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[lovgreno]

No Garrus in the ME3 squad -> Me and other Garrus fans (and we are many) just got a lot less keen on buing the game -> Big potential loss in sales for BioWare. I think BioWare will at least seriously consider this while writing the story of ME3.

[Evelinessa]

lovgreno wrote...

No Garrus in the ME3 squad -> Me and other Garrus fans (and we are many) just got a lot less keen on buing the game -> Big potential loss in sales for BioWare. I think BioWare will at least seriously consider this while writing the story of ME3.

Definitely. I don't want to buy it if I can't have Garrus. Garrus is the second most popular character and they will ruin a part of their reputation if they just turn pretty much all the ME2 squad into cameos.

I hope they don't cater to newbies too much. Doing that might cause us to have less consequences (like a bunch of emails) and they wont understand who all these characters are(so I hope they dont cut out important characters). At this point most who are going to play ME3 have at least played ME2(and alot of them went back to play ME1) so the newbies will be in the minority. If they are going to play a third part of a trilogy they should prepare to be confused.

Sorry. I just really will lose alot motivation to buy the game if I lose Garrus as a squadmate.

And I have something else to say about Garrus but I'll wait until next time I post.

[Evelinessa]

I'm not only worried about Garrus being a squadmate, I'm worried about how much dialogue they will give him. I was thinking last night and this is what I thought of:

Garrus in ME1 has 5 conversations just like Wrex and Tali while the LIs have more. But I noticed (from what I remember) that Garrus has the shortest conversations out of all of them. He has only a few lines of dialogue each conversation and then at the end you try to change his morality. This bothered me that his conversations are so short. Then in ME2 he has the least conversations out of everybody and his conversations are really short (not sure if his is the shortest but his are definitely short) Plus he doesn't have any romance dialogue after the collector base like Tali and Jacob.

So do you think he should get alot more dialogue in ME3 because he isn't being treated fairly enough?

So if Garrus is in ME3 I will be super happy. But I'm worried they arn't going to give him that much dialogue again and not give proper attention to his romance which will make me really upset. I want Garrus to get what he deserves. I think there is so much we can learn about him that we haven't yet and there is so much room for his character to grow.

Also for those who've heard the Citadel Groundskeeper dialogue tell me what you think of this. It makes me think that the only way turians can tell if your female is by your "funny bumps". Probably not true but thats what it makes me think.

[lovgreno]

Why did they cut that line about "funny bumps"? It was hilarious.

[ciaweth]

lovgreno wrote...

Why did they cut that line about "funny bumps"? It was hilarious.

It was funny, but it doesn't make any sense for a turian to say; turians know exactly what those "funny bumps" are from dealing with asari.  If anything, turians should be identifying human men as the ones without funny bumps.*

*Unless you're of the opinion that asari appear radically different to members of each species, not just somewhat different, as discussed by the bachelor party participants on Illium.

[Skyline_Stanza]

ciaweth wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Curious; do people think this quote from Garrus' Shadow Broker dossier hints at him not being a squadmember in ME3?

Former C-Sec officer. Exceptional tactical and team-building skills. Leadership potential overshadowed by Shepard. Unlikely to fully develop under Shepard's command.

It might.  Even if that happens, I think he'll still have a significant role to play in ME3.  Also of note, seeing an outside assessment of the situation might jolt Garrus and Shepard into fixing the problem themselves.

Garrus does need to develop further.  TIM and the Shadow Broker praise him to the skies, "technical expertise," "strategic brilliance," "exceptional tactical and team-building skills."  Yet to hear Garrus tell it, he was just farting around on his own in Omega and his team assembled around him as he met them.  He needs to own his brilliance.  He could be a turian Shepard.

I'm sorry if I seem like I'm coming out of nowhere (and I kind of am, considering I'm sort of new to the forums in general), but I'm curious to know what you mean by Garrus' "owning his brilliance". Do you mean to say he's not confident in his team building and tactical skills by the time of ME2? That he's unsure of himself when it comes to placing other lives in his hands? Would you say that this view changes by the end of the game, during the suicide mission? 

Sorry, I'm trying to get some good personal information on our turian Batman, since I'd like to get his characterization right when I portray him in my fanfiction. For instance, how would the turian act and think of Samara or how would he treat Thane?  

[ciaweth]

Skyline_Stanza wrote...

ciaweth wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Curious; do people think this quote from Garrus' Shadow Broker dossier hints at him not being a squadmember in ME3?

Former C-Sec officer. Exceptional tactical and team-building skills. Leadership potential overshadowed by Shepard. Unlikely to fully develop under Shepard's command.

It might.  Even if that happens, I think he'll still have a significant role to play in ME3.  Also of note, seeing an outside assessment of the situation might jolt Garrus and Shepard into fixing the problem themselves.

Garrus does need to develop further.  TIM and the Shadow Broker praise him to the skies, "technical expertise," "strategic brilliance," "exceptional tactical and team-building skills."  Yet to hear Garrus tell it, he was just farting around on his own in Omega and his team assembled around him as he met them.  He needs to own his brilliance.  He could be a turian Shepard.

I'm sorry if I seem like I'm coming out of nowhere (and I kind of am, considering I'm sort of new to the forums in general), but I'm curious to know what you mean by Garrus' "owning his brilliance". Do you mean to say he's not confident in his team building and tactical skills by the time of ME2? That he's unsure of himself when it comes to placing other lives in his hands? Would you say that this view changes by the end of the game, during the suicide mission? 

Sorry, I'm trying to get some good personal information on our turian Batman, since I'd like to get his characterization right when I portray him in my fanfiction. For instance, how would the turian act and think of Samara or how would he treat Thane?  

I think he doesn't realize he's as talented as he is.  Notice how good-naturedly cocky he is when he's on a mission with Shepard, shouting out "Scratch one!" and "One less to worry about!"  He knows he's a crack shot and a good fighter.  Similarly, he doesn't mind saying he's highly rated in hand-to-hand combat when he's telling Shepard about tangling with that recon scout.  He's not a jerk about it,  but he can't be called humble. 

Now, compare that with how he acts with regard to his management of his team on Omega--not necessarily about their deaths, but about how he gathered them together and went about their missions.  Not cocky.  Basically tells Shepard that it just kind of happened:  he was working solo, and then people joined him because they agreed with his goal.  But both TIM and the Shadow Broker think it was his skill, not happenstance.  Nalah Butler would probably agree with them.  Maybe Garrus was confident about his abilities in this arena before the deaths of his teammates, but we don't know.  All we have is a video clip from the Shadow Broker and a few comments.  He certainly isn't confident now, in any case. 

With regard to getting Garrus' characterization right, don't look to anything I say as canon.    I'm doing the same thing you are, which is looking at the source material and drawing my own personal conclusions from it.  I try to tie everything I say back to hard facts about the ME universe, but at the end of the day, only the BioWare writers know what's really true about Garrus.  Gather all the info you can from Mass Effect itself--exact dialogue lines, codices, and so on--and see what you think fits him.

Modifié par ciaweth, 01 novembre 2010 - 12:51 .

[Evelinessa]

ciaweth wrote...

I think he doesn't realize he's as talented as he is.  Notice how good-naturedly cocky he is when he's on a mission with Shepard, shouting out "Scratch one!" and "One less to worry about!"  He knows he's a crack shot and a good fighter.  Similarly, he doesn't mind saying he's highly rated in hand-to-hand combat when he's telling Shepard about tangling with that recon scout.  He's not a jerk about it,  but he can't be called humble. 

Now, compare that with how he acts with regard to his management of his team on Omega--not necessarily about their deaths, but about how he gathered them together and went about their missions.  Not cocky.  Basically tells Shepard that it just kind of happened:  he was working solo, and then people joined him because they agreed with his goal.  But both TIM and the Shadow Broker think it was his skill, not happenstance.  Nalah Butler would probably agree with them.  Maybe Garrus was confident about his abilities in this arena before the deaths of his teammates, but we don't know.  All we have is a video clip from the Shadow Broker and a few comments.  He certainly isn't confident now, in any case. 

With regard to getting Garrus' characterization right, don't look to anything I say as canon.    I'm doing the same thing you are, which is looking at the source material and drawing my own personal conclusions from it.  I try to tie everything I say back to hard facts about the ME universe, but at the end of the day, only the BioWare writers know what's really true about Garrus.  Gather all the info you can from Mass Effect itself--exact dialogue lines, codices, and so on--and see what you think fits him.

Wait a second. There was a clip of him from the Shadow Broker? I went to the base a few times and I've seen two sets of videos.. but I've never seen one with Garrus in it. What does it show?

Also, guys I made a poll for who is the favorite femshep LI. If you want to vote on it you can do so here.

[Loki330]

I think it's more 'Can't tell the difference until you're used to it'. I couldn't tell asian regionalities apart, but after university (and being mates with several asians) I can pretty acurrately guess if they're korean/chinese/japanese/other. Garrus, being in C-Sec will no doubt be able to easily tell.

[ciaweth]

Evelinessa wrote...


Wait a second. There was a clip of him from the Shadow Broker? I went to the base a few times and I've seen two sets of videos.. but I've never seen one with Garrus in it. What does it show?

It's in the third set of vids from the SB base.  See here, around 3:35.

[Skyline_Stanza]

ciaweth wrote:
I think he doesn't realize he's as talented as he is. Notice how good-naturedly cocky he is when he's on a mission with Shepard, shouting out "Scratch one!" and "One less to worry about!" He knows he's a crack shot and a good fighter. Similarly, he doesn't mind saying he's highly rated in hand-to-hand combat when he's telling Shepard about tangling with that recon scout. He's not a jerk about it, but he can't be called humble.

Now, compare that with how he acts with regard to his management of his team on Omega--not necessarily about their deaths, but about how he gathered them together and went about their missions. Not cocky. Basically tells Shepard that it just kind of happened: he was working solo, and then people joined him because they agreed with his goal. But both TIM and the Shadow Broker think it was his skill, not happenstance. Nalah Butler would probably agree with them. Maybe Garrus was confident about his abilities in this arena before the deaths of his teammates, but we don't know. All we have is a video clip from the Shadow Broker and a few comments. He certainly isn't confident now, in any case.

With regard to getting Garrus' characterization right, don't look to anything I say as canon. I'm doing the same thing you are, which is looking at the source material and drawing my own personal conclusions from it. I try to tie everything I say back to hard facts about the ME universe, but at the end of the day, only the BioWare writers know what's really true about Garrus. Gather all the info you can from Mass Effect itself--exact dialogue lines, codices, and so on--and see what you think fits him.

Ah, well. I'm trying my hardest to get the squad's personalities down, Garrus's as well, considering I have him leading a squad on some of the ME2 sidemissions when Shepard's out recruiting or doing a loyalty mission. That's why I wanted to know what he thought of his team-building and tactical skills.  I mean, I think it's a bit challenging. Even though I've got some decent info on how he acts, I'm not sure how he'd approach situations.

Modifié par Skyline_Stanza, 01 novembre 2010 - 01:57 .

[ciaweth]

Skyline_Stanza wrote...

I think he doesn't realize he's as talented as he is. Notice how good-naturedly cocky he is when he's on a mission with Shepard, shouting out "Scratch one!" and "One less to worry about!" He knows he's a crack shot and a good fighter. Similarly, he doesn't mind saying he's highly rated in hand-to-hand combat when he's telling Shepard about tangling with that recon scout. He's not a jerk about it, but he can't be called humble.

Now, compare that with how he acts with regard to his management of his team on Omega--not necessarily about their deaths, but about how he gathered them together and went about their missions. Not cocky. Basically tells Shepard that it just kind of happened: he was working solo, and then people joined him because they agreed with his goal. But both TIM and the Shadow Broker think it was his skill, not happenstance. Nalah Butler would probably agree with them. Maybe Garrus was confident about his abilities in this arena before the deaths of his teammates, but we don't know. All we have is a video clip from the Shadow Broker and a few comments. He certainly isn't confident now, in any case.

With regard to getting Garrus' characterization right, don't look to anything I say as canon. I'm doing the same thing you are, which is looking at the source material and drawing my own personal conclusions from it. I try to tie everything I say back to hard facts about the ME universe, but at the end of the day, only the BioWare writers know what's really true about Garrus. Gather all the info you can from Mass Effect itself--exact dialogue lines, codices, and so on--and see what you think fits him.

Ah, well. I'm trying my hardest to get the squad's personalities down, Garrus's as well, considering I have him leading a squad on some of the ME2 sidemissions when Shepard's out recruiting or doing a loyalty mission. That's why I wanted to know what he thought of his team-building and tactical skills.

Well, if you put him in charge of the first fire team for the suicide mission, all he does in reaction is to shift his weight and give a weird, tight little nod.  But then he turns around and leads the team with good results, sounding way less stressed than either Jacob or Miranda do if you put them in charge. 

I've got to wonder if maybe he'd gain a bit of confidence in his leadership abilities after the suicide mission, especially if he led one or both fire teams.  BioWare doesn't give us any further dialogue from him that would enable us to tell.  :-/

[Skyline_Stanza]

I felt that, apart from the suicide mission, the remaining squadmates just sort of..lounge about on the Normandy 2.0 waiting for Shep to return, not really doing anything. So this, in a way, builds Garrus' confidence with handling a team as well as making the other team members active, further developing thier skills in combat.



Same goes for Miranda. I never really thought of her as a leader, but given her status aboard Normandy 2.0, I thought "Hey, why not test her leadership skills with some of the side missions? That way, Shep kind of kills two birds with one stone and her squadmates get some good training."



I would like to think that he did, in my opinion or that he grew in some way that, when he was selected by Shep to lead the team, he knew he could do it.

[Evelinessa]

ciaweth wrote...

Evelinessa wrote...


Wait a second. There was a clip of him from the Shadow Broker? I went to the base a few times and I've seen two sets of videos.. but I've never seen one with Garrus in it. What does it show?

It's in the third set of vids from the SB base.  See here, around 3:35.

Ah, thanks. I was sad when I saw the first set of videos and he wasn't in them.

[GuardianAngel470]

Skyline_Stanza wrote...

ciaweth wrote:
I think he doesn't realize he's as talented as he is. Notice how good-naturedly cocky he is when he's on a mission with Shepard, shouting out "Scratch one!" and "One less to worry about!" He knows he's a crack shot and a good fighter. Similarly, he doesn't mind saying he's highly rated in hand-to-hand combat when he's telling Shepard about tangling with that recon scout. He's not a jerk about it, but he can't be called humble.

Now, compare that with how he acts with regard to his management of his team on Omega--not necessarily about their deaths, but about how he gathered them together and went about their missions. Not cocky. Basically tells Shepard that it just kind of happened: he was working solo, and then people joined him because they agreed with his goal. But both TIM and the Shadow Broker think it was his skill, not happenstance. Nalah Butler would probably agree with them. Maybe Garrus was confident about his abilities in this arena before the deaths of his teammates, but we don't know. All we have is a video clip from the Shadow Broker and a few comments. He certainly isn't confident now, in any case.

With regard to getting Garrus' characterization right, don't look to anything I say as canon. I'm doing the same thing you are, which is looking at the source material and drawing my own personal conclusions from it. I try to tie everything I say back to hard facts about the ME universe, but at the end of the day, only the BioWare writers know what's really true about Garrus. Gather all the info you can from Mass Effect itself--exact dialogue lines, codices, and so on--and see what you think fits him.

Ah, well. I'm trying my hardest to get the squad's personalities down, Garrus's as well, considering I have him leading a squad on some of the ME2 sidemissions when Shepard's out recruiting or doing a loyalty mission. That's why I wanted to know what he thought of his team-building and tactical skills.  I mean, I think it's a bit challenging. Even though I've got some decent info on how he acts, I'm not sure how he'd approach situations.

I wouldn't say that he is confident in his abilities in and of themselves. Shepard places confidence in them and to me that validates his ability to lead on the suicide mission, but I wouldn't say he is anywhere near confident.


What I took from the dialog with his sister was meekness. He really seemed meek, and didn't contradict her at all, so I would say that that is still a big part of his character.

As a side note, I wrote a fan fiction about that and it features Samara. If you want to read mine, feel free. Links are in my sig, and please comment.

Modifié par GuardianAngel470, 01 novembre 2010 - 04:07 .

[ciaweth]

What can he say to his sister to justify his absence without giving away what he's up to? He's not going to lie (turians are said not to do that, much), and he cannot defend himself without spewing info that a) is not public knowledge and she probably wouldn't believe anyway.



So yeah, it could be meekness, but I read it as discipline. Taking an emotional knife in the gut for the sake of the mission.

[GuardianAngel470]

ciaweth wrote...

What can he say to his sister to justify his absence without giving away what he's up to? He's not going to lie (turians are said not to do that, much), and he cannot defend himself without spewing info that a) is not public knowledge and she probably wouldn't believe anyway.

So yeah, it could be meekness, but I read it as discipline. Taking an emotional knife in the gut for the sake of the mission.

The way I see it, if he was confident he could judge that anything he told his sister probably wouldn't matter. Also, the main part of that discourse that made me feel like he was being meek was when she rails at him and he agrees. It was basically self deprication.

[Sialater]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

ciaweth wrote...

What can he say to his sister to justify his absence without giving away what he's up to? He's not going to lie (turians are said not to do that, much), and he cannot defend himself without spewing info that a) is not public knowledge and she probably wouldn't believe anyway.

So yeah, it could be meekness, but I read it as discipline. Taking an emotional knife in the gut for the sake of the mission.

The way I see it, if he was confident he could judge that anything he told his sister probably wouldn't matter. Also, the main part of that discourse that made me feel like he was being meek was when she rails at him and he agrees. It was basically self deprication.

Self-deprecation isn't meekness.  It's not humility, either.  It's a lack of self-esteem or a sense of self-worth.  If he's not fighting, or sniping something, he's not confident.  When emotions get involved with his sister, with Shepard, his team... he's not confident, he may have been at one point, but Sidonis' betrayal hurt.  

A tactical genius gets himself locked into a corner he can't get out of by mercs who's idea of a fight is throwing cannon fodder at him till he runs out of ammo?  No, he wasn't thinking straight.  For the first time since shooting the thug in Doctor Michel's office, he didn't think.  He just reacted.

[The Naked Pen]

I always interpreted him as the type not to boast, but to know exactly how good he was. He's a better turian than he thinks he is. He asks for help when he needs it; he's not proud, but instead understands both his strengths and his limitations.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Evelinessa wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

No Garrus in the ME3 squad -> Me and other Garrus fans (and we are many) just got a lot less keen on buing the game -> Big potential loss in sales for BioWare. I think BioWare will at least seriously consider this while writing the story of ME3.

Definitely. I don't want to buy it if I can't have Garrus. Garrus is the second most popular character and they will ruin a part of their reputation if they just turn pretty much all the ME2 squad into cameos.

I hope they don't cater to newbies too much. Doing that might cause us to have less consequences (like a bunch of emails) and they wont understand who all these characters are(so I hope they dont cut out important characters). At this point most who are going to play ME3 have at least played ME2(and alot of them went back to play ME1) so the newbies will be in the minority. If they are going to play a third part of a trilogy they should prepare to be confused.

Sorry. I just really will lose alot motivation to buy the game if I lose Garrus as a squadmate.

And I have something else to say about Garrus but I'll wait until next time I post.

I adore Garrus as much as the next person, but substantial financial repercussions for BioWare if one character in one game is not a squad member (but may very well still be present in the game) isn't terribly likely.  It's like saying the game will suffer significantly in sales if Tali isn't a squaddie--sure the Tali fans may duck out in protest, but 99% of people will probably still buy, play, and enjoy the game.  Keep in mind that most of the folks who play BioWare games don't frequent the forums, don't get heavily invested in the characters and the franchise as much as we do.  Our voices may be the most dedicated and the loudest, but they're certainly not the most numerous.  

The us vs. them, newbies vs. experienced players mentality is, IMO, more negative than it has to be.  I was thrilled at how many people got into the ME series after getting introduced to it by the awesomitude of ME2.  I thought ME2 did a pretty damn good job of filling in new players in media res.  I do agree that playing the last game in a trilogy first seems off, but I don't think it's fair to say, "Hey, anyone new to the franchise is just SOL for the third--and most likely best--game until they play at least one of the prequels."  A lot of new players came into the franchise with ME2.  Hopefully more will do so with ME3--the more the merrier.  And to be entirely honest, it's not like the plot of Mass Effect is that difficult to condense and understand for a new player.  Giant machines out to kill us, you getting allies and a team to try and stop them in various ways.  BLAM.  It only takes a few lines to fill in character involvement as they go, sort of a "Hey, you were that guy I stopped Saren with.  How's things?" kind of quick backstory.

[Evelinessa]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Evelinessa wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

No Garrus in the ME3 squad -> Me and other Garrus fans (and we are many) just got a lot less keen on buing the game -> Big potential loss in sales for BioWare. I think BioWare will at least seriously consider this while writing the story of ME3.

Definitely. I don't want to buy it if I can't have Garrus. Garrus is the second most popular character and they will ruin a part of their reputation if they just turn pretty much all the ME2 squad into cameos.

I hope they don't cater to newbies too much. Doing that might cause us to have less consequences (like a bunch of emails) and they wont understand who all these characters are(so I hope they dont cut out important characters). At this point most who are going to play ME3 have at least played ME2(and alot of them went back to play ME1) so the newbies will be in the minority. If they are going to play a third part of a trilogy they should prepare to be confused.

Sorry. I just really will lose alot motivation to buy the game if I lose Garrus as a squadmate.

And I have something else to say about Garrus but I'll wait until next time I post.

I adore Garrus as much as the next person, but substantial financial repercussions for BioWare if one character in one game is not a squad member (but may very well still be present in the game) isn't terribly likely.  It's like saying the game will suffer significantly in sales if Tali isn't a squaddie--sure the Tali fans may duck out in protest, but 99% of people will probably still buy, play, and enjoy the game.  Keep in mind that most of the folks who play BioWare games don't frequent the forums, don't get heavily invested in the characters and the franchise as much as we do.  Our voices may be the most dedicated and the loudest, but they're certainly not the most numerous.  

The us vs. them, newbies vs. experienced players mentality is, IMO, more negative than it has to be.  I was thrilled at how many people got into the ME series after getting introduced to it by the awesomitude of ME2.  I thought ME2 did a pretty damn good job of filling in new players in media res.  I do agree that playing the last game in a trilogy first seems off, but I don't think it's fair to say, "Hey, anyone new to the franchise is just SOL for the third--and most likely best--game until they play at least one of the prequels."  A lot of new players came into the franchise with ME2.  Hopefully more will do so with ME3--the more the merrier.  And to be entirely honest, it's not like the plot of Mass Effect is that difficult to condense and understand for a new player.  Giant machines out to kill us, you getting allies and a team to try and stop them in various ways.  BLAM.  It only takes a few lines to fill in character involvement as they go, sort of a "Hey, you were that guy I stopped Saren with.  How's things?" kind of quick backstory.

They may not be affected by one character but think of how alot of people will react if most or all of the characters were cameod. It might not hurt sales that much but I'm sure it may hurt the reputation of the series. I'm hoping that when Bioware was planning the whole suicide mission mechanic they had ME3 in mind. They must know(or I at least hope they do) that people are going to get really attached to these characters. And people want consequences. If I saved all my squad in ME2 I want them in ME3. If I killed most of my team I expect to get less squadmates. What was the point of spending all of ME2 building a team if none or few of them can be squadmates? I have some hopes about Garrus returning based on what I said a page back. If I can remember I think I said:

Garrus is the second most popular character in the series. He has been in both games so far. He is a possible LI which gives him priority over Non-LI characters. He is the only character that has no reason to leave Shepard. He is fairly hard to kill in the suicide mission. His LotSB opened up some plot lines. He is the most popular romance option from ME2(for FemSheps).His character has alot of room to grow and so does his romance. If Bioware wanted to write him out as a squadmate it would take alot of work to make it believable. I also think that Bioware could save money with sticking with the old Characters then design all new characters(they will need some of course) and hire new voice actors. I think I mentioned everything.

I'm not mad at the people who decided to play ME2 first. That will be more money in Bioware's pocket to put towards ME3. I'm worried that Bioware is going to try too much to make this a stand alone game that it doesn't really have any consequences at all. I feel that as this is the last part of the trilogy we need everything to have major consequences and I'm worried that Bioware will chose to make less consequences in order for new people to understand ME3 better even though they should be starting with at least ME2 first.

I think Garrus has the best chance of coming back out of anybody but I'm not trying to get my hopes up.

Also, sorry to promote a poll again but I had to redo mine so there would be more choices. Garrus needs more votes. You can do it here.

Modifié par Evelinessa, 01 novembre 2010 - 09:12 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I never thought of the saving money aspect, but that's a really valid point and makes me more confident that Garrus will stay

By the way, I never got the chance to thank Evelinessa (or Guardian Angel - sorry, same profile pic don't know which!) gave me the link earlier! I never knew about Jacob and Tali getting extra lines...



Also, I am a bit of a newbie on here... So could someone please tell me how you all do your cool signatures? Do I just click on the hyperlink?

And about Garrus' personality, he seems very tense to me in everything he does - except for when he is fighting. May explain for his lack of confidence in most things but fighting. I think that's why Shepard is attracted to him, because he seems to have a lot of scars (emotional as well as physical) that all need healing. He reveals plenty of times in numerous conversations and comments from place to place about how he has had a really hard life, it must be more than Sidonis' betrayal, because in ME1 he was always very tense and talked about his difficult life too. For this reason, I feel that Garrus' story is far from complete, and LotSB hints at this by revealing things that - even as Garrus' lover - we never even had a clue about. There is so much more to our favourite character than we know from the current ME series...

[General Ashous]

I think that's one of Garrus' main features now, his scars. Something of a grim reminder of how harsh life can be. I like them but don't like them. I think it kind of spoiled his face but it kind of gives him a grim tone too, which is what he is on the battlefield.

[Skyline_Stanza]

Thanks for the feedback you guys. It's really helping me along. Now, I'm trying to study Garrus' lines, seeing how he speaks to Shepard or to others. Do you think he'd speak the same way to  friend!Shep as he would another squadmate, or would he take a slightly different tone with another squadmate due to the fact that he isn't particularly close to them?

Garrus' scars due add another layer to him, thought I wish we could have healed them like we could Shep's scars in the medbay. It would have been a nice little point: "Even though the physical scars are gone, the emotional scars, the betrayal and hurt, are still there" kind of a thing.

Modifié par Skyline_Stanza, 01 novembre 2010 - 10:34 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Personally, I think the scars look kinda good!! With all due respect (without meaning 'kiss my ass' - Ash quote) I don't think they spoil his face. Despite comments I've heard that Garrus is perceived as a FWB, I think that his scars and his totally different race shows that it aint all shallow!



Glad your writing a fanfic, I'm a bidding author myself, so it's nice to see so many in the field!!