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[Evelinessa]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Perfect, and thank you IndellibleJester, I now know how to post links as words.

You two should read my fanfiction. The Numerator did an excellent review of it in my Fan Fiction Question thread, just don't read it first or you'll get spoilers.

Garrus finally deals with his father and his self confidence issues as well as progressing the overall Fight the Reapers strategy. There are some excellent twists and some good action scenes.

Sorry, no romance, I play Maleshep and I don't ever plan on doing a romance. My Fan fiction Shepard is stoically single.

Ok, I'll make sure to read it . I just have to finish the one I'm reading now. I'll get a little bit confused if I read more then one at a time.

[IndelibleJester]

Evelinessa wrote...

IndelibleJester wrote...

You write what you want it to say, highlight it, and in the advanced editor click the link button and paste in the link.

I loved the Liara romance in ME1... when I got into ME2 and figured out I could romance Garrus, I was all over it... However, the last scene was like Bioware smashing my face into the desk to represent their giant facepalm towards my liking that romance. Put simply, it was a bit of a disappointment to me, but even still, I think those are the two best romances so far. If hers ends anything like Viconia's in ME3 (what with her being the new shadow broker), however, I think it will win over his... Allow me a 10 second head start to hide from everyone in this thread.

Wall of text....

Well I accidently read spoilers on the romance scene on Gamefaqs before I saw it and alot of people were complaining. So I was disapointed even before I saw it. But when I actually saw it myself I thought different. Well I was a little disappointed at first then I thought about it and now I feel that the scene is better because it's just the headbump. I think it's more romantic and touching then just flashes of different sex stuff. It may be because I think it's more meaningful. And it could also be that I just don't like seeing sex and stuff like in movies, tv, games.. and whatever.  They may put an actual sex scene in ME3 though since I think alot of people who romanced him are disappointed with the scene. That is if they actually have scenes for ME1/2 romances. They may just have scenes for the new romances.

I wouldn't want a sex scene like ME1/Miranda/Jacob, but something like Jack (the paragon one, I never got over that scene, it was gorgeous) or Tali's could've been done, with emphasis on the romance rather than the sex.

Let me clarify: Jack's facial expressions/Tali's voice was very, very passionate, and the way the scenes rolled out complimented it perfectly. The scenes just didn't compliment the passion in those last few lines Garrus had.

Modifié par IndelibleJester, 21 octobre 2010 - 09:06 .

[GuardianAngel470]

Evelinessa wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Perfect, and thank you IndellibleJester, I now know how to post links as words.

You two should read my fanfiction. The Numerator did an excellent review of it in my Fan Fiction Question thread, just don't read it first or you'll get spoilers.

Garrus finally deals with his father and his self confidence issues as well as progressing the overall Fight the Reapers strategy. There are some excellent twists and some good action scenes.

Sorry, no romance, I play Maleshep and I don't ever plan on doing a romance. My Fan fiction Shepard is stoically single.

Ok, I'll make sure to read it . I just have to finish the one I'm reading now. I'll get a little bit confused if I read more then one at a time.

Take your time, no pressure. 

*red button*

[GuardianAngel470]

IndelibleJester wrote...

Evelinessa wrote...

IndelibleJester wrote...

You write what you want it to say, highlight it, and in the advanced editor click the link button and paste in the link.

I loved the Liara romance in ME1... when I got into ME2 and figured out I could romance Garrus, I was all over it... However, the last scene was like Bioware smashing my face into the desk to represent their giant facepalm towards my liking that romance. Put simply, it was a bit of a disappointment to me, but even still, I think those are the two best romances so far. If hers ends anything like Viconia's in ME3 (what with her being the new shadow broker), however, I think it will win over his... Allow me a 10 second head start to hide from everyone in this thread.

Wall of text....

Well I accidently read spoilers on the romance scene on Gamefaqs before I saw it and alot of people were complaining. So I was disapointed even before I saw it. But when I actually saw it myself I thought different. Well I was a little disappointed at first then I thought about it and now I feel that the scene is better because it's just the headbump. I think it's more romantic and touching then just flashes of different sex stuff. It may be because I think it's more meaningful. And it could also be that I just don't like seeing sex and stuff like in movies, tv, games.. and whatever.  They may put an actual sex scene in ME3 though since I think alot of people who romanced him are disappointed with the scene. That is if they actually have scenes for ME1/2 romances. They may just have scenes for the new romances.

I wouldn't want a sex scene like ME1/Miranda/Jacob, but something like Jack (the paragon one, I never got over that scene, it was gorgeous) or Tali's could've been done, with emphasis on the romance rather than the sex.

Let me clarify: Jack's facial expressions/Tali's voice was very, very passionate, and the way the scenes rolled out complimented it perfectly. The scenes just didn't compliment the passion in those last few lines Garrus had.

Neither would I, especially if the actual romance is a shallow as the ME2 ones were.

By shallow I mean amount of content. The depth of dialog from which to base a relationship on was shallow, not the content itself.

I was disappointed with the Miranda romance as it was shallow of a different sort. Her build up was complex and rather deep but the scene itself was fairly base. I think the same goes for the Jacob scene, but it sounds like his leadup was shallow too.

I have a shallow vocabulary from which to draw from. It must be late.

[IndelibleJester]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

IndelibleJester wrote...

Evelinessa wrote...

IndelibleJester wrote...

You write what you want it to say, highlight it, and in the advanced editor click the link button and paste in the link.

I loved the Liara romance in ME1... when I got into ME2 and figured out I could romance Garrus, I was all over it... However, the last scene was like Bioware smashing my face into the desk to represent their giant facepalm towards my liking that romance. Put simply, it was a bit of a disappointment to me, but even still, I think those are the two best romances so far. If hers ends anything like Viconia's in ME3 (what with her being the new shadow broker), however, I think it will win over his... Allow me a 10 second head start to hide from everyone in this thread.

Wall of text....

Well I accidently read spoilers on the romance scene on Gamefaqs before I saw it and alot of people were complaining. So I was disapointed even before I saw it. But when I actually saw it myself I thought different. Well I was a little disappointed at first then I thought about it and now I feel that the scene is better because it's just the headbump. I think it's more romantic and touching then just flashes of different sex stuff. It may be because I think it's more meaningful. And it could also be that I just don't like seeing sex and stuff like in movies, tv, games.. and whatever.  They may put an actual sex scene in ME3 though since I think alot of people who romanced him are disappointed with the scene. That is if they actually have scenes for ME1/2 romances. They may just have scenes for the new romances.

I wouldn't want a sex scene like ME1/Miranda/Jacob, but something like Jack (the paragon one, I never got over that scene, it was gorgeous) or Tali's could've been done, with emphasis on the romance rather than the sex.

Let me clarify: Jack's facial expressions/Tali's voice was very, very passionate, and the way the scenes rolled out complimented it perfectly. The scenes just didn't compliment the passion in those last few lines Garrus had.

Neither would I, especially if the actual romance is a shallow as the ME2 ones were.

By shallow I mean amount of content. The depth of dialog from which to base a relationship on was shallow, not the content itself.

This depends on who you romanced. The Garrus/Tali ones makes sense to me, though I agree that there should've been more content. Those two relationships are impossible unless built on the grounds of friendship and trust laid down in the first Mass Effect, and then coupled with the events of the second game, they become very believable romances in my opinion, I don't feel it shallow. I expect to see both of those romances mature into "i love you"s in the third game, despite them being a bit centered around sex. The others, perhaps. For example, though the Thane romance is cute, it seems like a low blow (just to me, probably) from femShep, what with their romance being based on conversations about his dead wife and his long lost son and such.

Modifié par IndelibleJester, 21 octobre 2010 - 10:12 .

[Evelinessa]

IndelibleJester wrote...

I wouldn't want a sex scene like ME1/Miranda/Jacob, but something like Jack (the paragon one, I never got over that scene, it was gorgeous) or Tali's could've been done, with emphasis on the romance rather than the sex.

Let me clarify: Jack's facial expressions/Tali's voice was very, very passionate, and the way the scenes rolled out complimented it perfectly. The scenes just didn't compliment the passion in those last few lines Garrus had.

Well, I can't say too much about the other romances, I've only seen Garrus' one so far. I could just watch them on youtube but that would ruin alot of replay value for me. From what I gathered from reading different forums, the romances are kinda grouped together in a way.

Miranda/Jacob- sexy romance

Jack/Thane- emotional romance

Tali/Garrus- akward/cute/natural/trust based romance

Is that right? That's basically what I heard people group the romances as.

Yeah, I would want more from Garrus' scene in ME3. I just don't want alot of stripping or something. It seems out of character for that kind of romance. I definitely want an "I love you" though!

Modifié par Evelinessa, 21 octobre 2010 - 03:04 .

[GuardianAngel470]

Evelinessa wrote...

IndelibleJester wrote...

I wouldn't want a sex scene like ME1/Miranda/Jacob, but something like Jack (the paragon one, I never got over that scene, it was gorgeous) or Tali's could've been done, with emphasis on the romance rather than the sex.

Let me clarify: Jack's facial expressions/Tali's voice was very, very passionate, and the way the scenes rolled out complimented it perfectly. The scenes just didn't compliment the passion in those last few lines Garrus had.

Well, I can't say too much about the other romances, I've only seen Garrus' one so far. I could just watch them on youtube but that would ruin alot of replay value for me. From what I gathered from reading different forums, the romances are kinda grouped together in a way.

Miranda/Jacob- sexy romance

Jack/Thane- emotional romance

Tali/Garrus- akward/cute/natural/trust based romance

Is that right? That's basically what I heard people group the romances as.

Yeah, I would want more from Garrus' scene in ME3. I just don't wan't alot of stripping or something. It seems out of character for that kind of romance. I definitely want an "I love you" though!

Final cutscene showing you and your chosen LI hiding behind cover with shots going over your heads.

Femshep:"I love you."

Garrus:"I know."

Followed by a synced stand from cover to take out the baddies and save the day.

[Evelinessa]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Evelinessa wrote...

IndelibleJester wrote...

I wouldn't want a sex scene like ME1/Miranda/Jacob, but something like Jack (the paragon one, I never got over that scene, it was gorgeous) or Tali's could've been done, with emphasis on the romance rather than the sex.

Let me clarify: Jack's facial expressions/Tali's voice was very, very passionate, and the way the scenes rolled out complimented it perfectly. The scenes just didn't compliment the passion in those last few lines Garrus had.

Well, I can't say too much about the other romances, I've only seen Garrus' one so far. I could just watch them on youtube but that would ruin alot of replay value for me. From what I gathered from reading different forums, the romances are kinda grouped together in a way.

Miranda/Jacob- sexy romance

Jack/Thane- emotional romance

Tali/Garrus- akward/cute/natural/trust based romance

Is that right? That's basically what I heard people group the romances as.

Yeah, I would want more from Garrus' scene in ME3. I just don't wan't alot of stripping or something. It seems out of character for that kind of romance. I definitely want an "I love you" though!

Final cutscene showing you and your chosen LI hiding behind cover with shots going over your heads.

Femshep:"I love you."

Garrus:"I know."

Followed by a synced stand from cover to take out the baddies and save the day.

That would be great. I also want to go to Palavan and cure Garrus' mother and meet his father. That could be his mission. I would also like at the end he becomes a spectre or something. I just want closure. I think all the romances should have great conclusions so everyones happy. And I think they should make the LIs matter more. Like in Dragon Age, People commented on who you romanced and what they thought of it.

[GuardianAngel470]

Evelinessa wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Evelinessa wrote...

IndelibleJester wrote...

I wouldn't want a sex scene like ME1/Miranda/Jacob, but something like Jack (the paragon one, I never got over that scene, it was gorgeous) or Tali's could've been done, with emphasis on the romance rather than the sex.

Let me clarify: Jack's facial expressions/Tali's voice was very, very passionate, and the way the scenes rolled out complimented it perfectly. The scenes just didn't compliment the passion in those last few lines Garrus had.

Well, I can't say too much about the other romances, I've only seen Garrus' one so far. I could just watch them on youtube but that would ruin alot of replay value for me. From what I gathered from reading different forums, the romances are kinda grouped together in a way.

Miranda/Jacob- sexy romance

Jack/Thane- emotional romance

Tali/Garrus- akward/cute/natural/trust based romance

Is that right? That's basically what I heard people group the romances as.

Yeah, I would want more from Garrus' scene in ME3. I just don't wan't alot of stripping or something. It seems out of character for that kind of romance. I definitely want an "I love you" though!

Final cutscene showing you and your chosen LI hiding behind cover with shots going over your heads.

Femshep:"I love you."

Garrus:"I know."

Followed by a synced stand from cover to take out the baddies and save the day.

That would be great. I also want to go to Palavan and cure Garrus' mother and meet his father. That could be his mission. I would also like at the end he becomes a spectre or something. I just want closure. I think all the romances should have great conclusions so everyones happy. And I think they should make the LIs matter more. Like in Dragon Age, People commented on who you romanced and what they thought of it.

Wasn't DA in development since 2004?

[Evelinessa]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Wasn't DA in development since 2004?

Yeah, I think so. But I think they would be able to add that to ME3 since alot of people want it and it wouldn't be that hard just an extra couple lines or so.
 
The romances need to be longer and in general all dialogue needs to be longer. Garrus is stuck with only 3 conversations if not romanced and 5 if he is. And his conversations arn't very long just like in ME1. His last conversation isn't really anything though just a few lines of dialogue and you can choose to end or continue the relationship.

I don't know how long the other romances are, but I think they should go all out for ME3 since it will be the last game in the trilogy.

[GuardianAngel470]

Evelinessa wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Wasn't DA in development since 2004?

Yeah, I think so. But I think they would be able to add that to ME3 since alot of people want it and it wouldn't be that hard just an extra couple lines or so.
 
The romances need to be longer and in general all dialogue needs to be longer. Garrus is stuck with only 3 conversations if not romanced and 5 if he is. And his conversations arn't very long just like in ME1. His last conversation isn't really anything though just a few lines of dialogue and you can choose to end or continue the relationship.

I don't know how long the other romances are, but I think they should go all out for ME3 since it will be the last game in the trilogy.

I think you'd be surprised. They would need to do animations, convo cinematics, programming to say when those lines were appropriate, quest flags, and a whole host of other things I don't know about. 

But I agree. The romances are a big part of the series at this point, they can't go by the old standards of romance subplots anymore. People, (like me) play entirely different games just to have the different romances. Bioware can't really afford to shortchange on that aspect.

Then again, they also need to adequately resolve the Reaper plot, so I don't really know how they can balance the two.

[Sable Rhapsody]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

I think you'd be surprised. They would need to do animations, convo cinematics, programming to say when those lines were appropriate, quest flags, and a whole host of other things I don't know about. 

But I agree. The romances are a big part of the series at this point, they can't go by the old standards of romance subplots anymore. People, (like me) play entirely different games just to have the different romances. Bioware can't really afford to shortchange on that aspect.

Then again, they also need to adequately resolve the Reaper plot, so I don't really know how they can balance the two.

Actually, here's one area where I'd quibble with most people.  I very rarely replay games--the only time I've done so is to set up games for import, a second replay with the same character.  In fact, the only game where I've EVER replayed with different characters was Baldur's Gate, a testament to my epic love for that series.

I do think the romances are important, but I'd say they're very far down my priority list.  Personally, despite my love of Garrus and Alistair, my favorite interactions in DA and ME were with the non-romanceable companions.  Shale, Sten, Samara, Legion...  There are a lot of things in the game that are more important to me than romances--level design, combat balance, plot, sound design, overall companion depth, etc.

[kglaser]

IndelibleJester wrote...

I realized just how much I liked Garrus when I reloaded the save, started to romance Thane, and then romanced Garrus anyway.

I got to the part on my Thane playthrough where I got the chance to start the Garrus romance, but if you pick Thane you have to not initiate it.  I couldn't do it.  I tried, but it was depressing bypassing that conversation with Garrus, so I reloaded.
/disclaimer:  I have nothing at all against Thane.  Except that he's not Garrus.

[RiotLaFontaine]

I'm popping on by (I read these threads frequently, but never get much of a chance to respond these days - sadface!) in order to drop off my most recent sets of high-res turian/Garrus shots :3



http://www.mediafire...al2y7v66pq9ekle



These shots include a second run of Overlord, pics of FemShep and Garrus in the cabin, and Lair of the Shadow Broker.

[fallele]

I've been thinking...you know back in ME1 where Shepard did the Asari consort's mission and you spoke to the turian Septimus. Garrus says something along the lines of "This is pathetic, what could a woman do to put you in this state?"...does anyone think he understands the answer to his own question now?

I cried and died at the sheer adorableness of this

Modifié par fallele, 22 octobre 2010 - 09:37 .

[GuardianAngel470]

fallele wrote...

I've been thinking...you know back in ME1 where Shepard did the Asari consort's mission and you spoke to the turian Septimus. Garrus says something along the lines of "This is pathetic, what could a woman do to put you in this state?"...does anyone think he understands the answer to his own question now?

I cried and died at the sheer adorableness of this

I don't think I quite understand your question. Are you saying that after the romance, he would have a better understanding of the effects of love? Are you talking about only if you dump him in favor of another LI?

In either case, I don't think Garrus would be as petty as Septimus. Remember that the rejection caused him to both frequent a bar and get drunk as well as smear the Consort. He was also a general, so to Garrus the error is a like three fold.

The reaction to the rejection involving drinking, the reaction involving smearing, and the fact that he thinks a general should be above that sort of thing. Generals in turian society are well respected generally (pun totally intended) and it would be very dishonorable to do what septimus did over a woman.

[fallele]

mmm well it seemed to me that Garrus just saw Septimus moping in a bar (albeat a strip club), and couldn't for the life of him understand why a woman could make him that way. so yeah i think it would have been the better understanding of love

[GuardianAngel470]

fallele wrote...

mmm well it seemed to me that Garrus just saw Septimus moping in a bar (albeat a strip club), and couldn't for the life of him understand why a woman could make him that way. so yeah i think it would have been the better understanding of love

Possibly, but then again he would still probably be callous to Septimus, just a little less so. The importance of rank in the turian culture would still have him be upset that a general had stooped so low.

[fallele]

true, theres nothing really worse than to see a superior officer drowning their sorrows in drink in a moment of self pity. a drunk Shepard under more happier circumstances would be a laugh.

I'm still reading in the old thread, on page 707 now...then i saw this...and died of laughter and epicness...no kidding my eyes are red from the tears. i'm wondering if i'll live through tomorrow if i keep thinking about this.

Modifié par fallele, 22 octobre 2010 - 11:30 .

[Evelinessa]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

I think you'd be surprised. They would need to do animations, convo cinematics, programming to say when those lines were appropriate, quest flags, and a whole host of other things I don't know about. 

But I agree. The romances are a big part of the series at this point, they can't go by the old standards of romance subplots anymore. People, (like me) play entirely different games just to have the different romances. Bioware can't really afford to shortchange on that aspect.

Then again, they also need to adequately resolve the Reaper plot, so I don't really know how they can balance the two.

Yeah I guess you're right. I don't know how much extra that would cost. Or how long it would take.

Yes! The romances are one of my favorite parts of the game and I'm going to make at least one playthrough for every romance(multiple for Garrus'), then I need one playthrough of staying loyal to each romance in ME1. And then if they have romances in ME3 I'm going to make characters for them too. The romances are a big part of the replay value for me. That's why I can't watch them online unless I see them in my game first.

Yeah, there wasn't much story in ME2. Hopefully we're not recruiting that many people in ME3. And we keep the old characters so they can focus on the plot. I would like the game to be longer but I doubt we will get more then 2 discs, 3 if we're lucky. I'm slow at playing these games anyway. I'm sure I take longer then most people.

[General Ashous]

Well, I doubt you'll take longer than I do. Hell, I analyse every word! But it's good to get to know the character. I also think ME3 will have two discs. I'm thinking Garrus'll come back as it''s his loyalty that will bring him back I think. But I'm not sure whether he'll be a squaddie. I hope yes but my gut's saying no. I hope my gut's wrong for a change.

[Brass_Buckles]

Hmmm. My two cents. The romances aren't all that important overall. They're fun to do, and fun to talk about, but the game would still be awesome without them (and of course, people would still pair their Shepard together with squaddies in fanfic).



I really doubt that we'll see Garrus as a squadmate in ME3. It stinks, but since any squadmate except Miranda can be killed pretty easily, including Garrus, and since they want the game accessible to first-time players... Well you get my point. While I think that he and Tali should be in ME3 because they were in ME1 and ME2 and it'd be a good way to round out the series, I'm not the developer and I can still see reasons not to have them. I will be buying ME3 either way. We might get them as squadmates in DLC if they don't have DLC for ME2 where they are leaving the squad.

[GuardianAngel470]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

Hmmm. My two cents. The romances aren't all that important overall. They're fun to do, and fun to talk about, but the game would still be awesome without them (and of course, people would still pair their Shepard together with squaddies in fanfic).

I really doubt that we'll see Garrus as a squadmate in ME3. It stinks, but since any squadmate except Miranda can be killed pretty easily, including Garrus, and since they want the game accessible to first-time players... Well you get my point. While I think that he and Tali should be in ME3 because they were in ME1 and ME2 and it'd be a good way to round out the series, I'm not the developer and I can still see reasons not to have them. I will be buying ME3 either way. We might get them as squadmates in DLC if they don't have DLC for ME2 where they are leaving the squad.

I don't think he will be either but for a very different reason. If his self confidence issues can be resolved (the main subject of my fanfiction) then he could prove to be much more valuable with his own team operating on his own.

Also, it think it is much more likely that Bioware will design the game assuming you have all the squadmates alive since it is the easiest thing to do and then work from there to incorporate deaths.

[Evelinessa]

General Ashous wrote...

Well, I doubt you'll take longer than I do. Hell, I analyse every word! But it's good to get to know the character. I also think ME3 will have two discs. I'm thinking Garrus'll come back as it''s his loyalty that will bring him back I think. But I'm not sure whether he'll be a squaddie. I hope yes but my gut's saying no. I hope my gut's wrong for a change.

My first playthrough of ME1 without the DLC  (I had Bring Down the Sky because of the platinum hits edition but didn't play it) but all sidequests took 54 hours. But I left the game on without playing it for about 5 of those hours. My first playthrough of ME2 with all sidequests and all the DLC so far took 80 hours with about 6-12 of those hours being the game left on without playing. First playthrough of Dragon Age:Origins took me 74 hours with half the sidequests done and no DLC. They take me so long because I talk to everybody and do everything and I save ALOT. I just checked and my ME2 file has 300 saves. So I'm not worried that the game will be too short for me but I still want it to be much longer.

I don't know if difficulty matters because in ME1 I played on normal and got to the Krogan Battlemaster on Therum died twice and I turned it down to casual(I'm impatiant and hate to die). Then turned it back to normal then turned it down again. In ME2 I decided to stick with casual all through. In DA:O I played on normal then turned it down on the fade. The games are too easy that way so I will work my way up to insanity.

But back on topic...

Yeah, I'm worried he won't come back too. He doesn't really have anything else better to do. And he should come back unless the time gap between ME2 and ME3 is big again (which I hope it isn't). And him being in both games and being one of the more popular characters should help. Plus he's a possible LI. So I hope he'll come back but I'm still worried they'll cameo him. I'm most worried because he can die. But everyone from ME2 can so I hope they don't make us recruit that many people and we can get the whole team back. ME2 would be pretty pointless if we don't get to keep our team. It would be stupid if they leave us with the Reaper threat being so close.

[Evelinessa]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

I don't think he will be either but for a very different reason. If his self confidence issues can be resolved (the main subject of my fanfiction) then he could prove to be much more valuable with his own team operating on his own.

Also, it think it is much more likely that Bioware will design the game assuming you have all the squadmates alive since it is the easiest thing to do and then work from there to incorporate deaths.

What worried me was his LotSB dossier where it says that he would make a good leader but he's overshadowed by Shepard. But then again the dossier also opened up more things by talking about his mother.

I think a default character might have them alive along with maybe Miranda and Jacob. It just seems to me that Garrus and Tali are too popular characters to just cameo them in the third game. I thought I read it somewhere that BioWare is going to put the most work in the popular characters. I may be wrong about that though.

Modifié par Evelinessa, 22 octobre 2010 - 11:54 .