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[kglaser]

Hmm...that link just took me to the main page.

[Hazzel42]

it's just so hard to know what the developers have planned for the squad members. They can take things so many ways i.e. Garrus and Tali as squad mates to the end because they've been there all along or they can both go off and be important leaders of their people. I still can't see that role for Garrus though. Tali totally, but Garrus seems to be too renegade and alone to have that kind of influence on the Turians. I see him stuck with Shepard to the bitter end because there's no where else he'd feel he can be of use.



In the end though our opinions will only have so much sway over the story arc. I just hope they give us some happy stuff though! If Garrus has to die I'll be bawling!

[kglaser]

He better not die and he better not be a small cameo. If they can make him a non-squaddie who has a substantial role of some kind, I would find that acceptable.

[Brass_Buckles]

kglaser wrote...

Hmm...that link just took me to the main page.

Yes, my copy/pasting got the link but then... well it didn't work.  I need help with the poll link under text thing.

But here's another try:  social.bioware.com/23148/polls/11630/

Here's hoping it works.

[kglaser]

It worked

Voted and commented.

[Hazzel42]

If Garrus dies in ME3 I can see an organized bunch of angry and wailing Clan V members storming Bioware HQ :-P

[kglaser]

I've said it multiple times, and I'll say it yet again: I'm very, very, very glad I'm not a BW employee. I don't envy anyone who has to make these design/writing decisions for ME3. No matter what they do--and I have no doubt whatsoever that they'll bend over backwards--some people are going to get upset. Some, VERY upset.

[Hazzel42]

I'll bring the tar and feathers. We'll stand there threatening them until they write him back alive - worked for Shepard (being brought back form the dead) :-P

[Brass_Buckles]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

For the record, I'm cool with whatever so long as they don't get written into obscurity and so long as they get treated respectfully. My official opinion is something like: I'm about 60% thinking he'll be a squadmate. 30% thinking he'll get an awesome cameo. And 10% thinking they will do something stupid.

If Tali isn't a squaddie, I'll be very surprised.

It neither Garrus and Tali are squaddies I will shed many hot, bitter tears and sulk in basement for a while.

Tali seems to be potentially a member of the Admiralty Board by the time ME3 rolls around (depending how long of a time span there is between ME2 and ME3, which could be anywhere from a few weeks to ten years for all we know).  She could be a squadmate, but she could also be put into a cameo position exactly like Wrex. Being a cameo character  would put her into a very powerful position in which she could lead the quarians in battle against the Reapers to help Shepard.  While I'd prefer my Shepard's long-time pals being in my party, that'd be pretty epic too.  Not as satisfying, of course, but it would make sense.  Incidentally, anyone else wonder why despite leading her own squad capably, Tali will fail as a fire team member in the end of ME2?  Seriously...

Also, I keep reading people thinking of Garrus as a lone wolf, or as keeping to himself unless spoken to.  To the contrary, I think he tends to gravitate toward working in groups.  Just because he can hold his own when alone doesn't mean he avoids people.  Remember, he gathered a squad on Omega.  He has probably enjoyed a certain amount of popularity among female turians in the past.  He doesn't talk about personal issues, but that doesn't mean he lacks in charisma or that he won't socialize. How many times has he interrupted Shepard to give his own opinion?  Actual interruptions--he's more inclined to do that than anyone else.  I'd argue that he's actually more inclined to open his mouth than most other squadmates.  While he kind of shuts down for a while against Shepard in ME2, I think that's more because he's been through a lot than because of who he is.  He's pretty chatty in ME1, even regarding personal issues.  That said, he's not all that great at dealing with other species in ME1.  It wouldn't surprise me if he were still a little awkward in that regard in ME2, especially with a Cerberus crew.  However, Kasumi seems to contradict that when she observes that he's a good guy.  For her to think that, she has to have either spoken to him or spied on his conversations with other people.  He may keep busy, but he must come out of the main battery sometime and chat with people.  That doesn't mean he's friends with them, but you don't have to be best friends to socialize.

[aznsoisauce]

Brass_Buckles wrote...
 Incidentally, anyone else wonder why despite leading her own squad capably, Tali will fail as a fire team member in the end of ME2?  Seriously...

She didn't lead her squad capably. Part of them branched off and did their own thing and died. Then on Haestrom, she and Kal are the only survivors before you fight the Geth armature. So...she's kinda got the Zaeed thing going on there.

Edited to add Garrus content:
Garrus, on the other hand, led a team on Omega. They died from an ambush and not from lack of leadership capabilities on Garrus' part..

Modifié par aznsoisauce, 08 octobre 2010 - 12:43 .

[Brass_Buckles]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I don't think Tali's a good leader unless she's leading a tech or engineering team. We've had several discussion about that in the Tali thread and that's the general consensus, that she is not fire team or admiral material.

Also, it's not that Garrus is shy or a lone wolf. I agree that he's a great team player and he'll talk about mission stuff with you no problem. He'll also crack a one liner now and again.  However, I don't think he will talk about the weather, people's kids, or tell you the ends and outs of his emotional problems unless you really press him.  He doesn't say anything unless something needs saying.

I disagree--he discussed these things without much prodding in ME1.  He's changed since then, but he also really opens up after his LM in ME2, not because you pressure him.  More likely it means he feels closer to Shepard than before, and he wants to open up.  He's not being pressured to explain himself in the ending romance scene, either, but he does.  Of course you could argue that Shepard's just the kind of person everybody wants to open up to.  On the other hand, it may just be because he sees Shepard as his best (and only) friend.  Romance him and in ME3 you might end up hearing the guy's whole life story.  (Actually shouldn't we be glad he's not telling us every detail of his life like Kaidan does?  Not that Kaidan isn't an okay guy in ME1, but... he is kind of, er, wordy.  And the way he reacted to my current character's mention of being on Mindoir... Seriously, Kaidan, don't say it like it's a good thing her whole family died!)

Edited to add... Tali would've been a capable leader, had her squad actually bothered to listen to her.  Though getting them to listen is a leadership thing, too.  Still I wouldn't follow Miranda out of a paper bag, and Bioware tells us she's a good leader.  I want to see a female character who actually is a good leader, and not solely in the game for her curves.  And by that I mean other than Femshep!

Modifié par Brass_Buckles, 08 octobre 2010 - 12:45 .

[aznsoisauce]

Aside from the final romance scene, I have never felt like Garrus has opened up about anything. Maybe that one thing about his dad in an ME1 conversation, but he didn't talk about it like it was something significant.

[Brass_Buckles]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I agree that ME1 Garrus is chattier than ME2 Garrus. ME1 Garrus also has a lot less on his mind and not half as many demons. But consider what Kelly says. "I just want to hold him close, yada, yada" and Jacob calling him "wounded" and some other things like that. Lot's of people are picking up on how distraught Garrus is. He admits to having nightmares if you confront Sidonis a certain way. Garrus isn't telling you half of what is going on with him. He never formally tells you he distrusts Miranda except in rather rare conditions. He only admits to feeling like things aren't going right if you romance him and then only in the final scene, which is the symbolic ending of his arc. The ending of his arc is that he opens up to you. That's pretty telling to me. He doesn't tell you about his sister or mother but finds a way to fix it on his own without ever speaking about it or asking for help.

I think Garrus will hang out and have drinks with you if there isn't something intense on his mind. It's just that 90% of the time, he has something intense on his mind.

And I don't want him to be like Kaidan. I like that he does this stiff upper lip thing. It's why I like him. I'm not saying it's bad. Garrus doesn't want to burden people with problems they couldn't fix anyway. That's why I think he keeps it to himself.

It's probably more that he's a better turian than he gives himself credit for.  Turians are, on the whole, very unselfish if you read their info.  They look out for the good of all rather than the good of the individual.  If that means not telling a friend what's wrong, then they'll keep their mouths shut.  This might be Garrus's way of keeping Shepard from going off on a hundred side missions.  What we don't know is if he has told someone else these problems.  Kelly is the psychologist on board; it would make sense that she might have regular sessions with the crew, including Garrus.  That may be why she wants to hold him!  And that's a disturbing mental image...

Edited to correct spelling of "psychologist."

Modifié par Brass_Buckles, 08 octobre 2010 - 01:01 .

[Brass_Buckles]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I've always said that Garrus is actually a very good turian. He's just a really lousy C-Sec turian. And I don't think he would go in for sessions with Kelly. I just think she's observant because she's trained to be and she keeps her eyes open. I think she even says something like it's better for her to pursue her role "unofficially" or something like that.

Well, Shepard does have the option of accusing her of spying on her... It's entirely possible that her true purpose aboard the ship is intelligence.  In that case, while she may be a psychologist, I wouldn't be surprised if she knew more about the crew than Shepard does.  Do you really think TIM would send Shepard off without a spy someplace?

So Kelly may know what's going on in Garrus's personal life; whether she feels compassion for him or not is irrelevant.

That said, I think he will open up more in ME3 if romanced in ME2.  Speaking of which, I still wonder if Bioware will ever release a romance DLC.  It would almost have to be per character, or else involve a side mission on some resort planet or something that could serve as a "date" afterward for the couple... Hm.  Well, I haven't heard anything more about it, but eventually I'll have another Shep who wants to take Garrus someplace nice for once.

[aznsoisauce]

Kelly: Thank you for coming in, Garrus. I'm glad you finally decided to slip some time with me into your busy schedule. Let's get started, shall we?

Garrus: Yeah. Sorry about missing the past four sessions.

K: Five.

G: ...

K: ...right, so...How are things? Have your calibrations been going smoothly?

G: Yes, ma'am.

K: That's good.

G: *cough*

K: ...so...

G: I think we're done here, Ms. Chambers.

[jtav]

I think I'm going to celebrate my newfound fondness for Garrus by redoing the romance. I also have vague ideas for genfic.

[Brass_Buckles]

He might tell us more if he's on our squads. Otherwise we'll have to content ourselves with a cameo or two. With my current Shepard, unless something drastic changes, I'm afraid he's friend-zoned.

[Mr Heatsink]

Well to be truthful, if garrus died in ME2 then he won't be in ME3. Also i believe Bioware won't just write him out as He and Tali are the most popular characters next to Shepard. As he is an LI he needs to be in the squad so then the romance can be expanded on. It'll lose some something is he's only in an NPC role. Plus Turian/human relations being what they are it'll be interesting from a story point of view.