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[Krytheos]

Chickens lay eggs. Do chickens disgust you? Do cute little chickens, pecking cutely at the ground, nomming their foodz and laying their eggz make you uncomfortable?



Last time I checked as well, Raptors laid eggs. Where am I going with this, you intrepid people?



ALIENS HAVE DIFFERENT REPRODUCTION HABITS! Different reproduction habits produce different ways of excrement's; for example, a human produces offspring by mating with the opposite gender, laying his seed within the female of the species, and it is produced through a very specific, biological way. That is childbirth. It is no different for alien species except in the way the act goes, the way the reproduction goes, the mating rituals and such; different species have different ways of reproducing as well as different reproductive organisms that allow that specific species biology to reproduce.



The procreation process is done through a complex series of biological events in the body, allowing the female of the species unless that species is asexual like the asari, to produce an offspring. Each species has a unique way of going about this in some form; the asari can keep the genetic/biological dna code/genome for many years until they wish to effectively produce the offspring.



Humans produce by way of the female giving birth to an offspring, of indeterminte origin, skin color what have you.



Turians produce offspring, I assume, similar to the way raptors may produce an egg/offspring due to their avian-like -- but not necessarily avian biology -- bodily structures and biological functions allowing them to have a chance at producing viable children.



Krogan, before the genophage, had their own way of reproduction, as did the salarians, the salarian offshoots, the hanar, and the elcor, each in different ways to our own. Such is the diversification of many different alien species; this is also one reason hybrids do not exist, because biological structures are -not- the same and thus hybrid offspring are not a viable way of continuing the species by any such way.



So, uhm, yeah. Alien reproduction will produce different results based on different species. It's kind of the way the universe works. If you look at Earth, you can already see the diversity of how each species reproduces in their own way, and their own structural biology contributing to that. If you honestly think it's disgusting, then you must think birds who lay eggs are disgusting, raptors who are disgusting, and many other species who do lay eggs are disgusting, or maybe you're just 'uncomfortable' with it.



Comfort or not, turians reproduce how they reproduce. So..yeah.

[oenis]

Did anyone say (possible) egg baby turians were gross? I don't remember it.
@Raga, the thread is about Garrus and turians, so I don't see it as OT. I love listening to all the science-y discussions.

Edit: Doesn't the Weryloc dude say something to Shepard like, 'you have not seen the bodies of the children who have never lived?'

Modifié par oenis, 30 septembre 2010 - 05:25 .

[Twilight_Princess]

ciaweth wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

his room doesn't have a stick hut in it I hope.

I'm sure turians would use better building materials, and/or have ritualized this behavior long ago, such that it's just a form of romantic gift-giving.  IF they were bower builders, which there's nothing in canon to indicate they are.

But the idea of a stick hut in the middle of Shepard's cabin is what was making me giggle.

Just picturing him sitting there under a bunch of sticks in the middle of his room like its totally normal, then Shepard comes in for the first time and is all like "What's this?" and Garrus simply says "This is my stick hut".

[ciaweth]

NVM, let's just get out the popcorn.

Modifié par ciaweth, 30 septembre 2010 - 05:20 .

[J4N3_M3]

oenis wrote...

Did anyone say (possible) egg baby turians were gross? I don't remember it.
@Raga, the thread is about Garrus and turians, so I don't see it as OT. I love listening to all the science-y discussions.

Edit: Doesn't the Weryloc dude say something to Shepard like, 'you have not seen the bodies of the children who have never lived?'

This and this and the EDIT this, too! 

[LessThanKate]

ChickenDownUnder wrote...

I have a random question.

If you have a character that romanced Kaiden, and you brought along Garrus to Horizon, they'll interact and so on. But it's clear even then that what was between a femShep and Kaiden didn't receive 100% closure. And there is Garrus seeing all of that.

So why do you think Garrus never brings up a "I thought you were still with Kaiden?" when suggesting that the two of you have sex?

Clearly it is set up so that a femShep could still be sort-of with Kaiden, since the pic of him in your room only gets turned over once you choose another LI. Not necessarily because of what was said at Horizon.

I also couldn't help wonder why Garrus (or Tali) wouldn't mention any ME1 love interest. Maybe Garrus more, since he's apparently a little gossip ("You have intentions with the lieutenant?" "No ma'am! And anyway, Scuttlebutt syas he's sweet on someone else,"). My impression is the game was giving you the green light to do what you want; you and Ash/Kai are not "together" anymore, so you can...supposedly pursue anyone you want. The picture is not so much faithfulness, but patience, showing you still care and are willing to try again should the chance arise. While I, on principle, have my Shepards be with one person and stick with him/her...it's definetely...a gray area, not necessarily cheating.

I would also guess Garrus wouldn't bring up a Kaiden romance because he assumes you've made the conscious decision to cut her losses and start a new relationships. Maybe it's about trust again...he knows Shepard's made up her mind.

TheodoricFriede wrote...

JulianP wrote...

Maybe turians don't dance because they're afraid it'll be too sexy! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/sideways.png[/smilie]

If turians were to dance, every woman in the galaxy would spontainiously reach orgasm.

 

Just like their art, turian dancing is rarely seen outside Palaven, and with good reason.



...Because it would blow your mind.

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Re: I'd be all over a turian
in real life, but probably not Garrus specifically. Relationships with
two people who are really disinclined to say a whole lot unless directly
asked don't tend to work. I know that from experience. (And yes, in
RL I don't say much unless directly asked if you can believe it or not
because I like to be able to think about what I say for a while before I
say it. You can do that on forums. It's harder in RL.)

I know how that is. I tend to be very quiet myself, get flustered easily...if turians were real, I'd probably just be...a silent admirer. Or, at bravest...

"Hey Shepard, you and Garrus are an awesome couple...he wouldn't happen to have a younger, more lighthearted brother, would he?" :innocent:

Modifié par LessThanKate, 30 septembre 2010 - 05:42 .

[J4N3_M3]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Krytheos wrote...
 

 and 

I never said eggs were disgusting.  And I don't understand why people think I am getting worked up about this.  I also don't give a crap how they reproduce.  If I am proven wrong in ME3, I will not mind in the slightest and I will adjust my opinion to coincide with new data.  I think speculation is fun.  I think analysis is fun.  I think world-building is fun.  That's it.  I swear.  What I don't get is why walls of text between two people must be considered fighting.  Huh?  We're being completely civil  I get some people could care less about this topic.  That's also fine.  So just skip the walls of text and go to the topics you do think are interesting.  I skip stuff in the thread all the time because not all topics interest me.

Raga, I don't think that one post was necessarily against you.... *hands flowers and cookies and nekkid Otho for further interogation about turian reproduction* <3

[Eradyn]

Okay...I can't be the only one...but has anyone else been reading This comic by Pomponorium? Because it's absolutely brilliant, imho, and I love how they parodied Garrus. XD

[oenis]

My bad, he actually says piles.

[oenis]

Eradyn wrote...

Okay...I can't be the only one...but has anyone else been reading This comic by Pomponorium? Because it's absolutely brilliant, imho, and I love how they parodied Garrus. XD

Haven't gotten to Garrus yet but I love it so far. Joker: "Everybody run for your lives!" and Tali: "Look guys, I'm scratching my head with a shotgun." Thanks for linking.

[nekhbet]

Wow, thread explosion! I've already listed reasons for viviparous reproduction and there's some good reasons listed for reoviparous production, too, a few pages back... I'm not gonna get into that discussion unless people bring in some new arguments ( arguments as in an academic debate, not as in a flame war).



Anyway, the conclusion was that there's no solid evidende for either.



I'm going with viviparous personally. It'd be fun to have a viviparous non-mammal along with the different aliens, since we already have mammal-like and probably live-birthing aliens (asari and quarians), egg-laying aliens (salarians) and something undefined (krogans, though I'm actually hoping they're marsupial-like. that'd explain stuff better than life-birthing).



Re: Folks finding alien romances weird.



Well, I can't say I've considered cross-species relationships outside the pixel world myself (though I'm not about to stop any consenting adults from doing what they fancy). But I think games are games for a reason, and with games you can do stuff you would never consider IRL or stuff you couldn't do IRL. The pixel world is a sandbox, a place to "live" through a story. So, why not romance aliens while you're at it?

[J4N3_M3]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

And naked Otho you say?  Hmmm, this has potential...  For that I could probably be bribed to do just about anything.

figured as much :D:D:D:D:D:D

[Alexine]

I'm late to this, but I'll just add my 2 cents about alien romances:

I honestly don't think alien romances are creepy. If you put it into the context in human history, authors and history have always been morbidly interested in relationships/romance with things alien to culture. If you look at myths from ancient greeks, Zeus loved to turn into animals to seduce various women on Earth (not to mention various humanoid gods having affairs with other humanoids or even mixed animals, example one greek god getting it on with a goat). Were these people in antiquity creeped out by these? Mostly not, because the purpose of these was to make something unique, yet something to relate back to reality (there are other reasons, but this reason is related to modern times). In terms of the romance with Garrus (without getting off-topic about discussions of world history), what drew people to his romance is how it relates realistical to a relationship/romance with someone else. It's not about what appears to be, but what is left unspoken and symbolic of. It's not the fact that Garrus a mix of a dinosaur and a cat, but actually a sentient being.

[General Ashous]

I very much agree. I'd do almost anything to see that. Perhaps we also need to meet Sol. She would be an interesting person to bump into with Garrus. Perhaps she could even be a male Shep LI. Oh, now that would be fun. Garrus as a bro in law. That deffinetly has benefits.

[J4N3_M3]

Alexine wrote...

I'm late to this, but I'll just add my 2 cents about alien romances:

I honestly don't think alien romances are creepy. If you put it into the context in human history, authors and history have always been morbidly interested in relationships/romance with things alien to culture. If you look at myths from ancient greeks, Zeus loved to turn into animals to seduce various women on Earth (not to mention various humanoid gods having affairs with other humanoids or even mixed animals, example one greek god getting it on with a goat). Were these people in antiquity creeped out by these? Mostly not, because the purpose of these was to make something unique, yet something to relate back to reality (there are other reasons, but this reason is related to modern times). In terms of the romance with Garrus (without getting off-topic about discussions of world history), what drew people to his romance is how it relates realistical to a relationship/romance with someone else. It's not about what appears to be, but what is left unspoken and symbolic of. It's not the fact that Garrus a mix of a dinosaur and a cat, but actually a sentient being.

I'm simple here....Turians look like Predators, that could shred me to tiny lil pieces with their bare hands. They come across as superior to humans (they are taller, seem to be faster and have way more spectres PLUS they are a Council race). I love me some "submit yourself" - "pah, make me!" dialogues and Garrus' sparring lines are the ultimate pickup line for my weird sex drive - *turns brain off*

not to forget the coolness, badassnes, his awkwardness, his humour and DAT voice (*THERE I USED THE WORD DAT* ) , he cares, he's loyal and although I (I mean, Shepard, Shepard) confuse the shyt out of him and make him feel nervous (NEVER uncomfortable) makes for the ultimate package of AWESOME ! 

don't care what everyone else says, that I'm a creep. Already knew that when I turned 15

[REMspace]

Now I'm at work and I will be brief in this speech (unfortunately). First, I agree with Alexine.



I happened in recent months to talk with my brother's friends (and some customers of my store) about the alien romances in Mass Effect. Yes, folks finding weird alien romances. Unfortunately it's true. These my brother's friends found it strange that I could choose, in Mass Effect 2, a love story with Garrus. I personally don't consider it a strange thing because Garrus is a sentient being. I don't judge Garrus by his physical appearance, but as a person. Garrus is undoubtedly a fascinating guy, with great humanity and irony. His dialogues, his actions, and much more. All these things make him special as a person.



I don't think we should judge by appearances, but the inner qualities that every individual counts with.

[aznsoisauce]

General Ashous wrote...

I very much agree. I'd do almost anything to see that. Perhaps we also need to meet Sol. She would be an interesting person to bump into with Garrus. Perhaps she could even be a male Shep LI. Oh, now that would be fun. Garrus as a bro in law. That deffinetly has benefits.

I think Garrus would clap your sh*t if you tried to get with his sister.

[J4N3_M3]

I fell for turians the moment I saw Nihlus, I don't see why everyone is obsessing over Lorik, I think Sidonis is way better looking (IMHO) and I'm not lying to myself or anyone else, I am how I am, I like Garrus for the before mentioned reasons. If that's weird, oh well. *shrugs* Guess that makes me one of these superficial people then...

[J4N3_M3]

hm, looks like I'm not so superficial after all... xD I like horns and tails....and ya know, everything that's big :whistle::whistle::whistle::whistle: :innocent::innocent::innocent::innocent::innocent::innocent::innocent:

EDIT: 

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I don't get the Lorik thing either.  I like him, but I think there
are way more attractive turians out there.  In order for me: Garrus,
Saren, Nihlus, Gavorn (I know, I know), and various NPCs I could name.

Nihlus, Garrus (yeah, there, I said it, so what?) OMG GAVORN, Sidonis RAWR 

PS: Got horns and tails myself by the way.....they serve decorational purposes only, though.....and the horns keep my halo in place because that god damn thing always slips...

Modifié par J4N3_M3, 30 septembre 2010 - 08:53 .

[J4N3_M3]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I love Hellboy. I've already admitted that the reason I first found Thane attractive WAY before it was announced he was an LI is because he looked like Abe Sapien. I also really like Nightcrawler. If this makes me a deviant than I guess I just have to be a deviant. Deviancy is fun.

I always thought I was the only one who found the Nightcrawler hawt..... ^____^ funny enough, he did way more to me than Wolverine....but that may have been simply for the fact that the latter was played by Hugh Jackman in the movies and I don't like Hugh Jackman.

Modifié par J4N3_M3, 30 septembre 2010 - 09:04 .