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[Hazzel42]

Raga you owe me a new keyboard!

The image of fountains of Tupari spurting out of Garrus's mouth as he chokes in surprise is killing me!

[LessThanKate]

Kim Shepard wrote...

LessThanKate wrote...

Yeah, if it were all screeching and crunching, that conversation with Mordin would've been a lot shorter.

"Shepard, a word. Aware of stress. Hormones. Nevertheless. Relationship with turian. Don't."
"But--"
"Don't."

Considering the way that comic made it sound... that would be good advice. xD Poor Shepard. But I imagine TIM would be annoyed if he had to pay for Shepard to be rebuilt again for that reason.

As for character deaths...I can't even bear to kill the few characters I don't like. Thought about...some, but...feels like less effort to do everything right. Can't watch them either. Getting taken away by Collector swarms is particularly disturbing. Something I heard, but would rather not see.

I don't mind killing off the characters I don't like. The Virmire choice was really easy for me. (Unfortunately, my least favorite squadmate besides Morinth is the only one who can't be killed off.) I won't let the characters I like get killed off if it can be avoided though. Too many of my favorites get killed off no matter what.

Some...fan interpretations, like that one, make it seem really awful and painful. Just a bad idea. Maybe there's something I'm not getting, but even seeing Mordin's...advice for the first time, my response wasn't "Holy crap that's wierd!" it was, "Hey, Garrus is romanceable now. Neat!" I really don't see how bad it could possibly be.

Frankly, I'd still rather chafe it up than get with Thane...he looks like he'd be squishy...and I'm all about texture

I'm afraid to ask who you wouldn't mind killing, as Virmire was very hard for me...who can't get killed no matter what? I heard Miranda can still lead a fire team even when not loyal, but I didn't think anyone was impervious to death.

[aznsoisauce]

 Two things:

• Turians probably can't eat noodles. Not the way we do, anyway. Slurping and all that.
• I still think that the vids Mordin sends are just of him talking about Human and Turian anatomies while he plays with a Barbie doll and the Turian equivalent of a G.I. Joe.

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[EffectedByTheMasses]

aznsoisauce wrote...

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I don't get it... 

[Kim Shepard]

I've thought about that before too, mainly because Saren's mouth seems to be even more open around his cybernetics. Another thing Saren made me think about... he says in Revelation after torturing the batarian, and getting a headache from the screams, that he'll bring earplugs next time. I don't see anywhere for them to use earplugs. xD

@LessThanKate: Yeah, I think the main risk is just an allergy, and Shepard seems pretty immune to everything else, so it's not that bad. Besides, Garrus is smart enough to know what would crush a human.

I've never liked Ashley. Kaidan's nice, but not one of my favorites. I like Wrex to much to shoot him or allow him to be shot. Liara is the one squadmate who can't be killed. (As far as I know, she can't be killed in LotSB either. I don't have it, but I think someone would have told me is she could be... right, guys?)

@aznsoisauce: I've always liked that human Barbie doll and turian GI Joe theory, from the old Garrus thread. xD

[Hazzel42]

EffectedByTheMasses wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...
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I don't get it... 

Umm think pr0n movies, being unable to pay for the pizza by conventional means...

[JulianP]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Squeee!  One of these days I'll have to try to draw one, too!

[EffectedByTheMasses]

Hazzel42 wrote...

EffectedByTheMasses wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...
And now for something related to both topics: Food and Research

I don't get it... 

Umm think pr0n movies, being unable to pay for the pizza by conventional means...

...:happy::D:D

I see. cheers.

[LessThanKate]

Kim Shepard wrote...

I've thought about that before too, mainly because Saren's mouth seems to be even more open around his cybernetics. Another thing Saren made me think about... he says in Revelation after torturing the batarian, and getting a headache from the screams, that he'll bring earplugs next time. I don't see anywhere for them to use earplugs. xD

@LessThanKate: Yeah, I think the main risk is just an allergy, and Shepard seems pretty immune to everything else, so it's not that bad. Besides, Garrus is smart enough to know what would crush a human.

I've never liked Ashley. Kaidan's nice, but not one of my favorites. I like Wrex to much to shoot him or allow him to be shot. Liara is the one squadmate who can't be killed. (As far as I know, she can't be killed in LotSB either. I don't have it, but I think someone would have told me is she could be... right, guys?)

@aznsoisauce: I've always liked that human Barbie doll and turian GI Joe theory, from the old Garrus thread. xD

Oh, Liara. For some reason I was thinking of characters not dying on the suicide mission. Yeah, I'm not terribly fond of her, either. Which is saying something because I like almost everyone. And since she can't die, it sort of feels like...she's a favorite. I still sort of laugh at that scene in LotSB where Shepard saved Liara and the other (Garrus, in my case, and I'm sure many of yours) gets knocked out cold. I mean, I know this is her story, but as soon as the fight starts, I was like, "Crap, I'm a Vanguard, she's an Adept, there's an mofo with a Venus flytrap for a face WITH SHIELDS and the only guy with any tech abilities is taking a nap." Obviously not the choice I would have made.  

And while I would argue against the whole...Virmire potential incident...it would be going way off topic and we all have a right to our opinions. I'm sorry you feel that way.

Yeah, I'm convinced Shepard would sprain something at worst with turian fun times...this is a woman who just sleeps off posion, after all.

Ah, the pizza bit...maybe Garrus would have better luck roleplaying as a poolboy? I always did like that comic, very charming.

Modifié par LessThanKate, 29 septembre 2010 - 05:05 .

[JulianP]

Hazzel42 wrote...
There are quite a few cultures of humans who find cheese repugnant

Yeah, like some East Asians, historically. I remember being told a story in which "she had to eat yogurt" was meant to illustrate the height of barbaric indignity.  These days it's pretty popular, though.

Still, there was this wonderful Iron Chef episode in which they made the Chinese food specialist confront a mystery ingredient... and it was yogurt!  The look of horror on his face was priceless: 

[Kim Shepard]

@LessThanKate: Saving Liara instead of the other squadmate is one of the things I heard about the DLC that I don't like. Also, I don't think there's anything to argue about Virmire - people have different characters that they like and dislike. I'm glad it wasn't a choice between two characters that I would hate to kill off, like Garrus and Wrex. A few hours of playtime later, I have to watch my favorite character (Saren) kill himself anyway, so anything more is just overkill. xD

But we can discuss the other squadmates more in Clan V. There's a thread for that. (And a thread for discussion about our Shepards and playthroughs, but I guess most of us, myself included, forget to post it there instead of here sometimes.)

[LessThanKate]

Kim Shepard wrote...

@LessThanKate: Saving Liara instead of the other squadmate is one of the things I heard about the DLC that I don't like. Also, I don't think there's anything to argue about Virmire - people have different characters that they like and dislike. I'm glad it wasn't a choice between two characters that I would hate to kill off, like Garrus and Wrex. A few hours of playtime later, I have to watch my favorite character (Saren) kill himself anyway, so anything more is just overkill. xD

But we can discuss the other squadmates more in Clan V. There's a thread for that. (And a thread for discussion about our Shepards and playthroughs, but I guess most of us, myself included, forget to post it there instead of here sometimes.)

It sounds like you didn't get that DLC. I did enjoy it, and I realize Liara is important, it's just a bit funny...in my last ME1 playthrough, I may have talked to her once. I wasn't sure how...sensitive the mechanics were; I was afraid of being a little nice and she'd just assume we were lovers. No thanks. But yeah, considering that, it's funny that LotSB makes it seem like we're best buddies.

Ah, Saren...he did have a certain charm to him. I always thought he looked like a metal, anthropomorphic dragon! Can't say I approve of him killing himself, but I couldn't help feeling bad for him as he sturggled to fight the indoctrination at the end. Plus, he gets my award for coolest villain name in ever.

[Kim Shepard]

LessThanKate wrote...

It sounds like you didn't get that DLC. I did enjoy it, and I realize Liara is important, it's just a bit funny...in my last ME1 playthrough, I may have talked to her once. I wasn't sure how...sensitive the mechanics were; I was afraid of being a little nice and she'd just assume we were lovers. No thanks. But yeah, considering that, it's funny that LotSB makes it seem like we're best buddies.

I don't have any DLC. xD Currently waiting for a version of ME2 that has the DLC on the disc to be released.

What you said is the main thing that I don't like about LotSB. The thing is, Shepard doesn't have to be nice to Liara at all during ME1 or the rest of ME2. She can be recruited last and Shepard can be pretty mean during that recruitment, not allowed to go see Benezia, told that Shepard doesn't trust her, told that she made the wrong choice giving Shepard's body to Cerberus, and have her personal quest refused. For a Shepard who does all of those things to suddenly act like they're friends is very out-of-character. Maybe it's not as bad as I've read, but most of the talk about it seems to be the same.

The mechanics are very sensitive, by the way. I chose the "I'm not interested in you" option and still ended up in the romance, and my MaleShep wasn't very nice to her at all. So good call on avoiding it.

Ah, Saren...he did have a certain charm to him. I always thought he looked like a metal, anthropomorphic dragon! Can't say I approve of him killing himself, but I couldn't help feeling bad for him as he sturggled to fight the indoctrination at the end. Plus, he gets my award for coolest villain name in ever.

The fact that he kills himself means that I don't have to kill my favorite character with every playthrough. It was also one of the things that made me start to like him, in combination with his talk on Virmire. It's sad that he was too far gone for Shepard's persuade to help him fight the indoctrination and live. (Unfortunately, Sovereign's shields only dropped when Shepard destroyed his re-animated body. No idea how they could have killed a Reaper otherwise.)

Saren Arterius is a cool name.

[lovgreno]

aznsoisauce wrote...And now for something related to both topics: Food and Research (Awesome comic snipped)

Oh Garrus, you must stop asking that perv Joker for tips about how human females work. His extensive and varied collection of prohnz has nothing to do with reality.

[nekhbet]

aznsoisauce wrote...
And now for something related to both topics: Food and Research

Great, now I have Red Bull all over my keyboard... liquid sugar leaves a sticky residue, you know!

Re: Saren's suicide. Is it actually possible to kill him the first time around? I've always gone for the suicide, whether or not I was intentionally trying. Would be interesting to try another approach...

Modifié par nekhbet, 29 septembre 2010 - 09:30 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Assorted catching up:

Re: turians and eggs. There was a CDN news snip about some woman adopting turian twins. Since it's apparently extremely rare for oviparous species to have viable twins, it's very likely that turians have live births.

Re: anaphylactic shock. First of all, allergic reactions are not guaranteed to happen when you come into contact with an allergen. It's not because some people are allergic to peanuts that everyone who eats peanut butter for the first time is going to have an allergic reaction. So there's no guarantee anything bad will happen to either Shep or Garrus. Secondly, I wouldn't put it past Mordin to be exaggerating or semi-kidding. His response to the "are you yanking me around?" question is highly ambiguous. And thirdly, Shep is practically a cyborg, with all the implants and upgrades she's been given (heck, David in Overlord can even HACK her), so I really don't think there's much to fear, even if she does get an allergic reaction.

Re: Garrus' sister. Nah, I don't think she'd seriously hit on MaleShep if she was ever introduced, because she's got her hands full. I just thought it would be funny to imagine how Garrus would react if it were to happen. That being said, I'm not sure Garrus' family is completely anti-human. I mean, his father was a C-Sec officer, he must've rubbed shoulders with quite a few humans back in his time. That doesn't mean his sister would want a relationship with a human, just that she wouldn't refuse to consider the idea simply because of racism.

Re: Garrus not needing/being able to talk things out. I agree that he's not the touchy-feely type that would self-analyze for ages or act as Shep's shrink. But I do think he needs to voice his emotions at least a bit more than he's doing now. Some things he's been through are obviously eating him up. And I'm sure that, once he's a bit more stable, he can give the same kind of support to Shep. Frankly, I wouldn't have seen her talking to him like she did to Liara at the end of LotSB just yet: he's still got his own insecurities to sort out, he doesn't need Shep's ones as well. But that doesn't mean it will always be like that.

Re: Garrus acting distant when you first recruit him. Consider: his whole team just got slaughtered because of a betrayal he's convinced he should've seen coming (when he couldn't have). He's spent 2 days fighting off an army of mercs on his own surrounded by the bodies of his squadmates. I'm pretty sure he was ready to go out in a blaze of glory. In waltzes Shep, who was supposed to be dead, and she also brings Cerberus with her. Frankly, I'd be surprised if Garrus jumped into her arms right then and there. Not only is that not his style, but he's also tired, surprised, dubious and an emotional wreck. Think of the first meeting with Tali on Freedom's Progress: she didn't sound particularly affectionate or happy to see Shep either. So if someone like her was distant at first, it's only natural that Garrus would be too.

Re: Shep doing all the work in the relationship. I beg to differ. Garrus brought wine, music and a change of clothes. By comparison: Tali thought about bringing music, but couldn't decide. Thane brought his issues. Jack brought her angst. Jacob brought...his abs. Miranda brought her bra.

Of course, this is half-serious, and I'm certainly not about to demean the Tali, Thane or Jack romances, because they each have other things to be worrying about than music or wine. But...so does Garrus, and yet he also thinks about the music and the wine, no matter how terrible the former is. He makes a big effort. And what does Shep do? She takes a shower...

We've had a discussion about why he didn't watch the vids at an earlier point in this thread, and the consensus seemed to be that it was either too awkward or too boring. You're not going to learn much from a "how to" vid about a relationship. I think he probably looked up some info about human anatomy, just to make sure things would, ah...fit. But I put myself in his place, and I'd definitely feel awkward watching a sex ed vid or some pr0nz before my first time with someone that matters to me. In a way, he might have felt it cheapened his relationship with Shep, which is based on a lot more than sex. Moreover, he's an action type of guy: there's only so much you can get out of theory without any practice. I think he decided to just go with his gut...but didn't quite bank on his nervousness when the moment actually came.

Re: Garrus sounding pushed if you reject him. Consider it from this perspective: Shep opens up the relationship by suggesting sex, and Garrus agrees pretty damn quickly. In fact, after Shep is gone, that's probably what worries him the most. I can see him standing at that console, a bit dazed, thinking "wait...did I just agree to have sex with Shepard? what the hell did I do that for? I...actually like the idea, but...what if it doesn't work? what will she think of me? I'm going to lose my closest friend! and why did she ask me that in the first place? does she think I'm that kind of friend? does she have some weird alien fixation? if sex is all she wants, she can have pretty much any human guy...so why ask me? does she want something more?"

I think Garrus realizes pretty quickly that the reason he agreed so readily to the sex is because he's actually envisioning the relationship as something more meaningful almost right from the get-go. The problem? He has no idea how Shepard is envisioning it, and he'd probably NOT be ok with her viewing it as only a booty call. His reasoning seems to be "if blowing off steam is all you want, we can go shoot things, we don't have to have sex together. Because us having sex together would change everything, and I don't want to cheapen what we have...But if you want more than sex, well...I'll do my best to make it work...because I'm realizing that I also want it to work, I want it to be right."

Heh, viewing it from this perspective, the Garrus romance is like the opposite of a fling.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 29 septembre 2010 - 09:48 .

[aznsoisauce]

With neither Shepard or Garrus doing any "research" it reminds me of one of my favorite deliciously smutty fics. I don't have a link to the fic itself, but I remember it being one of the files in the Garrus folder that was being passed around. Their translators had glitched out and they couldn't understand each other but they were amused nonetheless. It eventually leads to an invitation back to Shep's loft. It was...a cute concept.

Then again, I think in that fic it is mentioned that Shepard and Garrus had indeed been doing some research..."late night extranet queries" or something.

[nekhbet]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Assorted catching up:

Re: turians and eggs. There was a CDN news snip about some woman adopting turian twins. Since it's apparently extremely rare for oviparous species to have viable twins, it's very likely that turians have live births.

It's not entirely unheard of (some turtles have twinning happening like 0.02-2%, I noticed as I googled this a moment ago, compare to humans at 1.1%), but if I recall right they've a tendency to die before they hatch. Also, BioWare has a bit of a habit not specifying stuff that functions like it does for humans... turian lifespan comes to mind. They did specify that salarians lay eggs, and it's hinted that krogans do ("thousand in a clutch" or something). Also, both krogan and salarian females live pretty much excluded and probably have a lesser female:male ratio, whereas turian females are only missing because of development budgets. They take an active role in the society as generals etc, which could be a bit odd if they were the breeding type egg-laying machines like krogans and salarians. It's a bit of speculation, of course, but considering the circumstantial evidence I'm putting my money on viviparous.

Of course, there's this "missing link between dinosaurs and birds" thing, which could indicate that turians are more like the dinosaurs where birds came from (which were the ones laying eggs) and less like the dinosaurs that had live births, but it's Anderson's opinion and not from the Galactic Encyplopaedia of Xenobiology.

Here's the CND bit. Well, hope it works.. this linky button sucks big time. If there's an extra http:// just remove it.

Or maybe we're all wrong and they're closer to marsupials. If so, please remember to put the funny bumps inside the female's pouch, BioWare!

Modifié par nekhbet, 29 septembre 2010 - 10:39 .

[Nilfalasiel]

nekhbet wrote...

It's not entirely unheard of (some turtles have twinning happening like 0.02-2%, I noticed as I googled this a moment ago, compare to humans at 1.1%), but if I recall right they've a tendency to die before they hatch. Also, BioWare has a bit of a habit not specifying stuff that functions like it does for humans... turian lifespan comes to mind. They did specify that salarians lay eggs, and it's hinted that krogans do ("thousand in a clutch" or something). Also, both krogan and salarian females live pretty much excluded and probably have a lesser female:male ratio, whereas turian females are only missing because of development budgets. They take an active role in the society as generals etc, which could be a bit odd if they were the breeding type egg-laying machines like krogans and salarians. It's a bit of speculation, of course, but considering the circumstantial evidence I'm putting my money on viviparous.

Yeah, the fact that there aren't any specifics about turian reproduction in the Codex is also what makes me think that it's not very different from human, since they go out of their way to explain that salarians lay eggs and that asari have mind sex. The krogan are a bit misleading though, as the "thousand in a clutch" line is said by Okeer. The Codex doesn't say anything about their reproductive system, which would lead me to assume live births as well, but Okeer's line is a bit misleading. I guess I'm mainly thinking that the krogan are large enough to carry live babies. Unlike salarians, who are skinny and lean, and definitely look like they'd be more suited to laying eggs.

[nekhbet]

The krogan egg-laying thing makes sense, though, if you think of their reproducing speed. If only one in thousand survive, that means the females have to produce a s**tload of offspring in the first place. There's simply no way they could maintain any size of population unless they were breeding by the thousands. Laying huge clutches also explain why their population got out of control in the first place. And the fact is, they've been maintaining their population for about 1500 years now.

I cannot imagine viviparous animals reproducing by thousands of offspring per year. Rabbits can make it to 20-30 and if I recall right viviparous lizards can go to about the same, but thousands? No way.

Modifié par nekhbet, 29 septembre 2010 - 11:26 .

[Nilfalasiel]

nekhbet wrote...

I cannot imagine viviparous animals reproducing by thousands of offspring per year. Rabbits can make it to 20-30 and if I recall right viviparous lizards can go to about the same, but thousands? No way.

Mice can be pretty prolific too, but no, I agree, thousands of offspring for a viviparous species is unrealistic. The thing is, before hearing Okeer's comment, I had no idea the krogan produced THAT many babies. I just thought they were the sapient equivalent of bunnies. So if the "thousand in a clutch" line is literal, then yeah, eggs is probably the only thing that makes sense. If Okeer was using an image or was exaggerating though...

[JediSoth]

aznsoisauce wrote...

 Two things:

• Turians probably can't eat noodles. Not the way we do, anyway. Slurping and all that.
• I still think that the vids Mordin sends are just of him talking about Human and Turian anatomies while he plays with a Barbie doll and the Turian equivalent of a G.I. Joe.

And now for something related to both topics: Food and Research

Ha! Torgo's Pizza. Ya think Garrus takes care of the place while the Master is away?

[nekhbet]

Yeah, if he was exaggerating they could be like bunnies.

Hmm.. just looked at the Codex entry, and it says "The resulting mutation made only one in a thousand krogan pregnancies carry to term. It did not reduce fertility, but offspring viability."

Uhm... there's no way this is possible, BioWare. Pick one. Either it's not "one in a thousand", or it's not "pregnancy" as the word is commonly understood. A population where "one in a thousand" survives does not maintain itself for 1500 years if there's actual pregnancy involved. Unless there's like 100:1 female:male ratio and they do absolutely nothing but breed, breed, breed and even then I think it's quite a stretch, considering not all females are fertile to begin with. Even if they live up 1000 years, they kill each other far quicker than they can reproduce.

Argh. Sorry, biologist + annoying errors = plenty of ranting. It doesn't have to be 100% accurate or anything, but stuff like this isn't even remotely plausible when given some thinking...

Anyway...

Modifié par nekhbet, 29 septembre 2010 - 01:08 .

[Sialater]

kglaser wrote...

I think that if Garrus was weirded out and wanted to break up something, part of the onus should be on him. Why should FemShep have to do *everything*??
And humans are the only mammals who drink the milk of ANYTHING as adults. That makes us unique (and weird), already. :/

Tell that to my cats who keep trying to steal my breakfast milk.