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[Kim Shepard]

Garrus is my favorite squadmate in both games (actually, I guess he's my favorite squadmate ever), so of course he's not included in the "characters I don't want to talk with" group. xD He's in the "keep going back to talk with him even though I know there are no new conversations" group. And Garrus' little jokes during missions are great. Even my EvilShep would appreciate the "that's a little extreme" and "laugh it up" dialogue.

Samara's recruitment was one of the last missions I did, with her loyalty mission being right before I recruited Legion, so I didn't have many conversations her and completely missed the story about Nihlus. But that's okay, I watched it on youtube.

[Stokely]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

However, Samara has loads to say, even though she is recruited later on, lots of conversations with her.

It's probably because she is a new character, same with all the others. She also represents a completely new piece of lore (justicars) to talk about. Come to think of it, almost all the converations with our squadmates (aside from romance and loyalty mission-related) were about getting to know them or their races/fractions/etc. So it's understandable that Garrus and Tali didn't have much to say. We need more casual talk in ME3 and less "tell me again about your IMMUNE SYSTEM".

[Kim Shepard]

I agree, casual or friendship conversations would be nice. Garrus' dialogue, even if there isn't much for MaleShep, is at least good at making the two of them sound like friends. The only time they don't is when Shepard doesn't recruit him in ME1... which makes me wonder, does he still talk about the "old times" on missions if there were none? I know his Normandy dialogue is different (because Shepard can't start the romance).

[Mresa]

Now that were talking about dialogue with the party members. I know this has been probably asked before but, does it bug anyone else that no one asks nothing from Shepard? Like about her/his parents, earlier life, possible regrets on something etc.

[Loki330]

CalJones wrote...

Best excuse ever not to have to, well, y'know.

Incedently most sugars are dextro, iirc. So it would be a rather 'sweet' thing to do. :innocent:

[Kim Shepard]

There are short conversations about Shepard's service history with Kaidan/Ashley, and I think Jacob asks about something (not sure, I kind of avoided him for fear of being trap-romanced). Does it bother me that there aren't more conversations like this? No. Does it seem strange that Shepard makes everyone tell their life story and they don't ask anything about him/her in return? A little bit, yeah. Would I like to see more of it? If they're done as well as the conversation after Virmire, definitely.

It would have been great to have a conversation like that with Garrus in ME2 about dealing with loss, and it could work for a Shepard of any background. A short talk would be best. Just enough to let him know that he's still a good leader, he doesn't have to blame himself, Shepard understands and is there for him. They could have done it after Shepard got the letter from his teammate's wife, and not bring up the letter (because she asks not to) but still talk with Garrus now that it's obvious the poor guy is still beating himself up over it. Oh well, that's what imagination is for.

[AlphaDormante]

I remember that there was an option to get some of the squaddies' opinions on the last mission in ME1. I'd have loved a system like that - knowing how Garrus felt about the decisions I made. If he or other squadmates ever gave me actual feedback on how I run things, I would probably take their advice to heart so long as it made proper sense to me.

[Stokely]

Maybe it is assumed that everyone already knows about Shepard's personal history?



Squadmates asking about how s/he feels would be great, though. It was hadnled nicely in LoTSB. But personally I don't want it to be overdone, especially with Garrus. He is just not the type to talk about feelings much, and so is Shepard (mine, at least). His romance did a great job in putting deeper meaning behind quite a few words (though not everyone seems to get it, which is sad)

[Collider]

We are discussing Garrus.

In the "The Sidonis Decision" thread, I pose the question, if the situation had been reversed, would Garrus stop Shepard from shooting Sidonis?



I myself am not sure of the answer. What do you all think?

[Loki330]

Depends how far you paragon'd/renegaded him I guess.

[SurelyForth]

Yeah, if you paragon him I think he'd intervene, especially after hearing Sidonis talk about what actually happened. He doesn't hesitate to interject, sometimes harshly, at other points and if Shep has been consistent in his/her handling of these sorts of situations, he would at least say something.

[Yunaito]

My Garrus is paragon,Anyway I think he was quite convinced to avenge his companions .maybe paragon he feel remorse forever,renegaded Feels free.So...I do not know if I made the right choice to save Sidonis.

[IndelibleJester]

I really don't think he would intervene either way. He might say something from his opinion, but actually taking action like grabbing your arm/blocking your view? No. Garrus is not the type to be able to read people, especially humans, well (as we all see in the romance), so he would not assume on our character.



Even though I know Sidonis is really angry at himself, I can never convince myself to stop Garrus from shooting him because that is what Garrus wants. Likewise for Garrus, and count the fact that he wouldn't know that Sidonis feels guilty.



Then again, I renegade him.

[Yunaito]

IndelibleJester said"is what Garrus want".maybe you're right.Maybe is just Shep paragon coscience.And He adapts Or understand ?Garrus really forgive him?

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

IndelibleJester wrote...

I really don't think he would intervene either way. He might say something from his opinion, but actually taking action like grabbing your arm/blocking your view? No. Garrus is not the type to be able to read people, especially humans, well (as we all see in the romance), so he would not assume on our character.

Even though I know Sidonis is really angry at himself, I can never convince myself to stop Garrus from shooting him because that is what Garrus wants. Likewise for Garrus, and count the fact that he wouldn't know that Sidonis feels guilty.

Then again, I renegade him.

I always see it that Garrus looks up to Shepard in ME1 in a student-mentor way. So if the situation was reversed, then Shepard would look up to Garrus in that same kind of way. So if Garrus would have shot him, then I think Garrus would let Shepard shoot Sidonis. He seems quite intent on justice, and his version of justice is an 'eye for aneye' (his mission name.) So if Sidonis was responsible for a squad of deaths through betrayal, then Garrus would definately let Shepard kill him.
If that makes sense?

[Kim Shepard]

I think Garrus would let Shepard kill him, which is good because my Shepards are a vengeful bunch who would shoot anyone in the way of their bullets. It would not end well for the squadmate who tried to stop my Shepards... because even if they're similar to Garrus in their opinions of justice, they're not open to new methods the way Garrus is with Paragon Shepard. They're very much set in their ways and won't change for anyone. Luckily, Garrus' trust for Shepard combined with his naturally Renegade sense of justice means that, if the situation were reversed, my Shepards would just get to tell him "nice work" and take him out to celebrate (you know, instead of straight to Dr. Chakwas for an "I told you not to stand in my line of fire").

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Kim Shepard wrote...

I think Garrus would let Shepard kill him, which is good because my Shepards are a vengeful bunch who would shoot anyone in the way of their bullets. It would not end well for the squadmate who tried to stop my Shepards... because even if they're similar to Garrus in their opinions of justice, they're not open to new methods the way Garrus is with Paragon Shepard. They're very much set in their ways and won't change for anyone. Luckily, Garrus' trust for Shepard combined with his naturally Renegade sense of justice means that, if the situation were reversed, my Shepards would just get to tell him "nice work" and take him out to celebrate (you know, instead of straight to Dr. Chakwas for an "I told you not to stand in my line of fire").

Yeah, I agree, you put in better words than I did though! My canon shep is merciless to enemies, but faithful to her squaddies (even the more annoying ones.) Very similar to Garrus in that respect. Garrus wouldn't intervene. But if, hypothetically, he did, then he would shoot Sidonis himself - a bit like what Shep can do to Dr. Saleon in ME1 - in order to spare (student) Shepard the guilt.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...
Yeah, I agree, you put in better words than I did though! My canon shep is merciless to enemies, but faithful to her squaddies (even the more annoying ones.) Very similar to Garrus in that respect. Garrus wouldn't intervene. But if, hypothetically, he did, then he would shoot Sidonis himself - a bit like what Shep can do to Dr. Saleon in ME1 - in order to spare (student) Shepard the guilt.

I wish that had been an option in ME2, like in ME1 with Saleon.  I wouldn't have taken it with my Shep, but I can definitely see the argument.  Sidonis really did cause a huge mess, and if you take a more hard-line approach toward justice, he does deserve to die.  But he deserves to die for the sake of justice, not revenge.

That was one lesson my Shep tried to drive home to Garrus at every opportunity.  When you kill someone, make sure you're doing it for the right reasons.  For justice, for the greater good, for mission success, for self-defense or defense of others.  But never, ever for revenge, spite, or hate, no matter what the situation.

Mresa wrote...

Now that were talking about dialogue with the party members. I know this has been probably asked before but, does it bug anyone else that no one asks nothing from Shepard? Like about her/his parents, earlier life, possible regrets on something etc.

Jacob does, actually.  As does Dr. Chakwas, very briefly., and Liara in the end of Lair of the Shadow Broker.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 10 novembre 2010 - 09:03 .

[PauseforEffect]

Hello, first time posting on a character fan thread so here goes.

Has anyone discussed about what kind of decisions Garrus would have made, had the Suicide Mission been his call? Hypothetically speaking....

On another thought, would it be redundant to have Garrus ask questions about human culture and compare it to turian culture? Maybe too excessive for developers since they already have race and character established.

[Yunaito]

welcome!!

Poor developers,They should make a DLC only for us

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...


I wish that had been an option in ME2, like in ME1 with Saleon.  I wouldn't have taken it with my Shep, but I can definitely see the argument.  Sidonis really did cause a huge mess, and if you take a more hard-line approach toward justice, he does deserve to die.  But he deserves to die for the sake of justice, not revenge.

That was one lesson my Shep tried to drive home to Garrus at every opportunity.  When you kill someone, make sure you're doing it for the right reasons.  For justice, for the greater good, for mission success, for self-defense or defense of others.  But never, ever for revenge, spite, or hate, no matter what the situation.

I completely agree with this. He had the right aim of justice, and Sidonis sure did deserve to die. But Garrus had the wrong motivation. If Shepard killed Sidonis, then Garrus could be taught that.

As to Garrus' choices in the suicide mission, are we including Shepard as a squaddie? Because Garrus was the successful leader of the second team, but he will be leading the main team to kill the big boss, so who else can successfully lead the second team?

Poor developers indeed Yunaito!

Modifié par Tasha vas Nar Rayya, 10 novembre 2010 - 10:00 .

[Kim Shepard]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

But if, hypothetically, he did, then he would shoot Sidonis himself - a bit like what Shep can do to Dr. Saleon in ME1 - in order to spare (student) Shepard the guilt.

So you're thinking of it as a complete change of roles between Garrus and Shepard, where Garrus was the team leader and Shepard as a squadmate? I was thinking of it as Shepard still being the leader, and also the one out for justice and revenge. So in that situation, it wouldn't make sense because Shepard is the one immune to consequences by being a Spectre. In the way you described it... yeah, that might be possible. I still think Garrus would understand the want for revenge enough to let Shepard take the kill, unless he's really worried about the trouble it would cause Shepard (similar to the way Shepard can kill the scientist for Toombs to save him from going to prison for it). Or, my personal favorite, he lets Shepard have the revenge kill and then takes the blame himself. If only there was an option like that with Toombs.

PrimalEden wrote...

Has anyone discussed about what kind of decisions Garrus would have made, had the Suicide Mission been his call? Hypothetically speaking....

For the entire suicide mission, or just the end decision? He does agree with keeping the Collector base, though he seems worried about what TIM will do with it when the mission is over. Aside from that, I think he would choose Tali for the vents (as I saw in my most recent playthrough of Legion's recruit mission, Garrus did not trust Legion at all, and didn't even want to take him/it with us), Samara for the biotic barrier, Shepard for team leader both times (I know he doesn't trust Miranda), Shepard and Tali for the final battle.

[Evelinessa]

Oh, wow I'm so far behind I'm not going to be able to respond to everybody.

Welcome to everyone that's new here!

Also, thank you to those who helped answer my questions.

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

I'm frustrated because he should have had more conversations than he did, pretty much everyone said they rushed to him after every mission just to be told that he was too busy calibrating . People love chatting to garrus for a reason. I can see that they care for eachother without needing words but I would also like some confirmation just to stop people from telling me it was a one night stand or that it really isn't a "real" romance. That's what bugs me most.

I think one of the big reasons people just think it's a one night stand(and I use to think this way) is because of the "blowing off steam" line. And I guess some things that Shepard says like "What if we skip right to the tiebreaker, we could test your reach with my flexibility." and "When should I book the room?" but mostly the "blowing off steam" line. If you take those lines away then there are alot of things there that show that the relationship is more then a one night stand.

I'll name some things but I don't think I'm going to get the quotes exactly right.

First Garrus says that "he knows Shepard can find something closer to home" which I take it how maybe he's nervous and he knows that Shepard can find a human which he thinks is better then him. Still I'm not that sure about this line.

And Shepard can say "I don't want something closer to home, I want you. I want someone I can trust"

Then Shepard worrys about making Garrus uncomfortable then Garrus will say that Shepard is making him "nervous, but never uncomfortable" Which makes me think why would he be so nervous about this if it was just a one night stand. He's usually a confident guy so I don't really see a reason for him to be that nervous if it wasn't a "real" romance.

Garrus will say that he "doesn't have a fetish for humans. But this isn't about that, this is about us" that makes me think that since the romance isn't based on physical attraction but rather trust then it isn't just for casual sex.

Then later on he says he wants "a few moments that are just for us before we throw ourselves into hell for the good of the galaxy" then Shepard will say "I want that too, Garrus".

For the romance scene I think he trys really hard. He buys the best wine he can afford that he probably can't even drink. He dresses up for the occasion. He puts on the Flux music which he hopes that she will like(even though he doesn't like it himself like he says in ME1). And he trys his best to complement her and then gets really nervous when he thinks he might have offended her. Then at the end he admits that he wants the relationship with Shepard to go right. He wants it to work out. Then Shepard will stroke his scarred cheek and Garrus shows his affection by the headbump. I think it adds to it by him reaching to grab her arm as the scene fades plus the music was so good near the end.

I would take a headbump any day over a Jacob/Miranda scene(I heard it was pretty much all stripping).

So I think that after you break everything down. The relationship does seem very real and I can't wait to see how it goes in ME3.

This is what I think anyway.

EDIT: Also, I hope he gets much more dialogue in ME3. He needs more. I love talking to him.

Modifié par Evelinessa, 11 novembre 2010 - 02:24 .

[IndelibleJester]

I always take Tali with me on my mission to get Legion, and just allow me to say that he is tottaly all for getting Legion if Tali is the other in the party, because she will say not to.

[Kim Shepard]

Evelinessa, I agree with everything you said about Garrus' romance. I'm not sure why some people don't think he's serious about their relationship, although I admit that Shepard can be played that way (there were a few lines I won't choose because I don't like the sound of them). But technically, all of the romances can be played both ways from Shepard's point of view. Garrus' romance is one of the best in my opinion, and it's my personal favorite.

Also, I think he touches her arm with the back of his hand rather than grabbing it? That's what it looked like to me, at least. It's sweet that he doesn't want to scratch her with those talons, even if he is wearing gloves.

IndelibleJester wrote...

I always take Tali with me on my mission to get Legion, and just allow me to say that he is tottaly all for getting Legion if Tali is the other in the party, because she will say not to.

Thanks for posting this. I wondered if that was the reason I didn't remember the line from my first playthrough, where I did bring Tali. When I replayed the mission just for combat practice and fun, I brought Thane as the second squadmate. So I guess they went back to ME1-style "we need one person with this opinion and one person with the other opinion" lines, which is disappointing.