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Calibrations: Garrus Love and Turian Discussion
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Posté 03 octobre 2010 - 08:44
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I personally think "plate-like" is also referring more to shape than it is to hardness. Think of like a turian's upper "lip," how it can flex. Or how they can shift the plates above their eyes. I don't think it's stiff. Turians seem too flexible for that. Think of bendy Garrus when he kneels down to fix the Mako. I still like the idea of something rather like hard leather with composition rather than hardness being what blocks the radiation. So the idea of "pigmentation" would work for that.
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Posté 03 octobre 2010 - 08:47
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Yes, their lips ARE flexible and actually seem pretty soft, too. You can see them move very easily when turians talk. That's no hard plate there.
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Posté 03 octobre 2010 - 08:47
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Turians do use random human expressions, like that one on Noveria who surprised me by saying "God." xD I just wonder what a turian version of waking up in a cold sweat is if they don't sweat. The expression sounds like it wouldn't make sense otherwise. I'm not sure how much the translators really take care of either... since Lorik's attempts at human expressions should make more sense if they did. Or I'll just use one of my favorite in-game justifications for things that are confusing or don't totally make sense - the Reapers wanted it that way. Want an alien species to evolve with the capability to sweat through metal? It's done.
@nekhbet: That's a good explanation. It's pretty similar to what I thought too.
@nekhbet: That's a good explanation. It's pretty similar to what I thought too.
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Posté 03 octobre 2010 - 09:00
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Remember in ME1 when Garrus is all 'It's like you humans say - I feel it in my gut.' Executor Palin has some similar lines.
Well, it would hardly be efficient. In order to cool off from sweating, the sweat needs to evaporate, and if it's only being sweated to the seams in between the plates of a Turian's skin, that would hardly help.
lso, I'm pretty sure turians could just sweat from their skin. Their faceplates, fringe, etc. are metallic, but their skin doesn't seem to be. It would be strange for Sidonis to use that expression if turians don't have anything similar to sweating.
Well, it would hardly be efficient. In order to cool off from sweating, the sweat needs to evaporate, and if it's only being sweated to the seams in between the plates of a Turian's skin, that would hardly help.
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Posté 03 octobre 2010 - 09:02
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Yeah, "waking up in cold sweat" isn't an idiom like most human idioms, originating from some weird scenario 500 years ago that nobody remembers but everyone refers to when using the idiom... it's what actually happens. Well, I'm not a native English speaker so I can't speak for English idioms too much, but the languages that I know all have the exact same expression so I think it isn't just a language thing.
And yeah, just because you can't sweat through tin foil doesn't mean that some species couldn't do that... but the tin foil thing doesn't seem plausible anyway, because tin foil doesn't stretch. No matter how the metal is "attached" to their skin, there's gotta be some "holes" inbetween that allow it to stretch (and make, for example, sweating possible).
Umm, plenty of animals only have sweat glands in certain parts of their bodies and manage just fine without, for example, panting. Horses are a good example of this. Even if turians only sweated "between the plates", it'd easily be efficient enough for cooling.
And yeah, just because you can't sweat through tin foil doesn't mean that some species couldn't do that... but the tin foil thing doesn't seem plausible anyway, because tin foil doesn't stretch. No matter how the metal is "attached" to their skin, there's gotta be some "holes" inbetween that allow it to stretch (and make, for example, sweating possible).
Well, it would hardly be efficient. In order to cool off from sweating,
the sweat needs to evaporate, and if it's only being sweated to the
seams in between the plates of a Turian's skin, that would hardly help.
Umm, plenty of animals only have sweat glands in certain parts of their bodies and manage just fine without, for example, panting. Horses are a good example of this. Even if turians only sweated "between the plates", it'd easily be efficient enough for cooling.
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Posté 03 octobre 2010 - 09:09
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Kim Shepard wrote...
Turians do use random human expressions, like that one on Noveria who surprised me by saying "God." xD I just wonder what a turian version of waking up in a cold sweat is if they don't sweat. The expression sounds like it wouldn't make sense otherwise. I'm not sure how much the translators really take care of either... since Lorik's attempts at human expressions should make more sense if they did. Or I'll just use one of my favorite in-game justifications for things that are confusing or don't totally make sense - the Reapers wanted it that way. Want an alien species to evolve with the capability to sweat through metal? It's done.
@nekhbet: That's a good explanation. It's pretty similar to what I thought too.
OH YEAH. Well...damn. Actually, it doesn't matter to me since I seem to think that Turians can indeed sweat. The textures used on Turians appear porous to me.
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Posté 03 octobre 2010 - 09:17
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Yes, but why would those turians actually go out of their way to point out they were using a human expression? "You humans have a saying..." "What is that charming human expression...fly in the lotion?" "You humans, always dipping your fingers into someone's else's pie. Is that the right expression?" They always seem to qualify it when they do it. Why would they do that if they routinely use human expressions? Plus, all those turians (Garrus, Pallin, Lorik) are around humans a lot and are higher candidates for picking up actual human expressions. The translators can't be doing a literal translation of everything or sentence structure would be all garbled and such. Think of like German or Latin which can arrange sentence structure in a way different order than English. A literal word for word translation of Latin would often make no sense in English. You have to rearrange the words to fit our sentence structure. Likewise, some idioms don't make sense across cultural boundaries let alone across special ones.
Plus, even if the turians had "tin foil" skin, why couldn't they have pores? Would that render them unable to repulse the radiation? I don't think so, but I don't know for sure. This might be a bad comparison, but think of like our skin which has pores yet is still watertight.
Plus, even if the turians had "tin foil" skin, why couldn't they have pores? Would that render them unable to repulse the radiation? I don't think so, but I don't know for sure. This might be a bad comparison, but think of like our skin which has pores yet is still watertight.
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Posté 03 octobre 2010 - 09:25
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The sweat shouldn't have to evaporate only between plates - they have areas of skin that aren't covered by plates, like their necks, and probably more under the armor. Like others have said, turians can bend, which wouldn't be possible if they were metal all over. Amor works the same way, with more flexible material at the joints.
Translators confuse me too. "Siha" didn't translate because it's a name. I think some asari have said "by the goddess" or a similar expression. The hanar have the Enkindlers. It seems like their religious terms stay the same, but if that's true, then that turian on Noveria really did say "God" without the translation. He might have just picked it up from working around so many humans (as far as I could tell, he was the only turian on the team of scientists), and even some humans use the expression without being religious, but it's still kind of cool. By the way, does anyone remember turians making a reference to the spirits in-game? I just know one from Retribution, not exactly in the right context that I was thinking of.
...Maybe we're not meant to think too hard about these things. xD
Translators confuse me too. "Siha" didn't translate because it's a name. I think some asari have said "by the goddess" or a similar expression. The hanar have the Enkindlers. It seems like their religious terms stay the same, but if that's true, then that turian on Noveria really did say "God" without the translation. He might have just picked it up from working around so many humans (as far as I could tell, he was the only turian on the team of scientists), and even some humans use the expression without being religious, but it's still kind of cool. By the way, does anyone remember turians making a reference to the spirits in-game? I just know one from Retribution, not exactly in the right context that I was thinking of.
...Maybe we're not meant to think too hard about these things. xD
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Posté 03 octobre 2010 - 09:31
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I think that thinking too deeply on a subject can lead us a stray from the truth, it may be more simple than we think. However, I still can't see it. I think perhaps some turians are christian whereas some may stick to the old group spirit belief. It's like humans, they may convert religions when they arise and because they believe it suits them more than their old religion As for the pores, I believe that there should be pores on the exposed skin and probably in gaps in between the plates as they would need to release water for homostasis or whatever it would be called for turians as they aren't human.
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Posté 03 octobre 2010 - 09:33
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Kim Shepard wrote...
...Maybe we're not meant to think too hard about these things. xD
We're not. The actual reason is "because it's easiest to just have everybody talk in fluent English all the time." It's just fun to pick apart and see if it is possible to come up with an in-world solution that can also explain simple gameplay stuff.
Also, yes. The turian at Rodam Expeditions says "By the Spirits! Shepard, in my store!" if you saved the Council and then use a paragon persuade to get a discount.
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Posté 03 octobre 2010 - 09:37
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The Codex mentions that some turians moved on to Zen Buddhism after first contact with humanity. Some could have moved to other Earth religions as well. Maybe the "God!" turian is one of the few turians who actually believes in our God.
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Posté 03 octobre 2010 - 10:06
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I think it's probably a mix of some turians using actual human idioms and of the translators giving us comparable human ones for turian idioms we wouldn't completely understand.
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Posté 03 octobre 2010 - 10:10
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I knew I remembered a turian saying that somewhere besides the forums! xD He's awesome. The saddest part about letting the Council die will be no "I'll name my firstborn after you" from him. And yeah, I figured "God" turian either believes in one of the human religions or uses it as an expression that's common among the people he works with - both would explain it. Noveria turians tend to try more human thngs, it seems. Expressions, possibly religions, and then there's donut turian (probably dextro donuts).
It can be fun to analyze all this stuff, and wonder if even the writers have explanations for some of it, or if the fans want to know more than they planned out. Do you guys notice these things on your first playthroughs, or is it only after several playthroughs that you start to think about it? I wouldn't even think about half of it if not for the Garrus thread.
It can be fun to analyze all this stuff, and wonder if even the writers have explanations for some of it, or if the fans want to know more than they planned out. Do you guys notice these things on your first playthroughs, or is it only after several playthroughs that you start to think about it? I wouldn't even think about half of it if not for the Garrus thread.
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Posté 03 octobre 2010 - 10:16
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I notice some of it on my first playthrough, some on later playthroughs, and some things I don't notice until it's pointed out to me by other people. I don't do this with everything I read/watch/play though. It's actually kind of a testament to how much I like something if I start picking it apart. Some things I don't think are worth picking apart because they aren't interesting enough. I just really, really like world-building and intricate settings like Middle-Earth and the ME mythos. The setting is a good 60% of the draw for me. The characters are about 35% of the draw. The other 5% is various other stuff like roleplaying and interesting morality conundrums to think about.
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Posté 03 octobre 2010 - 10:25
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Kim Shepard wrote...
It can be fun to analyze all this stuff, and wonder if even the writers have explanations for some of it, or if the fans want to know more than they planned out. Do you guys notice these things on your first playthroughs, or is it only after several playthroughs that you start to think about it? I wouldn't even think about half of it if not for the Garrus thread.
I'm almost 100% sure that a lot of this stuff comes from the devs as a funny idea that has absolutely no backing and they don't think the fans would pick on it and demand explanation... I mean, I've been there, done that with games design myself and then I'm like "wtf, this thing doesn't have an explanation, sorry guys, it just seemed like a good idea at the time!" and then let the players figure out the explanation and incoporate it, if it's good. I doubt BioWare will do too much of the latter (larger audience, after all, and too many cooks spoil the broth), but still.
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Posté 03 octobre 2010 - 10:39
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So heres a topic,
Turian body temperature:
Higher or lower then human body temperature?
Isn't the Turian homeworld eradiated? I think that should factor in to people's Turian body temp theories.
Even though we already know that deep down inside, Garrus is cool.
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Posté 03 octobre 2010 - 11:05
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Just_mike wrote...
TheodoricFriede wrote...
So heres a topic,
Turian body temperature:
Higher or lower then human body temperature?
Isn't the Turian homeworld eradiated? I think that should factor in to people's Turian body temp theories.
Even though we already know that deep down inside, Garrus is cool.
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Posté 03 octobre 2010 - 11:46
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hey pepple actually started descussing it. that gives me some joy.
I always assume turian body temperature to be slightly cooler myself for two reasons.
Reason 1: Palavan is a hot world, so there would be less need for a high body temperature.
Reason 2: Turians have avian qualities. to the best of my knowledge most birds dont handle cold well. I could be way off on that though. Not to mention the line "Turians dont like cold" leads me to believe that turians have problems with colder environments.
I always assume turian body temperature to be slightly cooler myself for two reasons.
Reason 1: Palavan is a hot world, so there would be less need for a high body temperature.
Reason 2: Turians have avian qualities. to the best of my knowledge most birds dont handle cold well. I could be way off on that though. Not to mention the line "Turians dont like cold" leads me to believe that turians have problems with colder environments.
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Posté 03 octobre 2010 - 12:02
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Birds are actually endothermic and maintain a body temperature that is the same or higher than the environment. Meaning, they can handle cold pretty well (though I'm sure there are some exceptions - there's always the few weird species).
Reptilians, on the other hand, are ectothermic and their body temperature depends on the environment. They don't handle cold well.
We can move the science discussions to Clan V soon, lol... Need to prepare the topic!
Reptilians, on the other hand, are ectothermic and their body temperature depends on the environment. They don't handle cold well.
We can move the science discussions to Clan V soon, lol... Need to prepare the topic!
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Posté 03 octobre 2010 - 12:08
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also, the line Garrus says, that he's never seen so much ice and snow before, kinda implies that it either NEVER snows on Palaven or when it does, it's not really worth to mention it.
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Posté 03 octobre 2010 - 12:09
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I think it's safe to discuss science stuff here as well unless it gets out of hand. We can just move it if the science thing is getting on people's nerves or getting really OT. Also, we can use the science thread for archiving purposes.
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Posté 03 octobre 2010 - 12:13
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I'm pretty sure there are some places on Palavan that snow-- mountains or the arctic zones.
If it doesn't snow anywhere on Palavan then its a lot hotter on that planet then we think.
As for my whole avian not handling cold well theory which was so thoroughly trounced, well, i really should stop pretending like i know anything about biology.
If it doesn't snow anywhere on Palavan then its a lot hotter on that planet then we think.
As for my whole avian not handling cold well theory which was so thoroughly trounced, well, i really should stop pretending like i know anything about biology.
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Posté 03 octobre 2010 - 12:16
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Bear in mind that these are aliens so despite the obvious (and awesome) avian and reptilian features they dont have to have much in common with Earth spiecies.
But enough boring realism: I think the reason the developers made them look like that was because it looks cool and I can only agree with them and encourage them to make aliens this awesome looking. Also "because it looks cool" is usualy a good enough reason for most things in games for me.
They don't have any fur though, are rather slim built and not much fat under the skin so we can see those strong slender muscles... *Cough* Sorry, I got distracted. So easy to go gay for turians you know. Anyway, features like that are usualy a bad thing when you are in a cold enviroment on Earth. So yeah, I can imagine turians being colder than humans. Cold turian feet in your bed is perhaps one of the bad side effects of seducing them.
But enough boring realism: I think the reason the developers made them look like that was because it looks cool and I can only agree with them and encourage them to make aliens this awesome looking. Also "because it looks cool" is usualy a good enough reason for most things in games for me.
They don't have any fur though, are rather slim built and not much fat under the skin so we can see those strong slender muscles... *Cough* Sorry, I got distracted. So easy to go gay for turians you know. Anyway, features like that are usualy a bad thing when you are in a cold enviroment on Earth. So yeah, I can imagine turians being colder than humans. Cold turian feet in your bed is perhaps one of the bad side effects of seducing them.
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Posté 03 octobre 2010 - 12:34
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TheodoricFriede wrote...
As for my whole avian not handling cold well theory which was so thoroughly trounced, well, i really should stop pretending like i know anything about biology.
Hey! Ideas are always good, even if they don't always work out as expected!
lovgreno wrote...
Bear in mind that these are aliens so despite the obvious (and awesome) avian and reptilian features they dont have to have much in common with Earth spiecies.
Yeah, I was getting to that somewhere in this topic... there's more ways to "combine" the familiar traits (some which can be assumed to be "universal") than what we see on Earth.
They don't have any fur though, are rather slim built and not much fat under the skin so
we can see those strong slender muscles... *Cough* Sorry, I got distracted. So easy to go gay for turians you know. Anyway, features like that are usualy a bad thing when you are in a cold enviroment on Earth. So yeah, I can imagine turians being colder than humans. Cold turian feet in your bed is perhaps one of the bad side effects of seducing them.
Well, this calls for some new speculation now... you know how Garrus is awfully concerned about staying hydrated, right? What if the turian circulation is far "better" in the limbs than in humans, for example, perhaps because they need better cooling system thanks to Palaven's hot climate? Meaning they need to sweat from all over their bodies to keep cool, and take in larger amounts of replacement liquid as a result. That could mean their feet and hands actually stay warmer than in humans, thanks to the same good circulation.
I totally pulled that outta my ass, btw, and it's not been thoroughly considered.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]
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