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[Kim Shepard]

It depends on what each Shepard considers a betrayal. A lot of my Shepards think of Kaidan/Ashley as betraying them after Horizon. But betrayed in the way Garrus was? No, at least not in-game. It's kind of funny that what happened with Garrus on Omega is similar to what I planned out for one of my Shepard's backgrounds, like he "learned from the best" but still had to learn it the hard way too. That Shepard would do just what you said, give Garrus silent support - let Garrus know that he's there if he ever wants to talk, but not try to force the talks.

People trying to blame Shepard for dying is hilarious. xD It must be frustrating for Shepard though. (And why does Shepard never blame Joker?)

[fallele]

socking Conrad one, hell yeah! i remember debating on whether to shoot him or not...i settled for punching him. and i have sympathy for his wife...but poking through crates and talking to people. i wonder if that'll have a repercussion on Shepard though. people usually take the N symbol to say that the person is a man of action.



As for Joker...well Shepard knows that the jokes are just his ways of letting off tension, since he can't punch somebody.



Finch and Curt Weisman for Earthborn Shepard could be considered a betrayl of trust since they were in the same gang together and they turned the gang into something like Terra Firma but more violent after Shepard left, and even try blackmailing him/her. I'm wondering if there's something in Shepard's past that hasn't been explained yet that gives the idea that he/she doesn't trust people easily.

[Kim Shepard]

Every Shepard is different. Some Earthborns would definitely consider what Finch did as a betrayal, but others can help him get the guy out of jail and have anti-alien opinions. Shepard's level of trust is different too - for example, Shepard saying that Wrex won't be a problem on Virmire, telling Ashley to be ready just in case, or shooting him. Another example, trusting that random merc Elnora or just killing her (and as it turns out, she really was guilty). If our Shepards don't trust easily, it's because we make them that way. And I tend to make Shepards like that too.

But even if Shepard can't understand the betrayal that Garrus went through, I think it's safe to say that they can all understand the loss of teammates - every Shepard, at least by the time of Virmire, has lost at least one teammate without a doubt. If they feel bad about it or not, that's their choice. Either way, it would be a great conversation to have with Garrus. Even my EvilShep questions his decisions, what went wrong, if he unintentionally loses a teammate. The fact that he doesn't like them has nothing to do with it. If something that he didn't plan on happens, he does have some doubts and wonder what he could have done differently. That's enough to understand Garrus' doubts about his leadership abilities, even though it's not the same.

Modifié par Kim Shepard, 11 octobre 2010 - 08:32 .

[fallele]

the betrayl if anything...made Garrus grow a little bit less naive, if i have the right word, about the galaxy. He speaks about things being easier to see in black and white, that may be true but what about different shades of people. Sidonis, Garrus viewed as being black, but theres two sides to every story. Sidonis was just a weak man trying to do the right thing, given the chance (if they were in the same position as Sidonis) how many of the group would have betrayed each other.



I think Sidonis was trying to alleviate at least some guilt by sending Garrus out to the fake rendevous point. In a way he saved his life, and it took a while for Garrus to piece it together. Sure it was a pretty nasty betrayl however at least Sidonis feels guilt over what he caused. Now if he had been able to walk away without a backward glance and a smile on his face, that would be a true betrayl.

[Kim Shepard]

I think Garrus definitely won't be as quick to trust or make friends in the future. He probably feels like "I trusted someone, and look what happened." At least he's with Shepard now, someone he knows it's okay to trust. Now that I think about it even more, the Shadow Broker was completely wrong about Garrus not reaching his full potential with Shepard. It's just the opposite. In ME1, he learned from Shepard, and in ME2, Shepard helps him through a hard time. If Garrus leads the teams in the suicide mission, that can even be Shepard's way of showing Garrus that he is a good leader.

As for Sidonis... I've said several times that my Shepards choose the Renegade decision and are pro-revenge. The way they, even EvilShep, would see it is that Sidonis almost got a valuable member of their team killed. At least one of my Shepards would look at the situation with an "if you can't handle what might happen, then don't join the team" attitude. He's the type that just wouldn't break. He'd die before telling the enemy anything, and knows that just because you tell them doesn't mean they won't kill your family anyway. So basically, he thinks that Sidonis never should have joined Garrus' team in the first place if he can't do that. He doesn't care about Sidonis' reasons, he cares about what happened to Garrus because of it.

I agree that it's nice to know Sidonis didn't just betray Garrus because he felt like it, or because he planned it. I like the "no more nightmares" conversation Garrus has if he listens to Sidonis and then kills him. Sidonis is one of the few turians I don't like though. No doubt, almost getting one of my favorite characters killed, getting his team killed, and giving him nightmares had something to do with that - no matter how awesome Garrus' missions and character development were because of it. xD

[fallele]

funny how you read my mind with that (shadow broker). I was just looking through the information about the dossiers and what he had on Cerberus and i think i can make a couple of predictions about ME3 by that. I think that Shepard's going to get arrested by the Citadel to answer for what happened with Cerberus and that the team's going to have to rescue him/her. i'm wondering if it'll be like DA:O's because if we don't get control of a character then its going to be funny to see various people think up excuses as to why they're there. And judging by how much C-Sec has changed as to how they're treating prisoners then its a little obvious what'll happen. then i'm guessing that they'll go on the run throughout the galaxy and have to worry about Citadel forces not just the reapers.

It sounds a little bit too similar to DA:O so i'm in a way hoping that i'm wrong.



I didn't know the visor on garrus could be used as a music player, could be the reason why he plays flux music during the romance scene to shepard. he likes dance music, i'd never have guessed.

[Kim Shepard]

I've actually seen that "Shepard arrested by the Council and the team helps with an escape" idea on the forums before, so you're definitely not the only person who wants it to happen. I'd like to see it too. I'm not sure how they could catch Shepard exactly, but I'm sure they'd come up with something. The real reason - I just like watching movies with prison breaks, and Mass Effect plays like an interactive movie, so controlling my favorite playable character through something similar sounds like a fun idea. (It would be hilarious to see my Earthborn Ruthless escape on his own and find his team planning to break him out. But that kind of variation might be too much to ask.) Garrus could lead one of the fireteams, for sure.

It's kind of funny that Garrus listens to upbeat techno dance tunes while he's shooting mercs. My Shepards' choices of music are probably more fitting, but I wonder how the team would react if one of them started quietly singing along to lyrics like "let the bodies hit the floor" or "getting away with murder." xD I'd like to hear the turian anthem though. Garrus is a much better turian than he thinks, being inspired to fight harder by their anthem like that.

[fallele]

XD i think i'm going to be giggling my way through tomorrow, i already have sore stomach muscles from earlier. I was listening to a remix version Chica Bomb and for some reason i can totally imagine Garrus' voice doing the male bit. ahhh i'm crazy. then again i'd probably ask if the music was any good and request a copy.



I think at one point they'll reuse the calling the Normandy in again to speak with the council one on one. but thanks to the files Shepard has an idea on what'll happen and pre-records a message to be played immediatly after she leaves to give the team time to escape. or something like that, if they go ahead with it.

[Kim Shepard]

Garrus singing quietly or humming to the songs would be adorable. And I like that idea for how the Council would capture Shepard. I imagine ME3 will have a few things in common with DAO already, like building an army. The ideas aren't overdone as long as they do it differently each time.

[lovgreno]

Shepard arrested by the Council but then Garrus and some other old squadmates proves his/her innocence is what I would like to see. But I realise that Garrus will probably not get any major role in ME3 as he was killable in ME2.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Garrus singing quietly or humming to the songs would be adorable. And I like that idea for how the Council would capture Shepard. I imagine ME3 will have a few things in common with DAO already, like building an army. The ideas aren't overdone as long as they do it differently each time.

Maybe it's just me, but somehow I don't think building an army is going to cut it.  That Reaper fleet was huge.  It took the Alliance Fifth Fleet and (what was left of) the Citadel Fleet to take out Sovereign, and Sovereign wasn't even trying to kill them all.  I think we need some clever 11th hour Deux Ex Machina to get Shep out of this mess.

[Twilight_Princess]

I really think there’s something "bigger" than the reapers, that they are pawns for a greater purpose. Ever watch tenchi muyo? In the series, the Gods tried to create something that could surpass them because they wanted to see if it "could" be achieved. They, very much like humans, were not satisfied that they were the limit and wanted to see if they could make a being greater than themselves. It's a cool concept but it makes you wonder how on earth shepard can fight such a force. There are theories that the citadel will be used a weapon of some kind, shepard taking control of a powerful reaper somehow, her taking them down independence day style with a convenient virus, her getting in contact with this “higher being” that set the cycle in place. It’s very fun to speculate.

[lovgreno]

As interesting as this is perhaps we should get back to Garrus? We don't want the thread to derail right?

[Jackalope]

Kim Shepard wrote...

I've actually seen that "Shepard arrested by the Council and the team helps with an escape" idea on the forums before, so you're definitely not the only person who wants it to happen. I'd like to see it too. I'm not sure how they could catch Shepard exactly, but I'm sure they'd come up with something. The real reason - I just like watching movies with prison breaks, and Mass Effect plays like an interactive movie, so controlling my favorite playable character through something similar sounds like a fun idea. (It would be hilarious to see my Earthborn Ruthless escape on his own and find his team planning to break him out. But that kind of variation might be too much to ask.) Garrus could lead one of the fireteams, for sure.

You know...KOTOR has a prison escape scene...Dragon Age has a prison escape scene...

...oh yeah, epic breakout is due in ME3!

[Twilight_Princess]

lovgreno wrote...

As interesting as this is perhaps we should get back to Garrus? We don't want the thread to derail right?

Of course. Isn't garrus the BEST squaddie to bring with you on missions? I'll give bioware credit , what he lacks in conversation on the normandy he makes up for in battle. He actually talks TOO shepard and she talks back, I'm playing the Thane mission now and I laughed when he suggested we get some cover, what made it better was shep saying "I was just thinking that too garrus" so cute.

[TheSweetGirl]

^ I love that.



Garrus is cool and if there is a prison scene, I would love to see Tali, Garrus, and maybe one other come to her break her out

[General Ashous]

Prison scene? Count me in! I'd love that. Shep, Garrus and another squad mate breaking out. I'd love to do that with Tali or Thane, that would be comedy gold. Shepard: Hey Tali! How's the door coming along?

Tali: Just a minute.

Garrus: She said that ten minutes ago.

Tali: I heard that!

Garrus: Sorry. We'll just do what we do best. You hack the door and I'll... (shoots prison guard) shoot guys.

[Kim Shepard]

I didn't know there was a prison break in KOTOR too. That's awesome. I hope that means we'll get one in ME3. It would be awesome to see the squadmates' skills put to use like in the suicide mission, with Garrus leading one of the teams. I wonder if that means some things could go wrong and become harder for Shepard in the escape if too many squadmates are dead - for example, not having Garrus, Miranda, or Jacob alive to lead a team. Having more trouble hacking out of the cell if there's no Tali, Legion, or Kasumi to help. Fighting more enemies who can shoot Shepard from above if there are no snipers. I'd like to see that, but it might be too much to ask.

I think the epic Reaper defeat will involve dark energy and thannix cannons. Like I said in Clan V, leave it to the turians to invent a weapon that can kill Reapers. xD

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

I'm playing the Thane mission now and I laughed when he suggested we get some cover, what made it better was shep saying "I was just thinking that too garrus" so cute.

It's great when the squadmates have personalized lines like that. I've never heard that one though. Does it only happen if Shepard is staying out of cover too long?

[Twilight_Princess]

Also if you don't paragon interrupt for that injured salerian in the beginning of Thane's recruitment, you can help him another way. If you calm him down garrus will say "ever thought about being a medic?" or something like that.

[Evelinessa]

I would love a prison break scene!



I just checked my poll and Garrus is winning by ALOT!



1st is Garrus with 58 votes



2nd is Liara with 15 votes



3rd is Tali with 13 votes



4th is Legion with 10 votes



Then the rest are all lower scores.



Would you guys still buy ME3 if it didn't have Garrus or any other of your favorite characters or if they were reduced to cameos? I wouldn't want to buy it but I probably still would just so I can complete the trilogy.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Evelinessa wrote...

Would you guys still buy ME3 if it didn't have Garrus or any other of your favorite characters or if they were reduced to cameos? I wouldn't want to buy it but I probably still would just so I can complete the trilogy.

I highly doubt BioWare would do completely cut out any of the major characters.  As for cameos, it depends.  I was fine with Wrex's cameo in ME2, because he had a FREAKING BADASS cameo.  I'm ok with cameos if they're meaningful, badass, and count for more than a set of ill-founded recriminations on Horizon.  *still kinda pissed at Ash*

Honestly, there are some characters who I think would go on with their normal lives post-ME2 and have badass cameos.  Samara, Legion, Zaeed, Mordin, and Thane come to mind, if they survive.  Other characters (usually younger characters with more of a mentor/mentee relationship with Shep) like Tali, Grunt, and Garrus might well stick around.

[Jackalope]

The best part about a prison scene is that if it's anything like Dragon Age, Shepard could be stuck in a cell with a shirtless Garrus.



Just a thought.

[Kim Shepard]

We all seem to agree on "prison break for ME3, please, BioWare." xD No matter how interesting "shirtless turian for science" would be though, I'd want Garrus leading a break-out team. How awesome would it be to have the doors to Shepard's cell open and the first thing we see is Tali working on the hacking, and Garrus holding off a bunch of guards with his rifle? My Earthborn Ruthless Shepard is already proud of Garrus in ME2. If Garrus breaks him out of prison in ME3... that's another thing that he learned from the best.

To answer Evelinessa's question, I'm reposting my answer a few pages back:

If Garrus wasn't in ME3, I'd still buy it. I mean, it's the last of the trilogy and now that I've played BioWare games, no other games can compare. And I'm so used to my favorite characters getting killed off by now - I don't like it, but I honestly can't say I'm surprised anymore. I have to watch my favorite (Saren) die with every ME1 playthrough, and if it's the same with any other favorites (TIM, Kai Leng, or less likely - Garrus) then I'll just play through the sad scene like Saren's suicide, not wanting to watch it but enjoying watching the character up until that point.

It's more of a response to Garrus dying in ME3, I guess, but it's the same basic idea. If I'd still buy ME3 knowing Garrus would die, of course I'd still buy it if he was a cameo. I wouldn't like it, but I'd still want to play the game.

[kglaser]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

Ever watch tenchi muyo?

Is that the one with the space pirate chick with the tail and there were like 6 girls fighting over that Tenchi guy?  My friend and I used to watch that...guess I missed the important stuff though; all that stuck were those things and the cute little fuzzy thing (ryoki? something like that? curse my memory)

On-topic:  I am all for hearing Garrus sing or hum something, definitely one of the songs mentioned in the Dossier.  BK singing voice is something I would LOVE to hear.

[Twilight_Princess]

kglaser wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

Ever watch tenchi muyo?

Is that the one with the space pirate chick with the tail and there were like 6 girls fighting over that Tenchi guy?  My friend and I used to watch that...guess I missed the important stuff though; all that stuck were those things and the cute little fuzzy thing (ryoki? something like that? curse my memory)

On-topic:  I am all for hearing Garrus sing or hum something, definitely one of the songs mentioned in the Dossier.  BK singing voice is something I would LOVE to hear.

Yup that's the one, they had multiple series , the one I'm talking about was the continuation of tenchi universe. I loved ryoko, I wish Mass effect had a fun space pirate like her in it.