you want to hear Garrus speak his mind about what to do with the Collector Base, bring him along with a squadmate who disagrees with keeping the base, then tell the Illusive Man the base is an abomination.

If you want to catch Garrus falling down the platforms -> During the final battle, make sure Garrus's icon is on the RIGHT. If you need to reload during the battle, make sure the icon is still on the RIGHT.

If you want Garrus to catch you while you leap toward the Normandy, the order in which squadmates catch you:
(every other squadmate) -> Garrus -> Jack -> Thane

More information found on The Ultimate Guide for the Omega-4 Mass Relay Mission.

I saw this while catching up, and just wanted to ask that it be added to the OP, if possible. Useful info for all Garrus fans, IMO. Thanks for providing it Pacifien!

[Kim Shepard]

I would like to think that Garrus, and the other squadmates too, would remember if you don't do their loyalty missions (or fail them whenever that is possible). Sidonis would still be out there, so Garrus shouldn't just forget about him.

@ Aricle: "That's unfortunate" sounds like a Garrus quote... I don't remember though. xD

I have to replay it because MaleShep got trapped in Liara's romance. (Apparently, "I'm not interested in you" just wasn't blunt enough.) I'm going to recruit Liara last now so it won't even be possible for the romance to start, but that means replaying Noveria, Virmire, Therum, and many side quests. Luckily, I still have a save after Feros and before Therum. I'll get to fix a few things that weren't quite right in my playthrough, but it's still annoying. I won't get around to that Liara romance MaleShep for quite some time now.

I keep track of the main decisions. A few things that are less important, especially with my earliest playthroughs, were forgotten. My Shepards all get their own history and personality planned out too.

Also, it's easier to get the Charm/Intimidate options in ME1 - just add points to it during level ups. I don't remember it being connected to Paragon/Renegade, but if it is, you could leave those side quests until later when you have higher scores.

[Andaius20]

Kim Shepard wrote...

I'm playing Dragon Age again too. With a mage who's kind of evil.

We were just talking about all the different ways to recruit Garrus in ME1. What is there, four different ways? (Harkin, Barla Von, find Garrus on your own, find Wrex first and then Garrus.)

Really? I jus tthought you picked him up after talking to him before talkign to the council. 

[Pacifien]

Aricle wrote...
Huh. Makes sense that he would back out just because I Died. D'you think that this will connect to whatever develops in ME3 w/ Liara's Vengeance Quest? Or is it too minor in the scale of things? *Considering how much I wish BW would do more of this and that, the connectivity of things is impressive so I expect more of everything.**snip*

There's been speculation the Shadow Broker will show up in a DLC because of some cut dialogue from Liara that you can find in the dialogue files of ME2. Though because the dialogue is specifically labeled as cut, I wonder if the developers intended for there to be a Shadow Broker quest within the main ME2 game and decided against it.

I really like the mystery of the Shadow Broker and didn't like what I was hearing from the cut Liara dialogue. I can only hope the developers scrapped their initial ideas completely.

My mind is running wild with speculation of just how awesome could go with the Shadow Broker, though. ME2 Expansion. The Shadow Broker has important intel on the Reapers. (Honestly, if the Illusive Man does, you know the Shadow Broker does. Probably stole as much of Sovereign's debris as Cerberus.) Shepard must find the Shadow Broker and infiltrate the base in a massive coordination of squad members. Thane must go through the vents. Tali takes control of the security systems. Kasumi hacks into the Shadow Broker's files. Garrus is on the rooftop of a building in the distance, giving you intel over the radio as to security guard positions and sniping the occasional one getting too close. Zaeed provides the distraction by creating an explosion on the far side of the base. Miranda has used her Cerberus contacts maybe to even find information you need to even find the Shadow Broker. Two teams must then infiltrate the compound from two different sides. When you get to the Shadow Broker, Samara holds him in place with a biotic field while you curse him out for trying to sell you to the Collectors.

Actually, that totally wouldn't work as a game, but maybe a fanfic that tries to demonstrate how a Dirty Dozen is supposed to coordinate with each other on a mission.

Man, I really like the idea of Garrus providing you with intel on where to go and what to avoid while he provides sniper support from a distant rooftop, though.

[Chimervera]

Lady Dino wrote...
I saw this while catching up, and just wanted to ask that it be added to the OP, if possible. Useful info for all Garrus fans, IMO. Thanks for providing it Pacifien!

On it!

[Pacifien]

Chimervera wrote...

Lady Dino wrote...
I saw this while catching up, and just wanted to ask that it be added to the OP, if possible. Useful info for all Garrus fans, IMO. Thanks for providing it Pacifien!

On it!

Oh. Are you linking to that post? I should probably correct some parts of it then...

[Pacifien]

Chimervera wrote...
The final round of the thread title poll is open for voting! It's been left open longer than the other ones, sonce it hasn't yet gotten the same numbers. (It's still ~20 votes less then the previous, but I don't think I'll leave it open too much longer)

I demand this thread title proclaim the value of Reach and Flexibility! Even if it loses to Calibrations! Reach and Flexibility forever!

[Pacifien]

Okay, I updated my little Garrus Suicide Mission Guide to make it a little clearer (I hope) and more fabulous.

[Kim Shepard]

I hope the Liara/Shadow Broker stuff comes out in the form of an expansion (if they don't just put it in ME3). If it comes out as DLC, then I hope it's not something that's required for ME3 because... well, anyone who doesn't download anything/have Xbox Live (or whatever the PC equivalent is?) won't get to play it. I don't mind missing out on Zaeed or Kasumi that much, even though they probably would have been my favorite human squadmates. Actually, if the Liara/Shadow Broker DLC didn't have some important default choice that would be totally out of character for my Shepards, I wouldn't mind missing out on that either.

But on the off-chance Cerberus decides to resurrect Saren through DLC... I would get that DLC somehow. xD

Andaius20 wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

I'm playing Dragon Age again too. With a mage who's kind of evil.

We were just talking about all the different ways to recruit Garrus in ME1. What is there, four different ways? (Harkin, Barla Von, find Garrus on your own, find Wrex first and then Garrus.)

Really? I jus tthought you picked him up after talking to him before talkign to the council. 

Actually, you don't get to recruit him then. After the trial, when they need to find evidence on Saren, that's when Shepard has to go find Garrus and meets up with him in Dr. Michel's office.

Garrus couldn't just wait for Shepard until the trial was over. xD It's never that easy.

[Aricle]

Pacifien wrote...
I really like the mystery of the Shadow Broker and didn't like what I was hearing from the cut Liara dialogue. I can only hope the developers scrapped their initial ideas completely.

Actually, that totally wouldn't work as a game, but maybe a fanfic that tries to demonstrate how a Dirty Dozen is supposed to coordinate with each other on a mission.

Man, I really like the idea of Garrus providing you with intel on where to go and what to avoid while he provides sniper support from a distant rooftop, though.

I haven't heard the cut files; don't really want to.

I really like your scenario esp. the Garrus rooftop aspect. This would be a great fanfic. A LARP might be fun here. RL reunion anyone? (That's the Myst fan in me; went to one of the Mysteriums and it was fun.)

Modifié par Aricle, 03 juillet 2010 - 05:11 .

[Alexine]

I've heard the cut files. Honestly, I don't think it's for a Liara DLC. I mean, there was Tali, Legion, Thane, Samara dialogue at the beginning that was never used during pre-Horizon. Not to mention, the cut files do mention the hacking quest you had to do for Liara anyway on Illium.



My theory: Nxyeris (that asari who was her assistant) or somebody else was originally supposed to have been the SB, but they probably changed it when they announced Redemption comics.