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ciaweth

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CDN: Levo/dextro food parties.



The process is quite literally stomach-turning, but gourmands across the galaxy are lining up to try Reversal, a new gastrointestinal immunosuppressant treatment that allows dextro/levo species to safely sample each other’s cuisine. The process is expensive, lasts less than 24 [Earth Standard] hours, and the food provides no nutrition, but restaurants are already busy booking dextro/levo food parties. “It’s an adventure,” says food writer and Reversal enthusiast Livian Messalina. “We’re opening up new ranges of texture and flavor to each other. Taste still varies from species to species, but that’s part of the fun.” Doctors are warning these bold new epicures to watch out for leftovers — meals should be eaten as soon as possible, and users must purge before the treatment wears off.”


*cough*

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Those pumpkins are amazing. We don't really go in for pumpkin carving in quite the same way over here in Britain, but then Halloween isn't quite as big a deal.

I like that news flash. I can see a lot of rich women doing that regularly because you can eat as much dextro food as you like without getting fat. Heh.

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Yeah, I didn't think Halloween was as big a deal over seas, but pumpkin carving is something everyone could get into, ^_^. I never realized just how creative you could get with one until I saw a show on tv. I only attempted it myself for the first time last year, but it can be kind of addictive after a while.

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I hope Garrus returns, he killed the Human Reaper and Saren with me. I think in ME1 if a squad member was a LI he/she had special dialogue. At least I think Ash did.

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Curious; do people think this quote from Garrus' Shadow Broker dossier hints at him not being a squadmember in ME3?

Former C-Sec officer. Exceptional tactical and team-building skills. Leadership potential overshadowed by Shepard. Unlikely to fully develop under Shepard's command.



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hmmm don't know, i could see co-commanding, or Garrus taking command of the Normandy if Shepard is indisposed or something. but i'm not sure.

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Maybe they will do a spin-off after ME3 with Garrus as a main character. That would be nice.

But he better f'n be in my ME3 squad!

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GodWood wrote...

Curious; do people think this quote from Garrus' Shadow Broker dossier hints at him not being a squadmember in ME3?

Former C-Sec officer. Exceptional tactical and team-building skills. Leadership potential overshadowed by Shepard. Unlikely to fully develop under Shepard's command.

It might.  Even if that happens, I think he'll still have a significant role to play in ME3.  Also of note, seeing an outside assessment of the situation might jolt Garrus and Shepard into fixing the problem themselves.

Garrus does need to develop further.  TIM and the Shadow Broker praise him to the skies, "technical expertise," "strategic brilliance," "exceptional tactical and team-building skills."  Yet to hear Garrus tell it, he was just farting around on his own in Omega and his team assembled around him as he met them.  He needs to own his brilliance.  He could be a turian Shepard.

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GodWood wrote...

Curious; do people think this quote from Garrus' Shadow Broker dossier hints at him not being a squadmember in ME3?

Former C-Sec officer. Exceptional tactical and team-building skills. Leadership potential overshadowed by Shepard. Unlikely to fully develop under Shepard's command.


Yeah, I was worried when I read that. I really want him to be a squadmate. I can't see him leading a role where you absolutely need him to finish the game since he can die in ME2. There will be alot of unhappy fans if Garrus isn't a squadmate so hopefully Bioware will make him one. I would love to have him lead something though I just hope he stays in the squad.

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GodWood wrote...

Curious; do people think this quote from Garrus' Shadow Broker dossier hints at him not being a squadmember in ME3?

Former C-Sec officer. Exceptional tactical and team-building skills. Leadership potential overshadowed by Shepard. Unlikely to fully develop under Shepard's command.



To be honest? On an emotional level, I don't think Garrus is ready to lead a team again. What happened with his squad on Omega cut deep, and he makes it clear that he blames himself for their deaths just as much as he blames Sidonis. I don't have a single doubt in his ability or skill to command; only that he would willingly leave Shepard's side to lead a team independently. I suspect he may be subconsciously relying on her as a crutch of sort.

This is why I had him lead both fire teams on the Suicide Mission, and if there are any similar situations in ME3, you can bet your hiney I'm going to slap him into the commanding position again. As many times as it takes. When I read that dossier, I knew I would have to give him up eventually for his own good, and as much as I don't want to, I'd be doing the galaxy a disservice if I didn't push him out of the nest (turian-avian jokes nonwithstanding;)).

Of course, that doesn't mean it has to happen before the end of ME3. In fact, I'd be gloriously happy with a near-end-game confrontation concerning this, in which once he's convinced I can make many threats if he doesn't keep in touch regularly. He's not getting away that easily. :wub:

Modifié par AlphaDormante, 30 octobre 2010 - 08:13 .


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AlphaDormante wrote...

To be honest? On an emotional level, I don't think Garrus is ready to lead a team again. What happened with his squad on Omega cut deep, and he makes it clear that he blames himself for their deaths just as much as he blames Sidonis. I don't have a single doubt in his ability or skill to command; only that he would willingly leave Shepard's side to lead a team independently. I suspect he may be subconsciously relying on her as a crutch of sort.


I 100% agree.  Not only on the team leading, but also on Garrus's abilities to handle some of the difficult decisions of command.  Garrus himself admits he has trouble with shades of grey, and a lot of the decisions Shepard faces are shades of grey.  It's why we continue to argue about them on the forums :)  I wouldn't say decisions like the rachni queen, Virmire, Legion's sidequest, Maelon's research, etc. were EASY per se for my Shepard, but she weighed the situation, made the call to the best of her judgment, and simply moved on with her damn mission.  Garrus, it seems, has a tendency to dwell on things he's done (Saleon, Sidonis), and they just eat at him until they're dealt with decisively, usually with Shep's aid.  I'm not saying Garrus isn't a good leader--he certainly is.  But the Shadow Broker is absolutely right.  He's no Shepard, and he won't be until he stops using her as a crutch and learns how to deal with less clear cut situations and move on from them.

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The amusing thing Sable, is I roleplay my shepards are slgihtly neurotic and very definately people who brood on their percieved mistakes. They'll shove them to the side during the mission, but back on the Normandy, you bet they're in the loft sulking when they're not checking up on the crew.

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He better be a squadmate, or I'm going to do some tussling with the ****** who decided it would be such a wonderful idea to take him out of the squad.

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Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

He better be a squadmate, or I'm going to do some tussling with the ****** who decided it would be such a wonderful idea to take him out of the squad.


He is the second most popular character and he is the only character that doesn't really have anywhere else to go. Him being an LI gives him more priority then a non-LI character. I don't know how popular the romance is. I'm sure he is a more popular LI then Jacob but I'm not sure about Thane. He has been in both games so far and I think he is fairly hard to kill in the suicide mission. I think his LotSB dossier opened up some plot lines and if it matters you can't fail his loyalty mission. You have to recruit him (I think it's possible not to recruit some of the last set of dossiers and still finish the game plus you can sell Legion, leave Grunt in the tank, and kill Samara). If Bioware doesn't include him as a squadmate in ME3 then there will be alot of unhappy fans and they would have to come up with a good excuse why he would leave the squad. I can't think of a good reason. He isn't really valued that high among the turians so I don't see him leading them.

Sorry for the wall of text.

I'm trying to remain optimistic. Hopefully I don't get disappointed.

Modifié par Evelinessa, 30 octobre 2010 - 11:47 .


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Out of all of the squad mates, Garrus has the least reason to leave Shepard.

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Collider wrote...

Out of all of the squad mates, Garrus has the least reason to leave Shepard.


"GARRUS! The president of the turians needs you to team up with Jack Bauer to fight terrorists! Make the illogical choice to leave shepard and the normandy and begin your biggest mission of this extinction cycle!"

Modifié par Mr.BlazenGlazen, 31 octobre 2010 - 06:41 .


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Collider wrote...
Out of all of the squad mates, Garrus has the least reason to leave Shepard.

I have to admit the very first thing this comment made me think of was Garrus's mother being on death's door.

Yeah.

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I doubt he would stop saving the galaxy for that, even if it hurts.

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AlphaDormante wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Curious; do people think this quote from Garrus' Shadow Broker dossier hints at him not being a squadmember in ME3?

Former C-Sec officer. Exceptional tactical and team-building skills. Leadership potential overshadowed by Shepard. Unlikely to fully develop under Shepard's command.



To be honest? On an emotional level, I don't think Garrus is ready to lead a team again. What happened with his squad on Omega cut deep, and he makes it clear that he blames himself for their deaths just as much as he blames Sidonis. I don't have a single doubt in his ability or skill to command; only that he would willingly leave Shepard's side to lead a team independently. I suspect he may be subconsciously relying on her as a crutch of sort.

This is why I had him lead both fire teams on the Suicide Mission, and if there are any similar situations in ME3, you can bet your hiney I'm going to slap him into the commanding position again. As many times as it takes. When I read that dossier, I knew I would have to give him up eventually for his own good, and as much as I don't want to, I'd be doing the galaxy a disservice if I didn't push him out of the nest (turian-avian jokes nonwithstanding;)).

Of course, that doesn't mean it has to happen before the end of ME3. In fact, I'd be gloriously happy with a near-end-game confrontation concerning this, in which once he's convinced I can make many threats if he doesn't keep in touch regularly. He's not getting away that easily. :wub:


Subject of my fan fiction, right there. Seriously, you guys should read it.

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Collider wrote...

Out of all of the squad mates, Garrus has the least reason to leave Shepard.


I counter this assertion with the fact that out of all the squadmates, Shepard has the most reason to let him go.

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I don't think any of my Sheps, male or female, would want to let Garrus go. And I hope we don't have to.

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If he absolutely needs to go to his family for a bit I wouldn't mind. But since he really doesn't have anywhere to go except his family and the normandy I would tell him that my doors are always open and I'd welcome him with open arms.



If he does have to go I would guess it would only be temporarily.

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Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Collider wrote...

Out of all of the squad mates, Garrus has the least reason to leave Shepard.


"GARRUS! The president of the turians needs you to team up with Jack Bauer to fight terrorists! Make the illogical choice to leave shepard and the normandy and begin your biggest mission of this extinction cycle!"

I think Garrus and Jack Bauer would make a good team, they both yell when they're fighting, and they both fight for justice!! :bandit: I looked at Garrus' dossier though, and when I read that, I did suspect whether or not he would be in ME3. But he is so popular, he is the most loyal to shepard, and he has nothing to leave her for, so I think he will stay.                  But then, I am still hoping for a Garrus DLC... 

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Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

I think Garrus and Jack Bauer would make a good team, they both yell when they're fighting, and they both fight for justice!! :bandit: I looked at Garrus' dossier though, and when I read that, I did suspect whether or not he would be in ME3. But he is so popular, he is the most loyal to shepard, and he has nothing to leave her for, so I think he will stay.                  But then, I am still hoping for a Garrus DLC... 




I would love getting a Garrus DLC but I'm worried that at the end of it they make it questionable if he will be a squadmate in ME3. I mean look at LotSB, I'm sure alot of people doubt Liara will be a squadmate in ME3 now.

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GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Out of all of the squad mates, Garrus has the least reason to leave Shepard.


I counter this assertion with the fact that out of all the squadmates, Shepard has the most reason to let him go.


I gave alot of reasons why Bioware would make him stay though.