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[fallele]

thats a good image right there, both garrus and tali devil horns and all XD. i still like the random discussion points, but talking to squadmates on missions. i miss that.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Evelinessa wrote...

And if there is some kind of confrontation between a ME1 and ME2 LI in ME3 then I hope you get to choose and not just lose both by default. I'm going to make a playthrough just in case where I don't romance anyone in ME1 and romance Garrus in ME2.

If LotSB is any indication, I doubt you'll lose both by default.  Or maybe it's just Liara being Liara.  At any rate, you probably can't KEEP both LIs, and they'll force a decision just like in either game if you were trying to multi-romance, and whoever you stiffed (heh, stiffed) probably won't be thrilled about it.  Personally, I would like to see Garrus lay the thwackdown on Kaidan at some point.  I killed Kaidan in my game, so that's not happening for me.  But if it CAN happen, someone needs to youtube that come ME3.

Though why anyone would dump Garr-bear for an ME1 LI is somewhat beyond me and my adoration of Garrus 

[fallele]

at times it's a cruel cruel world out there. I've seen the youtube video and besides crying, i died a little inside.

[Evelinessa]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

If LotSB is any indication, I doubt you'll lose both by default.  Or maybe it's just Liara being Liara.  At any rate, you probably can't KEEP both LIs, and they'll force a decision just like in either game if you were trying to multi-romance, and whoever you stiffed (heh, stiffed) probably won't be thrilled about it.  Personally, I would like to see Garrus lay the thwackdown on Kaidan at some point.  I killed Kaidan in my game, so that's not happening for me.  But if it CAN happen, someone needs to youtube that come ME3.

Though why anyone would dump Garr-bear for an ME1 LI is somewhat beyond me and my adoration of Garrus 

Yeah, I only want to keep one (and that one will be Garrus  ). I could never dump Garrus, but that would be pretty funny if Garrus and Kaiden got into a fight  . I doubt they would actually turn the LI confrontation into a fight but if they did it would have to go along with the characters personality. Does Garrus even seem like the kind of guy who would get into a fight over something like that? I know Kaiden might because of that whole thing with Rana(I think that's her name) and that turian. Kaiden has an advantage from being a biotic but I refuse to believe anyone could defeat Garrus.  Garrus is just that badass.

Hopefully this means that Garrus has to be around in someway because there isn't going to be much of a problem for a ME1 LI if the ME2 LI isn't going to be around that much. I could see the rejected LI leaving the squad or at least not talk to you that much.

Actually I'm not even sure if there is going to be a confrontation at all Bioware just said there would be "consequences" for a cheated on ME1 LI.

[IndelibleJester]

Knowing bioware, there will be confrontation, but not necessarily between the two LI... most likely between each and you.

[Evelinessa]

IndelibleJester wrote...

Knowing bioware, there will be confrontation, but not necessarily between the two LI... most likely between each and you.

Yeah, thats what I've been thinking too. I wouldn't mind if they said one line to each other and they each said something to Shepard to help her pick.

[Cra5y Pineapple]

In my opinion, one of the biggest mysteries of Mass Effect is what were Garrus's squad like and what the hell did they do? Now the Shadow Broker dossiers put some light out on this as it gave the names of his entire squad and I've estimated some of the species.

Erash - I honestly have no idea. The name could be Salarian but i'm not sure.
Montague - Human of course.
Mierin - Possibly Asari, maybe Salarian. Something about this name seems to shout out "badass asassin" to me.
Grundan Krul - Krogan judging from how the name is arranged.
Melanis - I personally think it sounds asari but maybe turian.
Ripper - Maybe a pet Varren lol.
Vortash - Garrus mentioned a Batarian tech specialist and this name seems to fit.
Sensat - I'm not joking when I say this name sounds very Hanar. I doubt it though. Could be the Salarian demolitions specialist.
Butler - Sounds pretty human to me.
Weaver - Maybe turian but who knows? It's a very cross-species sounding name.
Sidonis - Of course we know about him.

Modifié par Cra5y Pineapple, 29 octobre 2010 - 02:10 .

[Evelinessa]

Cra5y Pineapple wrote...

In my opinion, one of the biggest mysteries of Mass Effect is what were Garrus's squad like and what the hell did they do? Now the Shadow Broker dossiers put some light out on this as it gave the names of his entire squad and I've estimated some of the species.

Erash - I honestly have no idea. The name could be Salarian but i'm not sure.
Montague - Human of course.
Mierin - Possibly Asari, maybe Salarian. Something about this name seems to shout out "badass asassin" to me.
Grundan Krul - Krogan judging from how the name is arranged.
Melanis - I personally think it sounds asari but maybe turian.
Ripper - Maybe a pet Varren lol.
Vortash - Garrus mentioned a Batarian tech specialist and this name seems to fit.
Sensat - I'm not joking when I say this name sounds very Hanar. I doubt it though. Could be the Salarian demolitions specialist.
Butler - Sounds pretty human to me.
Weaver - Maybe turian but who knows? It's a very cross-species sounding name.
Sidonis - Of course we know about him.

Interesting.  I would've liked to know more about his team but he doesn't talk about it much . I doubt he will have more to say about it in ME3. I wonder if we would learn more about them in a DLC? I doubt it since I don't think anyone else besides the Shadow Broker would have that information (besides Garrus of course).

Modifié par Evelinessa, 29 octobre 2010 - 02:36 .

[Evelinessa]

fallele wrote...

at times it's a cruel cruel world out there. I've seen the youtube video and besides crying, i died a little inside.

I know. It kills me. I never thought that Garrus would say something like that to Shepard. It makes me so sad. Hopefully he never says anything like that again...

[Cra5y Pineapple]

As for the discussion about LI conflicts, I say just bring in Jerry Springer he'll sort everything out.

[Evelinessa]

Cra5y Pineapple wrote...

As for the discussion about LI conflicts, I say just bring in Jerry Springer he'll sort everything out.

Yeah, I don't want alot of drama but it would be interesting. They had little conflicts between Miranda and Jack, and Tali and Legion (I know they weren't arguing for a romance reason but still..) but none for FemSheps LIs. I want something in ME3. It would be nice if they said their own opinion of their romance with Shep and what they think of the other LI and try to get you to pick them. Not just copy & paste dialogue either I want them to say things based on their personality. I want whoever you reject to make you feel bad about it too. I don't know why. I think it would make it more interesting. It would make them seem like they cared about the relationship. I don't really know how the confrontations went in ME1 and I don't know if they will be like that.

Sorry for the wall of text...

Also to add on about what I said about the video.. It also makes me really sad how he says "I hope you know what you're doing, human. Don't let the council die in vain". He sounds so cold when he says it. He never talks like that. It makes me even more sad then if he would've talked like he normally does.

Modifié par Evelinessa, 29 octobre 2010 - 03:10 .

[lovgreno]

Kaidan VS Garrus perhaps? As much as I like Kaidan I think he better walk away from Garrus while he stilll can.

[CalJones]

It's funny he's the more paragon when compared to Tali - but I guess the quarians felt let down by the council. I've always had Garrus be the one to urge me to sacrifice them.

[Evelinessa]

lovgreno wrote...

Kaidan VS Garrus perhaps? As much as I like Kaidan I think he better walk away from Garrus while he stilll can.

Haha, I would love to see it. Garrus would definitely win . But Kaiden does have biotics and Garrus doesn't have any long range powers, just guns and some tech. Still I believe Garrus would win.

I hope they don't make the Garrus romance continue by not having him as a squadmate and if you're faithful to him he comes only in the epilogue. That would be a major cop out. I want multiple scenes and lots of dialogue. Garrus fans were so cheated on the dialogue.

Also, how old does everyone think Garrus is? I don't think it's ever mentioned anywhere.

CalJones wrote...

It's funny he's the more paragon when compared to Tali - but I guess the quarians felt let down by the council. I've always had Garrus be the one to urge me to sacrifice them.

I thought that was wierd too. I only finished one playthrough so far (I'm working on a second) and he wanted me to kill the council too. Kaiden was the other squadmate I had with me.

[CalJones]

In ME1 Garrus is your brash young cop - I'd say he's somewhere in his mid to late twenties. I'd guess he's slightly younger than Shepard - it's hard to tell, though. Turians don't age like humans.

[lovgreno]

As far as I know there has never been any oficial age for Garrus. He has however been described as a "young hothead" (I can't remember exactly where though, so it may just be in my head). In this thread we have often had the opinion that his idolising of Shepard makes it probablr that he is a few years younger than Shepard. I would say he seems to be in his mid twenties.

[Evelinessa]

Yeah, that makes sense. Don't turians have to serve in the military until they're thirty though? Since he isn't in C-Sec or anything by ME2 he may be thirty or close to it. Or I could be remembering alot of things wrong. Which I probably am...

[AlphaDormante]

Evelinessa wrote...

Lol, that's ok I can still hear what they're saying. And your Shepard is pretty .

*snip*

Thank you for uploading this.

I'm happy to oblige! And thank you, too

Regarding the LI conflict...I agree that they'll probably make us choose. In which case, I'm dropping Kaidan like a sack of potatoes. As far as I'm concerned, his little tantrum on Horizon was as good as the pink slip for the relationship, and his letter was no better. Too full of maybe-s and attempted guilt trips.

As for his age--it's hard to say. Turians begin serving the state by their mid-teens, but considering there kind of aren't any child/teenager models in the game plus his established job at C-Sec at the beginning of ME1, it's probably safe to say that he's been around the bend a few times. I would agree with mid-to-late twenties.

[Evelinessa]

AlphaDormante wrote...

I'm happy to oblige! And thank you, too

Regarding the LI conflict...I agree that they'll probably make us choose. In which case, I'm dropping Kaidan like a sack of potatoes. As far as I'm concerned, his little tantrum on Horizon was as good as the pink slip for the relationship, and his letter was no better. Too full of maybe-s and attempted guilt trips.

As for his age--it's hard to say. Turians begin serving the state by their mid-teens, but considering there kind of aren't any child/teenager models in the game plus his established job at C-Sec at the beginning of ME1, it's probably safe to say that he's been around the bend a few times. I would agree with mid-to-late twenties.

You're welcome .

I never liked Kaiden on my first playthrough (I'm starting to like him better) and I was considering staying loyal. That was until I found out Garrus was romancable . And his email was talking about him "seeing a doctor on the Ctadel" (If I'm remembering correctly). I wonder if that's Dr. Michel? But Dr. Michel wants Garrus (remember the email you get from her?). Yes, for me it's an easy choice. I could never reject Garrus. I still think it would be funny if there was some kind of confrontation and Garrus wins . I don't hate Kaiden I just think he is a little boring and his voice is hard to listen too. Oh, and I think Garrus is much more attractive then him.. even though Garrus is an alien.

Yeah, they start at 15. Mid-to-late twenties sounds right. I wish we had an official age though.

We need to go to Palavan and see female turians and meet Garrus' family. I never want to meet Ms. "flexibility" though. I know they never would but if we ever met her I would be insanely jealous and I would be constantly watching Garrus and her to see if he says or does anything. If I was feeling evil I would kill her off if I had the chance.

[AlphaDormante]

Haha, I remember being very disappointed with my romance options in ME1. Here's Liara, who is very nice thank you but not my preference, and then Kaidan, who is also very nice but...kind of blah. His voice bothers me the most. He sounds like a chain-smoker to me.

Actually, I was halfway through romancing him for the hell of it before I learned the options in ME2. While at first I was more amused by the thought of Garrus as a romantic partner than anything else, I decided to watch a few vids of the romance. I was surprised at how deeply it pulled at my heartstrings and realized that THAT was the romance I wanted.
I tried to derail Kaidan then, but he was stuck to me like flypaper. So I just denied him booty.  :innocent:

[SurelyForth]

By the time ME3 comes out, I'll have my canon Shep who will have romanced Kaidan in ME and Garrus and ME2 done and...I sort of hope they handle that as well as LotSB handled Shep "cheating" on Liara with Garrus. My issue with the whole thing is that neither Liara nor the VS seem like they consider the relationship to be on when you meet them in ME2, so I don't think they can get too mad if Shepard has moved on.

I certainly don't want a fight or argument. I was investigating a Jacob romance and he calls Garrus a cuttlebone if you end the relationship and specify that you're doing so to be with Garrus (although Shep's choice of metaphor there is very , so I can't blame Jacob for being angry). I don't want that from the ME LI.

Finally, I got a dialogue with Grunt last night where he talks about how he hates turians and I was so glad that there was an option for Shep to throw down on Garrus' behalf. I wish there was a line like "You might be a baby, but I will headbutt you if I even think you're looking at him with ill-intent." I get the reasoning behind the animosity, but the imagery was so graphic that it made me fretful.

[Evelinessa]

AlphaDormante wrote...

Haha, I remember being very disappointed with my romance options in ME1. Here's Liara, who is very nice thank you but not my preference, and then Kaidan, who is also very nice but...kind of blah. His voice bothers me the most. He sounds like a chain-smoker to me.

Actually, I was halfway through romancing him for the hell of it before I learned the options in ME2. While at first I was more amused by the thought of Garrus as a romantic partner than anything else, I decided to watch a few vids of the romance. I was surprised at how deeply it pulled at my heartstrings and realized that THAT was the romance I wanted.
I tried to derail Kaidan then, but he was stuck to me like flypaper. So I just denied him booty.  :innocent:

Haha, Yeah I didn't think the options were that great. I was thinking of switching to Liara but I already started the romance with Kaiden and she was kinda clingy and awkward (but nice...) so I stuck with him though. I know, he does sound like that. I don't think his conversations are that bad but his voice...it kills me I can't stand listening to it. And actually him yelling at me on Horizon caused me to respect his character more (after I thought about it) since he seemed stronger and had some actual emotion is his voice.

Why did it amuse you? Because he is a turian? At first when I read online that he was a romance option (I looked it up because I wasn't sure and the conversation with Kelly kinda hinted he was) I went through alot of emotions. First I thought  "Yeah! This is awesome. Thank you Bioware!" then I thought about it more wondering how it was going to work    . And then I read some spoilers about how alot of people felt disappointed with the romance scene and they felt the romance was shallow.  I read bits of pieces about what happens then I thought    but then I saw it myself and over time felt better after reading what people thought of the relationship. Now I just want more conversations and romance scenes.

Did you watch the whole romance online? Did you save any to see yourself in game?

I went along with Kaiden's romance scene but I didn't really like watching it. I think they should of added a post-sex cutscene after Garrus' romance (like Kaiden's) so I could have heard what he thought.

Sorry for the over use of emoticons, lol.

Modifié par Evelinessa, 29 octobre 2010 - 07:38 .

[Evelinessa]

SurelyForth wrote...

By the time ME3 comes out, I'll have my canon Shep who will have romanced Kaidan in ME and Garrus and ME2 done and...I sort of hope they handle that as well as LotSB handled Shep "cheating" on Liara with Garrus. My issue with the whole thing is that neither Liara nor the VS seem like they consider the relationship to be on when you meet them in ME2, so I don't think they can get too mad if Shepard has moved on.

I certainly don't want a fight or argument. I was investigating a Jacob romance and he calls Garrus a cuttlebone if you end the relationship and specify that you're doing so to be with Garrus (although Shep's choice of metaphor there is very , so I can't blame Jacob for being angry). I don't want that from the ME LI.

Finally, I got a dialogue with Grunt last night where he talks about how he hates turians and I was so glad that there was an option for Shep to throw down on Garrus' behalf. I wish there was a line like "You might be a baby, but I will headbutt you if I even think you're looking at him with ill-intent." I get the reasoning behind the animosity, but the imagery was so graphic that it made me fretful.

I'm planning for my canon Shep (even though I will have alot of Sheps by then) and I'm not sure who to make my ME1 LI be but I will definitely be with Garrus in ME2 and stick with him in ME3. Yeah, if they make a VS DLC we will see if they handle cheating the same way or if they even bring it up at all. I don't see Liara having much to say about the cheating in ME3 since she already sort of dealed with it in LotSB.

I would like for each of them to say at least one line to try to convince me to pick them (even though I know who I'll be picking). And maybe them having something to say if you reject them. Maybe something more.. I just want them to seem like they care without going over the top.

Ha, yeah I picked that dialogue with Grunt. I knew it was on the bottom but I was still hoping she wouldn't yell at him (I wanted to defend Garrus though). Luckily Grunt took it well and he wasn't planning to hurt Garrus . I know, hearing him saying what he was going to do to a turian made me worry. I don't really remember but I might have quickly thought of him doing that to Garrus and I wanted to protect him.

Speaking of protection. I want someone to save Shepard for once. Hopefully Garrus. And no I don't count the pulling Shepard up from the Normandy saving. That can be done with anybody.

Oh, I guess I can be really stupid at times because I don't even know what Jacob means by "cuttlebone". I didn't know what Garrus meant by "popping the heat sink" either ( I had to ask my ex-boyfriend. Yeah, trust me that was a nightmare...)

[AlphaDormante]

SurelyForth wrote...

Finally, I got a dialogue with Grunt last night where he talks about how he hates turians and I was so glad that there was an option for Shep to throw down on Garrus' behalf. I wish there was a line like "You might be a baby, but I will headbutt you if I even think you're looking at him with ill-intent." I get the reasoning behind the animosity, but the imagery was so graphic that it made me fretful.

I always snap at Grunt too. I feel a little bad when he's being so excited to tell Shepard about it, but you've gotta do what you gotta do sometimes.

I don't worry about Grunt, really. Once he clarifies that he has no personal problem with Garrus, he can paint graphic battle imagery to his two little hearts' content! I doubt they're ALL about turians, and I don't want to infringe on his artistic liberties!

Evelinessa wrote...

Why did it amuse you? Because he is a turian?

*snip*

Did you watch the whole romance online? Did you save any to see yourself in game?

Well, I started off watching the final romance scene, with the horrible Flux music and clashing-color outfit and everything else, so I found it very amusing right off the bat  I switched to another video before it got to the heartfelt part though, so I'm glad I got to experience that with my own Shep.

The only other video I watched was the dialogue where Garrus says that it's not about fetishes, it's about him and Shepard. And that immediately reminded me that interspecies relationships won't be all flowers and bunnies. I thought about what we'd been through in ME1...and realized that he was worth it <3

Regarding Garrus' use of "human": during the ending cutscene when you're dug out of the debris by Anderson's men? When Anderson asked where Shepard was and Garrus wouldn't even look at him--just shook his head staring at the ground--I like to think that he was regretting that his last words to her had been those. It makes me feel better.
And never apologize for smileys! I love smileys! For example: Garrus. :wub:

Modifié par AlphaDormante, 29 octobre 2010 - 08:08 .

[Evelinessa]

AlphaDormante wrote...

Well, I started off watching the final romance scene, with the horrible Flux music and clashing-color outfit and everything else, so I found it very amusing right off the bat  I switched to another video before it got to the heartfelt part though, so I'm glad I got to experience that with my own Shep.

The only other video I watched was the dialogue where Garrus says that it's not about fetishes, it's about him and Shepard. And that immediately reminded me that interspecies relationships won't be all flowers and bunnies. I thought about what we'd been through in ME1...and realized that he was worth it <3

Regarding Garrus' use of "human": during the ending cutscene when you're dug out of the debris by Anderson's men? When Anderson asked where Shepard was and Garrus wouldn't even look at him--just shook his head staring at the ground--I like to think that he was regretting that his last words to her had been those. It makes me feel better.
And never apologize for smileys! I love smileys! For example: Garrus. :wub:

Ok this is a wall of text..

Haha, yeah I liked the scene but my favorite part was definitely the end. It was really sweet that he tried so hard. I used the paragon interupt although I saw what happens if you don't use it and let him finish his sentence. He sounds like he's getting really nervous. He just complimented her and she isn't saying anything. He thinks he did something wrong. "Hopefully that isn't offensive in human culture. Crap, I knew I should've watched the watched the vids. Throw me a line here, Shepard!" I prefer what Shepard says if you use the paragon interupt. If you don't use it she says "Calm down Garrus. You're worrying to much.. and talking too much". Which was reinforcing my earlier ideas of Shepard wanting just sex. But what she says if you use the paragon interupt is "Consider me seduced, smooth talker. Now shut up and stop worrying". That one is slightly better and I like Garrus' face when she says that.
Yeah, at first I took that dialogue the wrong way. I thought "So Garrus isn't attracted to me...." but then I thought about it and realized that it's better because the relationship isn't about physical attraction and it's more about their trust and respect for each other. I felt much better.

It also makes the relationship more meaningful since you can't romance him if you didn't recruit him in ME1.

That's a nice way of looking at it . Hopefully we don't run into something where he is mean to us again...

Yay! Garrus.

Overall I thought the romance was great. I was unsure of alot of things at first but I felt better after reading things here. I haven't done the other romances yet so I can't compare them. But since Garrus is my favorite character(from Mass Effect and I think he is one of my favorite characters in a video game of all time) and I adore him so much, I don't think anyone will ever replace him. Actually I don't think.. I know.

Modifié par Evelinessa, 29 octobre 2010 - 08:41 .