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[Sable Rhapsody]

Yeled wrote...

@ Hazzel: Thanks!

Though I wish you actually could ****** him off and have him remain unloyal.

You know, I wish there were opportunities to do that with all the squaddies--either lose their loyalty or fail their loyalty mission.  I the PLAYER might know the correct response for everything, but Shepard the character might not be all that great at, say, seduction.  Or navigating catwalks.  Or whatever.  There's a couple of loyalty missions that you can only really fail if you've got the idiot ball strapped to Shep's gonads, but still.  The option would be nice.

[Kim Shepard]

I like that Garrus is always loyal no matter what. It says a lot about his character and his trust in Shepard. Now, if someone tried to stop my Shepards from getting their revenge, they would be angry. Like I've said before, it's a good thing Garrus isn't like that, because some of them wouldn't hesitate to shoot through a teammate to get their revenge. And for that reason, I really hope Garrus will never try that on Shepard. It would be out-of-character for him after being surrounded by my Renegades anyway. I can't imagine what a Renegade interrupt of a Shepard who's about to do something Renegade would look like...

But if a squadmate I don't care for as much tries something like that, it would be a good chance to show how vengeful some of my Shepards really are. xD I don't think it makes much sense for anyone though. They pretty much let Shepard do what he/she wants despite their personal opinions. There haven't been any Dragon Age "this squadmate will atack if you choose this option" in Mass Effect.

[Nilfalasiel]

silentstephi wrote...

BAD GUY: SQUISHY SNIPER I WILL END YOU.

Garrus: *can of whup @ss*

BAD GUY: OW I AM DEAD.

 Win.

Kim Shepard wrote...

Wrex seems to like the crazy driving... and I remember one comment like "guess he had it coming" when the Mako accidentally ran over some wildlife.

That's actually Garrus, not Wrex. He'll say it if you either shoot or run over a monkey on Eletania. Wrex simply says "nice shot".

For Garrus' military training, I'd guess that snipers are just his favorite, so he chose to specialize in them. It works well with his tech abilities too. But he also has assault rifles for closer combat. (I get the idea that all turians train with assault rifles. That's only based on the fact that both Garrus and Saren use assault rifles, and I think the turians Kai fought in Retribution had them too.) Garrus is great at fighting hand-to-hand for sure, but maybe he just uses a different style on the battlefield. It's hard to say because Garrus fights differently in regular combat than he does in cutscenes. We all know that he uses the sniper in his recruitment and loyalty mission. The default in regular combat, however, seems to be assault rifles, only using cover sometimes, and running in front of my Shepard because she's a Sentinel acting like she's a Vanguard. (He did this several times lately. It's adorable.)

Yeah, for some reason, I get the impression that the turian military isn't too fond of shotguns. Have we ever seen a turian with a shotgun?

Concerning loyalty, I think it's wholly in character for Garrus that you can't lose his loyalty, no matter what. At least, as of ME2. In ME3, I think there should be a point where he draws the line, if Shepard does something completely inconsistent with her overall morality, be it Paragon or Renegade.

And while you don't have anything as dramatic as squaddies leaving you or having to fight them in ME2, you can still lose loyalty with people (Jack, Miranda, Tali, Legion), or simply not gain it. I don't think that's problematic. And there's also a reason that Paragon'ing Zaeed's LM has a high Persuasion score. It's not meant to be easy.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 13 octobre 2010 - 08:58 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Idiot me pressed "quote" instead of "edit."  Have some Garrus instead:

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 13 octobre 2010 - 08:56 .

[SurelyForth]

As a rabid DAO fangirl, can I just say that Garrus might be my favorite video game companion ever? I've just encountered him in ME2 (I finished ME at 11:00 pm and threw ME2 into the 360 so fast I almost got my finger caught) and I was dying for a "You are a glorious badass and you will never leave my side as long as I can help it" dialogue option.

He was my FemShep's right hand all through ME and I was beside myself when I realized that the LI's were limited to Kaidan and Liara. I ended up going with Liara (on accident), and was kind of considering staying faithful until, well, the moment he shows up in ME2. Then the sight of him and my Shepard fighting together again seemed like the most natural thing in the world and, with the whole Turian Batman thing and that voic, he won me over within two minutes.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 13 octobre 2010 - 08:57 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Kim Shepard wrote...

But if a squadmate I don't care for as much tries something like that, it would be a good chance to show how vengeful some of my Shepards really are. xD I don't think it makes much sense for anyone though. They pretty much let Shepard do what he/she wants despite their personal opinions. There haven't been any Dragon Age "this squadmate will atack if you choose this option" in Mass Effect.

See, that was what I loved about Dragon Age.  Every party member had a berzerk button, something they cared so deeply about and was so intrinsic to their character that if you violated it, that was the end of the line.  They'd fight, leave, yell--it felt a lot less like the typical PC who just rollerstomps over all of his/her companions.  Granted, Shep is a lot more rollerstompy than the Warden, but it is sort of weird when dopey, adorkable Alistair is willing to put his foot down and JUST SAY NO, and none of the badass companions in ME2 do so.

And it's not as though the stakes are any higher either as far as the NPCs can tell--for the people in the DA universe, not stopping the Blight = destruction of known universe.  And they still stand up to you if you push them too far.  Yeah, you might be the PC, but if you're running around corrupting holy relics and murdering children and sodomizing puppies, someone's going to get pissed and try to stop you.

I liked that in Mass Effect 2 you could try and reason with squaddies who disagreed with you, but I'd also like the flip side, something that they care so much about that they'll stand up to even Shepard.  Obviously it makes less sense for ME3 with IMPENDING DOOM bearing down upon you all, but it would've been nice for ME2.

[Nilfalasiel]

SurelyForth wrote...

As a rabid DAO fangirl, can I just say that Garrus might be my favorite video game companion ever? I've just encountered him in ME2 (I finished ME at 11:00 pm and threw ME2 into the 360 so fast I almost got my finger caught) and I was dying for a "You are a glorious badass and you will never leave my side as long as I can help it" dialogue option.

He was my FemShep's right hand all through ME and I was beside myself when I realized that the LI's were limited to Kaidan and Liara. I ended up going with Liara (on accident), and was kind of considering staying faithful until, well, the moment he shows up in ME2. Then the sight of him and my Shepard fighting together again seemed like the most natural thing in the world and, with the whole Turian Batman thing and that voic, he won me over within two minutes.

 That's what we like to hear! Enjoy, he's got one of the best romances in ME2. Of course, we're a bit biased here, but hey, for a good reason! 

You'll get a bit of a pissy comment from Liara if you've got Lair of the Shadow Broker, but what's that when you've got Garrus?

[General Ashous]

Wow, I love the pic. Very dramatic and emotional, I would hate that to be me and someone else. I don't know about a Garrus romance, as I've said before, I have never had a femshep and so don't know but as a bromance, Garrus is one of the best out there. He seems to care about Shepard because they are good mates and they watch each other's backs to see that the other comes out alive. And in ME3 it'll be, as Garrus says, "Just like old times." I hope.

[aznsoisauce]

If you take the renegade route with Saleon but then take the paragon route with Sidonis, is it really backpedaling or contradictory? They're two different situations.

On the other hand...if you go paragon with Saleon and then renegade with Sidonis? That's confusing. 

[kglaser]

fallele wrote...

XD, oww just hit my head. Garrus looked damn close to it if you took him with you for the Citadel battle and chose him first..or was it second...i can never remember.

Ahhh turian voices, they'd damn fine telemarketers XD

I'd buy anything they were hocking.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I don't think I like the idea of Garrus actually turning on Shepard. That whole party in DAO isn't a formal affair. There's even a point where you can confront Alistair and say "what if I order you to do it?" and Alistair scoffs and says "What, are you my commanding officer?" Well, Shep actually is a commanding officer for many of the squaddies. Following her isn't just a matter of coming along for the ride. For some of them, it's their job and they are being paid to do it. Plus Shep can't really swing to the moral extremes that the Warden can. The Warden can do some downright vindictive, nasty things for no other reason except they feel like it. Shep can on occasion but it's usually rare and somewhat minor. Mostly Shep can come up with some kind of practical, external reason to justify most of the stuff she does.

I do very much like Garrus having a "this is what I'm gonna do Shepard" moment sort of like Liara. Liara becomes the Shadow Broker. Period. Shep has no say in that. And Garrus kinda does have a moment where he stands up to you when he says "I appreciate your concern, but I'm not you." and "What do you want from me, Shepard?" That's pretty stiff stuff coming from Garrus. I would like an option of being able to ask Garrus for advice instead of the other way around in ME3. Something optinoal so it isn't pushed on players who don't want it.

I agree that your party in DA:O is more motley and you're only informally in charge.  But your party in ME2 is far, far more badass.  They might be professionals, and you might be their commanding officer, but Garrus himself says he doesn't make a very good turian.   Miranda, Samara, Thane, and Mordin are all used to being told go without specific orders.  Maybe they wouldn't turn on you like the DA characters do, but they could at least call Shepard out more.  Or go the middle ground and simply refuse an order without actually turning on you.  Zev can do this when you fight Taliesin--he won't turn on you, but neither will he engage an old friend.

Also, I know the game can't account for this, but Garrus had to know that my Shep wasn't just going to keep mum on his sidequest.  I'd like to see it done kind of like if you bring Legion to the Fleet.  If you bring certain characters on certain sidequests, you can bet your sorry arse they'll have something to say about it, and something strong.

[kglaser]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...
I seriously want to see a role reversal in the relationship. Can you imagine, you're about to shoot someone and you suddenly see a paragon interrupt ,  you click it but then find out it's not yours? That's because it's Garrus's, depending how you influence him it'll be a paragon or renegade interrupt. He'll intervene and Shepard will have a "WTF?!" look on her face because no one has done this to her before. If she gets angry about it afterwards Garrus can calmly say that "You taught me better than that shepard , I just wanted to stop you making a mistake"

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[fallele]

http://browse.devian... comic#/d2umoxu

hopefully link goes in okay, just a refference to the whole Highway to Hell thing.  or at least Garrus' terms of hell XD

Modifié par fallele, 14 octobre 2010 - 02:01 .

[Twilight_Princess]

kglaser wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...
I seriously want to see a role reversal in the relationship. Can you imagine, you're about to shoot someone and you suddenly see a paragon interrupt ,  you click it but then find out it's not yours? That's because it's Garrus's, depending how you influence him it'll be a paragon or renegade interrupt. He'll intervene and Shepard will have a "WTF?!" look on her face because no one has done this to her before. If she gets angry about it afterwards Garrus can calmly say that "You taught me better than that shepard , I just wanted to stop you making a mistake"

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It doesn't even have to be Garrus that does it, I would just find it funny if Shepard got interupted, it would be another way to poke fun at her.

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 14 octobre 2010 - 07:44 .

[fallele]

Yay for dragging Shepard out of their comfort zone!!! first jokes, second is formal wear...wonder if we'll hear Shepard sing at some point.



I'm still playing catch up from the original thread....i have sudden cravings for cupcakes and alcohol...hmmm

[TheodoricFriede]

kglaser wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...
I seriously want to see a role reversal in the relationship. Can you imagine, you're about to shoot someone and you suddenly see a paragon interrupt ,  you click it but then find out it's not yours? That's because it's Garrus's, depending how you influence him it'll be a paragon or renegade interrupt. He'll intervene and Shepard will have a "WTF?!" look on her face because no one has done this to her before. If she gets angry about it afterwards Garrus can calmly say that "You taught me better than that shepard , I just wanted to stop you making a mistake"

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That would be so awesome.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

kglaser wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...
I seriously want to see a role reversal in the relationship. Can you imagine, you're about to shoot someone and you suddenly see a paragon interrupt ,  you click it but then find out it's not yours? That's because it's Garrus's, depending how you influence him it'll be a paragon or renegade interrupt. He'll intervene and Shepard will have a "WTF?!" look on her face because no one has done this to her before. If she gets angry about it afterwards Garrus can calmly say that "You taught me better than that shepard , I just wanted to stop you making a mistake"

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It doesn't even have to be Garrus that does it, I would just find it funny if Shepard got interupted, it would be a fun way to poke fun at her.

MrBlazenGlazen approves +10

[Kim Shepard]

Actually, I read that DA2 will have a similar option at times - one that makes a squadmate react. It sounds cool for DA, but not so much for Mass Effect. Only controlling Shepard makes more sense to me because the trilogy is Shepard's story, while DA is more a story of the world with many different characters involved. If it was something as simple the sort of Renegade interrupts that let Shepard get rid of some enemies on the battlefield with epic cutscene power, that would be cool, but I think it would be even better if they just did that on their own without the interrupt system. If they want to interrupt, they should do it on their own, and only if it's in-character. It would take something really big for Garrus to object. On the other hand, I thought it would have made sense for Jack to object to Shepard giving TIM the base. Samara has to go along with it because of the code, but will try to kill Shepard later if he makes her break the code. Stuff like that.

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

Wrex seems to like the crazy driving... and I remember one comment like "guess he had it coming" when the Mako accidentally ran over some wildlife.

That's actually Garrus, not Wrex. He'll say it if you either shoot or run over a monkey on Eletania. Wrex simply says "nice shot".

Awesome. It's been a while since I've heard that quote (got better at not driving the Mako into living things), so I wasn't completely sure. That's just like Garrus to think Shepard has a good reason for everything, even running over the wildlife.

Yeah, for some reason, I get the impression that the turian military isn't too fond of shotguns. Have we ever seen a turian with a shotgun?

Not that I know of. I haven't actually seen the weapons that turian mercs use in-game, but I think we can assume that because they don't get close to Shepard on their own, they're not fighting with shotguns. Same with the turians in Retribution, since their guns were awkward against Kai in close combat and shotguns would be perfect for that. I guess it fits in with that team "stay in formation" strategy they normally have. If a few turians fought in close combat with the enemy while others stayed back, it would be hard for their team to shoot around them. Maybe they're more common in small specialized teams, or for Spectres if they choose. I actually don't remember if Saren had a shotgun or not... that's clearly a sign that I need to re-read the scene in Revelation where he attacks the factory. xD The assault rifle is the only one that stands out (because it was brought up in conversation).

SurelyForth wrote...

"You are a glorious badass and you will never leave my side as long as I can help it" dialogue option.

It would have been cool if Shepard had the option to say "Garrus, you glorious badass" when they met up again on Omega. xD

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

And Garrus kinda does have a moment where he stands up to you when he says "I appreciate your concern, but I'm not you." and "What do you want from me, Shepard?"

Are those lines from the Paragon path? I don't remember them.

[aznsoisauce]

fallele wrote...

http://browse.devian... comic#/d2umoxu

hopefully link goes in okay, just a refference to the whole Highway to Hell thing.  or at least Garrus' terms of hell XD

Ahahahaha Garrus' face at the end 

[Kim Shepard]

Can someone post the image here so I can see it? Can't look at deviantart because it always tries to give my computer a virus...

[fallele]

heck i think thats what most faces would look like if they rode in a mako with me driving, what with the driving off cliffs, accidental drowning, random flipping XD.

Okay just to be fair since i think i have it figured out how to post pictures...i think.

Modifié par fallele, 14 octobre 2010 - 08:41 .

[Kim Shepard]

That was awesome. xD Poor Garrus. Pallin just got back at him for quitting C-Sec. And it's just like Wrex to enjoy the ride.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

And Garrus kinda does have a moment where he stands up to you when he says "I appreciate your concern, but I'm not you." and "What do you want from me, Shepard?"

Are those lines from the Paragon path? I don't remember them.

Yeah, they are.  If you keep prodding him about Sidonis while you're in the shuttle.  It's actually pretty awesome for a FemShep, lots of UST when you've got your shipping goggles on.