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J4N3_M3

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kglaser wrote...

And this Garrus/TalTal pic?
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I'm currently trying to make a cool squad pic for Garrus and Tali in GarrysMod. Damn that thing.....placing Ragdolls in cool positions is effing hard xD 

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Never knew though, that Garrus and Thane had SO MUCH flexibility of their own haha.

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I don't think Garrus would have been so quick to join Shepard if his team was still intact. I do think he might have redirected his operations to help Shepard in any way that he can. Sort of how Liara is using the Shadow Broker resources to help Shepard, and really a good part of the reason she went after the SB to begin with was because of his dealings with the Collectors. I don't think it would be fair of Shepard to expect Garrus to just drop everything and leap onto the Normandy. I could maybe see Garrus bringing his team with him, but then it would be a shame to shove him out of a leadership position when he knows those men and they have been working together for so long. I don't think Garrus would have a hissy fit over it. If Shepard asked him to come, I think he would. I just think it might be kind of unfair to ask that of Garrus-to either leave his team or submit his team to somebody's else's command. It would be totally awesome if the SM could have been some kind of joint operation between the two teams. Shep's team goes one way and Garrus' team handles the other path. Too cool for school. It would never happen I know, but I can dream.

If he was a Spectre I think it would be more likely he would join as he would be more a loner there and would leap at the chance to do a really important mission. I don't think Garrus resents being under Shep's command. I think he's cool with it. And I also think the CDN has shown evidence of Spectres working in small teams before. I'm sure in those situations the Council designates which one is in charge as otherwise it would cause a leadership crisis in critical moments. I don't think the Council would want him to go with Shepard, however, as it would look like they were supporting Shepard's mission. I don't think Council disapproval would stop Garrus from coming though. He probably wouldn't ask at all. "Better to ask forgiveness than permission" and all that.

Addendum:  Also, I don't mind Garrus' focus on revenge/punishment of evil.  I think it makes sense for him.  I would like him to move on to something else as his arc in ME3 though as it would definitely be getting stale if they did it for a third time.  Or at least, I would like his arc to involve more than just that.

Modifié par Ragabul the Ontarah, 04 octobre 2010 - 06:01 .


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I want Garrus to be a squadmate in ME3, and I don't think it would make much sense at all for him to leave. I still think all the squadmates will return though, with a few of them doing something important to help the mission without necessarily being a squadmate (like Wrex) and a few new ones. Of course, BioWare can make it happen if they want to... and if I can have Kai Leng as a squadmate, that would almost make up for it. xD But BioWare always writes good stories, so I'm confident that whatever Garrus does in ME3 will be awesome.

To answer Buggirl's question, Garrus probably would have joined Shepard no matter what was going on in his life at the time. If his team was still alive, I'm sure he had someone who would be a decent second-in-command. If he joined C-Sec... well, he doesn't seem to like it that much, so he would have gone off with Shepard again. If he was a Spectre, it would be easy to go help Shepard out. The Council might be annoyed that he's working with Cerberus, but it's possible for Shepard to keep Spectre status, so the same should be true for Garrus if he went to work with Shepard.

Also, I liked the whole story about Garrus' time on Omega, his recruitment, and his loyalty mission. I like the revenge themes too. :) A lot of my favorite characters (...actually, I think it's safe to say all of them) are the vengeful type, so obviously I wouldn't mind that it's done often.

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Yea, Kim made me think of something relevant just now. As much as those of us who love specific characters want to see them do something awesome and get the spot-light and all that, this is Shepard's story. This is why I don't like the idea of a Garrus Omega DLC. I love Garrus, but mostly I like how Garrus interacts with my Shepard. Garrus without Shepard becomes instantaneously about 40% less interesting to me as do all the other characters. I don't just want to watch Garrus do a bunch of stuff or hear him talk about a bunch of stuff he did. I want to be with him while he does all that stuff. I want to say my opinion on it. Garrus isn't a movie character. He's an RPG character. This kind of sucks as it often means that it looks like nobody can get anything done without Shepard or that Shepard is a Mary Sue or something. That's unfortunate, but to some degree unavoidable. I don't tend to think less of the characters because they respond so much to what Shepard does, and as much as I like the idea of Garrus finally striking out on his own/finally becoming immovable on certain issues, it would also mean Shepard would become more a person just watching him than interacting with him. I don't know how I would feel about that. I mean I know it can be awesome-just look what they did with Liara, but it could also be really disappointing if done poorly. And considering how variable Garrus and his arc are, I can't think of a single "thing" he could do that would come even close to pleasing most people as everybody has radically different opinions on what his ideal "thing" should be.  Other than a remain a squaddie with an arc Shepard can affect I mean (but even that would displease some people.)

Modifié par Ragabul the Ontarah, 04 octobre 2010 - 06:28 .


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I support the idea of Archangel comics, but not DLC... and that's not just because I can't play it. xD Like you said, it's Shepard's story. It would be strange to play any other character or move backwards in time. I want to know the story, and seeing it in comic form would be great - it's definitely exciting enough to make a comic for. It would be nice if Garrus talked about this with Shepard too, but it just doesn't fit into the game as something we can play through. Mass Effect is all about choices. How many choices could we make with a pre-determined character? How much would his "history" vary in everyone's playthroughs if we were the ones controlling him? What happened in Omega should be what really happened, not everyone's different versions of it (unless they don't tell us at all and we're left to make it up, like I've done with Saren's past until they give us any more information). The only differences should be which job attempt Garrus left behind.

I would still be just as interested in Garrus' story even without Shepard - the thing is, we'd miss that interaction they had before, and actually getting to see what Garrus is doing. If Garrus isn't with Shepard, we won't get to see it when the story is made to follow Shepard. That's why I'd like to read an Archangel comic, but still want him in ME3 as a squadmate. I think Saren's and Kai Leng's stories are just as interesting, but because they're in the books and not the games, we're not missing anything like we would with Garrus.

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Techno Turian



and I always thought, they used some kind of mod for this. Now I have to do Thane's loyalty mission tonight!

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It's be supremely lame for BioWare to make us recruit yet another team. I mean, it's been done twice now. Not once, but twice the game has been about recruiting a team. Getting to know your team, helping them out and them helping Shepard out. There's a good thing going on now, at least with part of the team and I guess even the money-hungry mercs realise at this point that the Reapers are coming and all the money in the world isn't gonna save them and thus want to put in an effort to stop them before going on their merry ways.

Whatever plot reasons they might give to break the team apart, it'd just be lame and redoing the same game for the third time instead of developing the ME arc.

That's why I think Garrus will be in ME3. Because BioWare can do better than that.

Edit: and why on earth do I always get double linebreaks if I don't hit edit...

Modifié par nekhbet, 04 octobre 2010 - 06:47 .


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I don't think everybody will be back, but I agree an entirely new team would make very little sense.

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Wow, that's the first time I've heard the music in the Techno Turian video. xD I guess I've always been listening to other songs on youtube at the time and only heard the sound from them. His dance moves go with every song though. (Did you guys watch the Garrus Gets Drunk video on the same page too? It's hilarious.)

I think the best idea I've seen on the forums so far is to choose a certain number of squadmates to recruit out of those from ME1, ME2, and some new ones in ME3 for the finale - the others will have something important to do that doesn't involve going with Shepard. That way, we can all have the squadmates we want and leave behind those we don't want, knowing that they're still helping us out in the end. Who knows, there might even be some good reasons for favorites to have their own mission, like Wrex building a krogan army. My Shepards would bring Garrus along every time, but it's nice to have a lot of options.

@nekhbet: Double linebreaks will happen if you use the Quick Reply. Edit brings the post to the normal reply screen and automatically fixes it. If that's not the reason, I have no idea.

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I'm with you on the comic over the DLC Kim. Also I'd not be happy if people got really PO about a Garrus DLC and then really began to hate him because of overexposure, it's a petty thing to hate a character over, but then there are a lot of petty people around.



Garrus story is really rich with possibilities, but then so are many of the other characters in the ME universe. This place is such a sandbox for our imaginations. Also, I like the books for the reasons that they suggest connections with the main ME story but are just on the periphery.



I've read a few Garrus on Omega fanfics lately and some are done quite well, albeit without knowing the names of the team at the time (LOL plenty of time for edits!)

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I'd prefer knowing for sure rather than just coming up with my own explanation, even though it is fun to do that, just because we know more about the characters that way. If we had a DLC that allowed us to make too many variations on a canon character, it just wouldn't feel like Garrus anymore. Fanfic is different - that's all for fun. I mean, I like my theory that Ripper is a former criminal... but it might not be the truth. (No matter how amusing it would be to watch my Earthborn Ruthless read Garrus' team list and all of a sudden say "He got Ripper killed? Someone bring Sidonis back to life so I can kill him again!" xD)

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Strangely, I thought Ripper was someone's pet varren.

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kraidy1117 wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Kraidy...that avatar. I demand that we make a garrus version.

Deal with it :P

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haha, awesome aznsoisauce! :D

now can we make one where Garrus is wearing a visor that looks like Kanye West glasses? XD

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pomponorium.deviantart.com/#/d3028ry

I thought you guys might like this.

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Very nice pic. I recently saw Garrus without his visor in ME1 and I have to admit, I prefer him with it on. His visor seems to be an integral part of him. Any ideas as to what it's for though? I know it plays music (awesome) and I think it also acts a HUD for him as well as a possible targeting reticule.

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General Ashous wrote...
 Any ideas as to what it's for though? I know it plays music (awesome) and I think it also acts a HUD for him as well as a possible targeting reticule.


Here you go. Maybe we should add this to the OP?

Targeting Visor(Custom)
-Unique model based on Kuwashii frame.
-Magnification up to 100x integrated target tracing, optional wind/gravity compensation solutions
-Sonar, LADAR, thermal, and EM targeting capable
-Monitors biofeedback on target within 10 meters to detect
heart-rate fluctuations or changes to breath pattern (standard council
races only)
-Can detect and measure biotic fields up to 100 meters away and
provide optimized firing solution to collapse kinetic barriers or
synthetic shielding support
-Optional kill-timer can track number of enemies taken down by self or suit-synced team members in given time period
-Armor hotlink provides backtracing of incoming fire and corrects for microrefraction of outgoing shots through kinetic barrier
-Audio link plays music per user request. Top 5 choices during firefight:

1)"Die for the Cause" (turian imperial anthem)
2)"Fire in the Courtyard" (soundtrack, Fleet and Flotilla)
3)"Bang Bang Boom" (Club Kicks, dance mix)
4)"Hurt Me Deeper" (Best of Expel 10, dance mix)
5)"Blue Azure"(Vaenia, soundtrack)

-Ten names carved into frame: Erash, Monteague, Mierin, Grundan Krul,
Melanis, Ripper, Sensat, Vortash, Butler, Weaver (Additional name
carved and subsequently burned out: Sidonis)



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Yes, we should. Someone notify Chimer? ;)

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Sialater wrote...

Yes, we should. Someone notify Chimer? ;)


Just sent a message. :)

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OK, Bioware really needs to let us hear those songs. The Turian anthem is a deffinet and the rest would just be a bonus. That could be a funny conversation in a firefight. (Garrus is behind cover and his foot is rythmically tapping on the floor) Shepard: Garrus! What are you doing?

Garrus: Umm.... listening to the turian anthem. Here, have a listen.

Shepard: We don't have time for... wo. That is good music. Suits the mood too. (Shoots mercenary as he's about to shoot Shepard) We should listen to music more often.

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When I first saw those songs, I just thought "Garrus is such a nerd, bless him". It's not just that he listens to music while shooting, but soundtracks and techno, ferchrissakes!

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I prefer him with the visor too. He would look naked without it (and not in a good way). ;)

I wish I could compose music. I'd have a try at the turian national anthem just for snicks.

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So when you imagine the Turian anthem do you think it sounds like something from Star Wars? For some reason I keep hearing the Imperial March :-P

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GUYS! Guys, I was watching clips of the new show Scooby Doo: mystery incorporated, and Daphne's sister Delilah came in and she sounded SUPER familiar so I looked her up and SHE'S VOICED BY JENNIFER HALE and I promptly flipped out of my chair! :D

It was beautiful.



...Ok, that's all. Carry on.

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Oh, God, Fia, that's hysterical!