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[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Personally, I think the scars look kinda good!! With all due respect (without meaning 'kiss my ass' - Ash quote) I don't think they spoil his face. Despite comments I've heard that Garrus is perceived as a FWB, I think that his scars and his totally different race shows that it aint all shallow!



Glad your writing a fanfic, I'm a bidding author myself, so it's nice to see so many in the field!!

[Tyrium]

Skyline_Stanza wrote...

Garrus' scars due add another layer to him, thought I wish we could have healed them like we could Shep's scars in the medbay. It would have been a nice little point: "Even though the physical scars are gone, the emotional scars, the betrayal and hurt, are still there" kind of a thing.

That's why I buy the med bag upgrade, then use texmod to "heal" him over the course of the game. I start out with normal scars, then there is a "minor scarring plus bandage" mod, then a "minor scarring no bandage" mod.

Because the model has the bandage on it, the no bandage version can look a little puffy on the side, but I think of that as post-operative swelling, and recontruction work.

linky: http://social.biowar...ect/2405/#files

[The Naked Pen]

I'm not so sure that's in-character for him. I think Garrus might be the sort to deliberately not heal the scars because he'd see them as a reminder of his failure with his team. I'd see him as believing that he doesn't deserve to be the only one to get out unharmed from Omega, especially since he believes that it was his fault that his team died. The scars are symbolic of his emotional turmoil as well as the physical stuff he's gone through. Maybe if he doesn't kill Sidonis and romances Shepard it would make sense for him to get over it and have the scars properly healed, though. It would add a nice visual aid to character development, kind of like how Shepard's scars heal or worsen depending on morality.

[Skyline_Stanza]

@ Tasha

(Slightly OT)

Well, y'know, when the fanfic bug hits you, things snowball from there. Mostly, I'm writing to address issues I thought weren't rightly addressed within the game, like squadmate interactions and Shepard's overall emotional outlook on being brought back from the dead.

Like I mentioned earlier, I'm going to have two squads of three, with Garrus and Miranda at the lead respectively, going out and performing the sidemissions, as a way to keep thier skills sharp when they finally go through the O4 relay.

So getting Garrus down is paramount, both in terms of his team leading and his personality... I also kind of have him in a really unorthodox romance. I blame my ME addiction coupled with weird dreams. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

Evelinessa wrote...

I'm not mad at the people who decided to play ME2 first. That will be more money in Bioware's pocket to put towards ME3. I'm worried that Bioware is going to try too much to make this a stand alone game that it doesn't really have any consequences at all. I feel that as this is the last part of the trilogy we need everything to have major consequences and I'm worried that Bioware will chose to make less consequences in order for new people to understand ME3 better even though they should be starting with at least ME2 first.

I think Garrus has the best chance of coming back out of anybody but I'm not trying to get my hopes up.

Also, sorry to promote a poll again but I had to redo mine so there would be more choices. Garrus needs more votes. You can do it here.

I don't think BioWare have said anything to hint that they want ME3 to be more standalone.  If anything, the scant indications we've had so far are to the opposite, with the devs talking about letting the third game wildly branch based on games 1 and 2's decisions, and not having to worry about tying the third game's ending back together for a fourth.

And you know, if we were talking any other dev team and any other game, I'd be right there with you on the not getting my hopes up.  But I feel the ME team have earned a little bit of my trust.  Before ME2, the Tali and Garrus fans clamored and begged for romances with the characters.  The fanbase as a whole really wanted them to return as squaddies.  I was pretty sure after the Archangel video we were getting Garrus on our squad, but no indication came as to romance, and I was convinced it wasn't going to happen.  I load up ME2, and ZOMG.  Garrusmance, and an ADORABLE one to boot.  They did in fact listen to us, even though they were probably convinced it was going to be a niche thing and even presented Thane as a more humanoid alien LI.  

tl;dr--I've got faith in the dev team for ME3--they earned it, let's hope they don't squander it.

Skyline_Stanza wrote...

So getting Garrus down is paramount, both in terms of his team leading and his personality... I also kind of have him in a really unorthodox romance. I blame my ME addiction coupled with weird dreams. 

I've actually got a question for y'all related to this.  How do your individual Shepard's personalities shape and change how you see the romance?  I know the lines are more or less the same if you want the romance to progress. but at least in our heads, each Shepard is different.

Mine has got an opposites attract thing going on with Garrus--she's strong where he's weak, and vice versa.  She's cool, logical, methodical, and deals almost exclusively in shades of grey.  Her instincts of compassion and moral "rightness" are pretty dulled after spending most of her life fighting and killing, but that's where Garrus shines and acts as a compass for her.  In turn, she reins in a lot of his excesses, especially evident during the Sidonis mission.  The tension in that shuttle...delicious 

The romance as a whole between them was also a lot more hesitant than I thought the game presented it, since she's also pretty skittish and commitment-shy.  Probably the only thing that gets her to mention her feelings to Garrus and initiate the thing is the very real possibility of her dying, either from Collectors or from Reapers in ME3, and her not wanting to go like that without having at least said something.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 01 novembre 2010 - 11:14 .

[CalJones]

I don't mind the scars. I hope the bandage comes off for the next game, though. Assuming he is in the next game, of course!

[Skyline_Stanza]

Hrmm, while I'm interested in seeing people's interpretations of the Garrus/Shepard romance, Garrus isn't paired with my Shep in my fanfic. Hence the sort of...unorthodoxy... (Shep's with Liara.)

Anywho, enough of me. Onto your interesting explanations! Gogogo!

Modifié par Skyline_Stanza, 01 novembre 2010 - 11:27 .

[AlphaDormante]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

I've actually got a question for y'all related to this.  How do your individual Shepard's personalities shape and change how you see the romance?  I know the lines are more or less the same if you want the romance to progress. but at least in our heads, each Shepard is different.

Hoo boy. Humongous wall of text incoming, folks. Like. Really big. Sorry about that...I could stand to learn when to shut up <_<

Majorie Shepard--my main Shep--is very hesitant when it comes to letting other people in. She's an Earth-born Sole Survivor; she grew up on the streets, fending for herself when she wasn't running with groups whose life expectancies were never impressive. She learned not to get attached. Then she grew up, and joined the marines, and for a while it was better. They were stronger. They had guns and armor and looked out for each other. It was different, because where you used to see kids whose loyalties only went as far as their next meal or high, you now saw marines watching each others' backs, never leaving each other behind. People would still die, and were expected to...but nobody treated everyone else like they were. She started to think maybe she didn't have to be alone.

Then fifty marines died in one swoop. As suddenly as her hope came, it was snuffed out. In the end, none of that camaderie they had mattered. They still died, liking them, just made it hurt more. It was easier back when she never got attached.

By nature, though, Majorie is a Paragon. Even after Akuze, she found herself surrounded by people who marched on, same as every Akuze marine ever was. The allure of it was too strong. Eventually, she settled on a medium--she would get close. Just not let them in. It was as simple as that.

Simple in theory, anyway. She started out cautious, but come ME, she'd been hopelessley converted. Speaking to each of her squadmates and getting to know them on a personal level gave her a sense of happiness that she became addicted to. But she never forgot her initial vow to never let anyone in. Regulations made that easier. Kaidan...may have been the one exception. But she never went all the way with him. That whole relationship isn't something she's proud of, because in the end she knows it meant far more to Kaidan than it did to her.

Then she died.

Surprisingly, that didn't change much of the gray zone she'd settled into concerning relationships with others--likely because it happened to her, and not someone else. But now she's with Cerberus operatives. The people Coombs said were responsible for Akuze. Joker is the only person she trusts from the start. Even Kaidan, when she met him on Horizon, proved himself someone she couldn't rely on (though she felt like she deserved that after leading him on).

That left Garrus. The one person who's had her six from the beginning. Nowhere near as close as Kaidan, but at this point Majorie saw someone she knew and trusted and latched on. It wasn't until later that she learned how much he matured--how he had had his own squad, experienced their deaths, and how he never discussed his personal life. Just like her.

And that's what drew her in. When Garrus talked, she couldn't smile and nod and wonder what it was like to grow up with family or go to a biotic school. He never talked about that kind of stuff.  For the first time, she felt like the person in front of her understood. Understood what it was like to lose everyone in the blink of an eye, what it was like to have a past you just didn't want to face, what it was like to shift between black and white until all you see is gray. The only difference is that Majorie knows what to do with most of her grays.

He's worth it. Garrus may be the only person in her life she feels understands her, and it makes her willing. If she ever finds it in her to confide in him--that's when she'll know what to do with this final shade of gray she's never figured out.

Modifié par AlphaDormante, 02 novembre 2010 - 07:13 .

[lovgreno]

I think Garrus deserves a bit of privacy actualy. He doesn't have to tell Shepard everything as long as he knows he/she supports him as a friend or lover. Wich I think he knows at the end of ME3 actualy. Gvie him a hug or a brofist and he will do fine.

[lovgreno]

CalJones wrote...Assuming he is in the next game, of course!

Don't imply such terrible things here please. Of course our hero Garrus will be back in the squad! ...Right?

[Onyx Jaguar]

Unless Shepard's crew went and got themselves spaced to even the score

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Skyline_Stanza wrote...

@ Tasha

(Slightly OT)

Well, y'know, when the fanfic bug hits you, things snowball from there. Mostly, I'm writing to address issues I thought weren't rightly addressed within the game, like squadmate interactions and Shepard's overall emotional outlook on being brought back from the dead.

Like I mentioned earlier, I'm going to have two squads of three, with Garrus and Miranda at the lead respectively, going out and performing the sidemissions, as a way to keep thier skills sharp when they finally go through the O4 relay.

So getting Garrus down is paramount, both in terms of his team leading and his personality... I also kind of have him in a really unorthodox romance. I blame my ME addiction coupled with weird dreams. 

Weird dreams? A really unorthodox romance? Even more unorthodox than a turian and a human? Please, do tell... 
I really like your interpretation of your femshep AlphaDormante, mine likes to show a tough exterior, she does renegade choices whenever dealing with enemies, but she isn't made out of steel. One reason why I thought the locker scene in ME1 was quite cool, and at the end of the LotSB DLC. 
Also, she is a vanguard wielding a vindicator assault rifle, which means she likes distance when she's fighting, a bit like in her relations with others. What I like about Garrus, is that he has had a really rough life, but yet, he is still able to make jokes, and be casual about it. He always rises abobe it, and doesn't let his past affect himself or others.
On that note, I believe it's time for another Garrus quote!! 
Shepard: I'm offering you to be my friend. You don't wanna be my enemy.
Garrus: They have a way of... dying.  

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Just a quick link that you guys will like. It certainly made me laugh!!



The funniest bit is at 8.00 mins in. The guy did a little bit of chipping and changing with a certain scene containing Garrus talking about his scars, and Mordin. Teehee!

[kglaser]

I agree with the interpretation that Garrus would want to keep the scars on purpose to punish himself for the loss of his team.

[Sable Rhapsody]

AlphaDormante wrote...

Hoo boy. Humongous wall of text incoming, folks. Like. Really big. Sorry about that...I could stand to learn when to shut up <_<

Hey, I like walls o' text.  It means I'm not the only one who puts such crazy detail into the characterization of my Shep.  Mine's actually quite similar to yours--Earthborn, Sole Survivor, difficult to get close too--but mine's Paragade rather than Paragon.  She can be extremely callous and ruthless when the situation calls for it, and rarely loses a wink of sleep for it.  

It does make the Garrus romance interesting, though, because he DOESN'T lay all his issues on her.  (Looking at you, Thane and Kaidan <_<) I get the feeling that Garrus is trying to keep these things from Shep in an effort to make her life easier.  She doesn't need to hear about his mother or his sister or whatever--she just needs him on the Normandy and there for her.

[Evelinessa]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

I never thought of the saving money aspect, but that's a really valid point and makes me more confident that Garrus will stay
By the way, I never got the chance to thank Evelinessa (or Guardian Angel - sorry, same profile pic don't know which!) gave me the link earlier! I never knew about Jacob and Tali getting extra lines...

Also, I am a bit of a newbie on here... So could someone please tell me how you all do your cool signatures? Do I just click on the hyperlink?
And about Garrus' personality, he seems very tense to me in everything he does - except for when he is fighting. May explain for his lack of confidence in most things but fighting. I think that's why Shepard is attracted to him, because he seems to have a lot of scars (emotional as well as physical) that all need healing. He reveals plenty of times in numerous conversations and comments from place to place about how he has had a really hard life, it must be more than Sidonis' betrayal, because in ME1 he was always very tense and talked about his difficult life too. For this reason, I feel that Garrus' story is far from complete, and LotSB hints at this by revealing things that - even as Garrus' lover - we never even had a clue about. There is so much more to our favourite character than we know from the current ME series...

It was me. You're welcome .

Hm, how I did it was I went on an older Garrus Thread. The first post had a bunch of banners on it. I picked which one I wanted and right clicked it. I think I picked copy. Then I went to the left of the page under my profile picture and went over profile then picked forum settings then I pasted the banner into the box and saved it.

Also, I don't mind Garrus' scars but I kinda want him to get rid of that bandage. It's starting to bug me.

[Evelinessa]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

I don't think BioWare have said anything to hint that they want ME3 to be more standalone.  If anything, the scant indications we've had so far are to the opposite, with the devs talking about letting the third game wildly branch based on games 1 and 2's decisions, and not having to worry about tying the third game's ending back together for a fourth.

And you know, if we were talking any other dev team and any other game, I'd be right there with you on the not getting my hopes up.  But I feel the ME team have earned a little bit of my trust.  Before ME2, the Tali and Garrus fans clamored and begged for romances with the characters.  The fanbase as a whole really wanted them to return as squaddies.  I was pretty sure after the Archangel video we were getting Garrus on our squad, but no indication came as to romance, and I was convinced it wasn't going to happen.  I load up ME2, and ZOMG.  Garrusmance, and an ADORABLE one to boot.  They did in fact listen to us, even though they were probably convinced it was going to be a niche thing and even presented Thane as a more humanoid alien LI.  

tl;dr--I've got faith in the dev team for ME3--they earned it, let's hope they don't squander it.

I heard the whole standalone thing from some posters in a different thread. I know they couldn't make too many consequences in ME2 or there would be too many variables in ME3. I hope that the sidequests in ME1 have consequences for ME3 since we got emails for them but nothing else(besides a couple cameos). The ME2 sidequests didn't really have us making choices except for a couple so I can't see them having that much of a difference in ME3. So yeah, hopefully ME3 will have drastic consequences.

So hopefully we're making a difference by posting here and we can see Garrus in ME3. I want them all to come back or at least the LIs. But I need Garrus to come back. I will be annoyed if he doesn't have that much dialogue though.

[Sialater]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

AlphaDormante wrote...

Hoo boy. Humongous wall of text incoming, folks. Like. Really big. Sorry about that...I could stand to learn when to shut up <_<

Hey, I like walls o' text.  It means I'm not the only one who puts such crazy detail into the characterization of my Shep.  Mine's actually quite similar to yours--Earthborn, Sole Survivor, difficult to get close too--but mine's Paragade rather than Paragon.  She can be extremely callous and ruthless when the situation calls for it, and rarely loses a wink of sleep for it.  

It does make the Garrus romance interesting, though, because he DOESN'T lay all his issues on her.  (Looking at you, Thane and Kaidan <_<) I get the feeling that Garrus is trying to keep these things from Shep in an effort to make her life easier.  She doesn't need to hear about his mother or his sister or whatever--she just needs him on the Normandy and there for her.

Hey,  now... None of that.

My Shep's an Earthborn/SS and a paragrade vanguard.  I had to go into so much detail for her, I wrote her into two different fics.

[AlphaDormante]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Mine's actually quite similar to yours--Earthborn, Sole Survivor, difficult to get close too--but mine's Paragade rather than Paragon. She can be extremely callous and ruthless when the situation calls for it, and rarely loses a wink of sleep for it.

My Shep's a Paragade too She's Paragon by NATURE, but growing up as she did she learned that sometimes you have to kill if you want to survive. In fact, she's glad that the Renegade decisions she makes as a commander/spectre benefit more people than just herself. She prefers diplomatic solutions, but if that clearly is not going to work (for example with Mr. Fancy Glowy Tech Man in Miranda's Loyalty mission), she'll shed no tears in getting rid of them.

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Just a quick link that you guys will like. It certainly made me laugh!!

LOL!! That whole video is gold!

Modifié par AlphaDormante, 02 novembre 2010 - 08:44 .

[CalJones]

The renegade interrupt at the start of Miranda's mission is worth it just to see the expression on that salarian's face.

[lovgreno]

Paragade is the way to go. Especialy as I think Garrus is a bit of a paragade at heart, and who doesn't want to be like Garrus?

[kglaser]

I like to keep Garrus kind of guessing with my current Shepard (paragade). I don't just want her to do everything she thinks he might like, just because she's romancing him.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

AlphaDormante wrote...

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Just a quick link that you guys will like. It certainly made me laugh!!

LOL!! That whole video is gold!

Yeah, it is hilarious! There is one for ME1 too. Commander shepard is such a jerk ME1 and Commander Shepard is still a jerk ME2, both amazing! All the best of renegade Shepard. (PLus, Garrus was one of the characters this particular character always took with him on missions - good choice!!

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Thanks for the link Evelinessa! I tried it yesterday, hasn't worked yet, but I will have another shot when I haven't got 5 more mins on an internet cafe before going back to work! Do you happen to know if there is one with all the banners on please?

So that is why I have this crazy hyperlink at my signature!

[Sable Rhapsody]

Evelinessa wrote...

I heard the whole standalone thing from some posters in a different thread. I know they couldn't make too many consequences in ME2 or there would be too many variables in ME3. I hope that the sidequests in ME1 have consequences for ME3 since we got emails for them but nothing else(besides a couple cameos). The ME2 sidequests didn't really have us making choices except for a couple so I can't see them having that much of a difference in ME3. So yeah, hopefully ME3 will have drastic consequences.

So hopefully we're making a difference by posting here and we can see Garrus in ME3. I want them all to come back or at least the LIs. But I need Garrus to come back. I will be annoyed if he doesn't have that much dialogue though.

Word of Dev:

As we're doing parts one and two, we have a really difficult challenge in terms of creating very different outcomes and yet being able to continue the story. The good thing about the third one will be that we no longer have that constraint and things can diverge as far as we can make them go. 
That actually will be our goal with the whole trilogy. To take all of the things you've done in Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2 and then just let it go. Let it diverge into wildly different conclusions. That's the real fun of having played Mass Effect 1 and 2 and then going into the third one will be that you've set all of these things in motion and now we can let them diverge. I'm not worried that people will play it and think 'Oh well I missed all of this content that would have been different if I had made other choices' because what that does is make you interested in replaying it. 

From an interview that IGN did with Casey Hudson.  I'm inclined to believe the devs over the forumites on this one   If Hudson and the ME team were like, say, Peter Molyneaux, I might not give them the benefit of the doubt, but generally they're pretty good on delivering on what they say.