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[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Turians appear to have very broad shoulders and muscular arms/chest. But when you see them in casual clothes, they have very thin legs, so I don't think they have much leg power. (Trying to stay objective here, but I feel the need to say that Garrus is stronger than all turians. He's just better than everyone really.)

On that note...

here's another Garrus quote: 'Only a Grey Warden can kill an archdemon. Or Garrus Vakarian.'

[Kim Shepard]

Krogan would be physically stronger than turians, definitely... but there are probably a few exceptions to that too. Garrus survived a long fight with a krogan battlemaster. We didn't really see how the battle went though, if Garrus was just that strong or if he used a lot of strategy when the krogan didn't. We know for sure that he was one of the best hand-to-hand fighters on his old team though, so I have no doubt that he could do well against a krogan in a fist fight even if he didn't win. It's not impossible - Kai Leng killed a krogan in a bar fight, and he's a human (who I assume has no upgrades that would come close to Shepard's).

Most other species look weaker than turians. Elcor are the only others I can think of that look bigger, but they'd be slow and at a huge disadvantage. (Can't comment on the yagh or whatever they're called because I've only seen them in screenshots.)

[Evelinessa]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Turians appear to have very broad shoulders and muscular arms/chest. But when you see them in casual clothes, they have very thin legs, so I don't think they have much leg power. (Trying to stay objective here, but I feel the need to say that Garrus is stronger than all turians. He's just better than everyone really.)
On that note...
here's another Garrus quote: 'Only a Grey Warden can kill an archdemon. Or Garrus Vakarian.'

Yes I noticed that about their bodies too. Garrus is probably one of the stronger turians.

Kim Shepard wrote...

Krogan would be physically stronger than turians, definitely... but there are probably a few exceptions to that too. Garrus survived a long fight with a krogan battlemaster. We didn't really see how the battle went though, if Garrus was just that strong or if he used a lot of strategy when the krogan didn't. We know for sure that he was one of the best hand-to-hand fighters on his old team though, so I have no doubt that he could do well against a krogan in a fist fight even if he didn't win. It's not impossible - Kai Leng killed a krogan in a bar fight, and he's a human (who I assume has no upgrades that would come close to Shepard's).

Most other species look weaker than turians. Elcor are the only others I can think of that look bigger, but they'd be slow and at a huge disadvantage. (Can't comment on the yagh or whatever they're called because I've only seen them in screenshots.)

I agree with this. I would like to see Garrus fight something hand-to-hand. I want to see a female turian too.

Yeah I agree even if Elcor are stronger I doubt they would be able to beat a turian because they're too slow. Also, you didn't play LotSB?


What would everyone like to see happen for Garrus in ME3 and for the Garrus romance?

I want Garrus to be able to do different things depending if I picked renegade or paragon choices with him. I want him as a squadmate and I want him to have more dialogue plus for the romance to have more dialogue and scenes. I want to give him a chance to lead something like the suicide mission but I want him to stay on the team. I want the romance to have some closure at the end. I want some kind of playable epilogue like DA but I would rather have more scenes then text. At least scenes for the major things(like LIs) and text for everything else but I would like all scenes. I want an "I love you" eventually. But I have a hard time thinking he will say it though.

Modifié par Evelinessa, 13 novembre 2010 - 10:20 .

[Sialater]

How about just talking more, whether we romanced him or not. Avery missed her little brother.

[Kim Shepard]

I trust BioWare with Garrus, so there isn't much I really want besides having him as a squadmate. More dialogue would be nice, but the most important thing is the quality. In both games, Garrus didn't have a whole lot of dialogue, but it all had a lot of meaning. And of course I want the romance to continue into ME3, but that's a given. Having more conversations available to friends (not exclusively to friends, just extra conversations for everyone that can build on the friendship) would be great. I also don't want required deaths for certain squadmates. Options like in ME2 are fine. No choices is not. As far as Garrus' character development goes, I'll leave that to his writers. They've done an amazing job so far.

And no, I don't have LotSB. I haven't watched any youtube videos of it either. The only yagh I've seen was on a motivational. xD I don't download anything. (Unfortunately, the PS3 version won't have Zaeed on disc with the other DLCs. I'm hoping there will be a sort of Ultimate Edition for Xbox at the end of all the DLCs that I can buy.)

[Evelinessa]

Kim Shepard wrote...

I trust BioWare with Garrus, so there isn't much I really want besides having him as a squadmate. More dialogue would be nice, but the most important thing is the quality. In both games, Garrus didn't have a whole lot of dialogue, but it all had a lot of meaning. And of course I want the romance to continue into ME3, but that's a given. Having more conversations available to friends (not exclusively to friends, just extra conversations for everyone that can build on the friendship) would be great. I also don't want required deaths for certain squadmates. Options like in ME2 are fine. No choices is not. As far as Garrus' character development goes, I'll leave that to his writers. They've done an amazing job so far.

And no, I don't have LotSB. I haven't watched any youtube videos of it either. The only yagh I've seen was on a motivational. xD I don't download anything. (Unfortunately, the PS3 version won't have Zaeed on disc with the other DLCs. I'm hoping there will be a sort of Ultimate Edition for Xbox at the end of all the DLCs that I can buy.)

I would be so angry if he had to die and I couldn't stop it. Same thing if I was required to sacrifice Shepard at the end of ME3. Yes I agree they should have more friend dialogue. And I agree, I think he is a very well written character. I get so excited thinking of all the possibilitys for ME3... I just hope Garrus is a squadmate.

I'm sure they will make an Ultimate Edition since they're doing it with DA:O. But DA isn't part of a trilogy so I don't know if that will make a difference.

[Kim Shepard]

Shepard being alive at the end is the most important thing for me. If Garrus had to die, I'd be really annoyed, but used to having my favorites killed off. Saren is my favorite out of everyone in Mass Effect... and you know how it ended for him. But Shepard is mine. I did not spend all of that time planning, playing, and replaying to have them all killed. I would just stop before the ending every time. I have a list of things I'd like to happen in ME3, but as long as my favorites are alive and together, the rest is just "what could have been."

There is a version of ME1 with all of the DLC included, so I can hope. I'd rather wait until they're done so I can have all of it instead of having them release it too soon and end up with the later stuff left out. (And I want that Saren statue. Why Shepard can have a model of Sovereign in her room but not the Saren statue makes no sense. xD)

[Evelinessa]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Shepard being alive at the end is the most important thing for me. If Garrus had to die, I'd be really annoyed, but used to having my favorites killed off. Saren is my favorite out of everyone in Mass Effect... and you know how it ended for him. But Shepard is mine. I did not spend all of that time planning, playing, and replaying to have them all killed. I would just stop before the ending every time. I have a list of things I'd like to happen in ME3, but as long as my favorites are alive and together, the rest is just "what could have been."

There is a version of ME1 with all of the DLC included, so I can hope. I'd rather wait until they're done so I can have all of it instead of having them release it too soon and end up with the later stuff left out. (And I want that Saren statue. Why Shepard can have a model of Sovereign in her room but not the Saren statue makes no sense. xD)

If they kill off one LI then the rest would have to be killed off too or that would be very unfair. At least with Virmire you can pick who you want to die so you don't have to worry about having to kill your LI. It would suck for me because if Shepard died then I can't have an ending with Garrus and if Garrus died then I can't have an ending with him. I would be very sad. And I think Saren is awesome. I think ME1 wouldn't have been as good without him. He is one of my favorite antagonists in a video game. I felt really bad when I had him kill himself. I think ME2 really suffered for not having an antagonist like him. I'm sad Saren killed Nihlus though. Nihlus is the only spectre we meet that doesn't try to kill us.

Are you talking about the platinum hits edition? I have that one and the only DLC it comes with is Pinnicle Station but not Bring Down the Sky. It comes with some other things on the bonus disc though. And I love the Saren statue.

Modifié par Evelinessa, 14 novembre 2010 - 02:47 .

[Evelinessa]

I have a question for you all..

I was reading another thread and a few people brought up something about the Garrus romance. Some people think that maybe Garrus and Shepard didn't actually have sex after the fade to black. What do you think?

[mellifera]

I think they did. Would be a total waste of all that researching beforehand if they didn't try xD And they're both receptive to and willing to work for it, so I don't really see why they wouldn't have.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Evelinessa wrote...

I have a question for you all..

I was reading another thread and a few people brought up something about the Garrus romance. Some people think that maybe Garrus and Shepard didn't actually have sex after the fade to black. What do you think?

Depends on the Shep, I think, and how individual people like to interpret the romance.  Personally, I like that flexibility to decide what did or didn't happen.  And honestly, the devs were never going to go into as much visual detail for the alien romances, and I'm ok with that.  I've yet to see a sex scene in a video game that didn't make me cringe, though DA:O takes the cake for worst I've seen thus far.

[mellifera]

Heh, I never really thought of it that way. To me the fade to black was really a matter of "do we really want spend the resources to animate this?" on the part of the devs, since it's a LOT different than animating scenes for the other species of alien we can romance (though hanar/human sex must be WILD). But I prefer a fade to black, and I think it is a lot sweeter to fill in the blanks yourself than awkward pixel porn.



I guess then, MY Shepard and Garrus did do it, and it wasn't so bad that they were throwing themselves in front of Collector guns xD Somewhere in the back of her mind though, Shepard was lamenting that she only gets laid right before missions that everyone thinks they're going to die in, lol.

[Aeowyn]

Lol Yuki.



I like the fact that they faded to black. Anything else would've just ruined the sweetness in the scene. Plus, as Sable said, considering DA:O (where I couldn't stop laughing until I got Cme's romance mod. And Yuki knows what I'm talking about when it comes to male Wardens and Morrigan/Leliana sex) I think it would've ruined the whole thing for me. My Shep and Garrus did do it as well.

[mellifera]

What, Aeowyn? You mean you don't want to see Shepard make this face or this face during a sex scene with Garrus?

But yeah, I'd rather it fade to black. If I think about it too much it gets all technical and biology class weird.

Modifié par yukidama, 14 novembre 2010 - 09:47 .

[Aeowyn]

Lmao, the first pic still makes me laugh.



Although if Garrus is a Squad member in ME3 (which I hope he is), would you want more romance scenes throughout the game other than "Oh **** we might die tomorrow let's have sex"?

[mellifera]

Hm. Romance, yes. Sex scenes? No. I don't care for sex scenes in general though, and don't think they'd be able to it justice unless they really work hard but the potential for "ohgodwhatisthis" is very high.

More acknowledgment from the outside and more scenes together as a couple would be nice though. Like, maybe your LI in general hanging out in your room a bit more instead of you just going to sleep alone talking to your hamster and dead fish and looking at your Fornax magazines. But really, as long as Garrus is around and they didn't suddenly forget they're together... I don't really mind if the story takes precedence. If Garrus isn't around, well, someone is getting half their face blown off and stuck in messed up armor forever too >:|

Modifié par yukidama, 14 novembre 2010 - 10:02 .

[Evelinessa]

Oh, I did prefer the fade to black I'm just asking what everyone thought happened because of how some people in another thread thought they didn't have sex.

I agree, if Garrus is a squadmate I don't want him to suddenly forget either. I would be really annoyed if he left the crew between games or if the romance isn't mentioned that much. I want to do more things with him that shows we're a couple and I want more romance dialogue and scenes throughout the game. Not a sex scene but some kind of romance scene. I just in general want the romances to be more in-depth. It would be cool if you get a little extra sidequest from Garrus in ME3. I know we will never get something like a loyalty mission but a short mission like Dr. Saleon would be nice.

[Collider]

I think the fade to black allows people to interpret the scenes how they wish. In particular the interspecies romances have a level of awkwardness that does make just cuddling on the bed very believable. Unless they make a reference in ME3 it'll probably remain to player interpretation.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Hmm, I never thought about that before Evelinessa. I always assume they got it on, because all the conversations led up to it. But, I can see what people mean, talking and then jumping right in bed is quite the step, and Garrus and femshep never did any sort of kissing before hand. So I can see why people are wanting more romance scenes, but it is an RPG, and the romance option is just a sub-plot, so it's difficult for bioware to do...

[Aeowyn]

They didn't really have a problem doing it in Dragon Age.

[Xsause]

When talking about the fade to black, one must keep in mind that, had they actually gone past the headbump, they would've had to create an entirely new model for Naked!Garrus. His pointy carapace isn't exactly a game sex scene designer's dream, either - it would cause way too many clipping issues and weird stuff to happen.



IIRC, they were planning for a lot more at first, but realized it just wasn't do-able at the moment.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Yeah, I agree with both of you. DA managed to do it differently to Mass Effect, but they didn't have different cinematic scenes for each LI. I prefer ME's romance sub plots, probably because Shepard is voiced (but I can't wait for voiced Hawke in DA2!)

Yeah, they would have to design naked turians. And next it would be naked drell, quarian (they've done asari, aka blue ladies.) And then make it 'romance' at the same time. But Garrus is hot. It's just that a lot of people won't want all the details of 'cross species intercourse.' And damn it, saying in that way doesn't help, now I feel all dirty and clinical.

*Ahem* Garrus slip!

[Mresa]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Yeah, they would have to design naked turians. And next it would be naked drell, quarian (they've done asari, aka blue ladies.) And then make it 'romance' at the same time. But Garrus is hot. It's just that a lot of people won't want all the details of 'cross species intercourse.' And damn it, saying in that way doesn't help, now I feel all dirty and clinical.
*Ahem* Garrus slip!

These just happened to jump right in to my face...

Not that I would mean there would be any naked turians, jumping off the screen right in to my face... I'll stop now.
*cough*

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Mresa wrote...

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Yeah, they would have to design naked turians. And next it would be naked drell, quarian (they've done asari, aka blue ladies.) And then make it 'romance' at the same time. But Garrus is hot. It's just that a lot of people won't want all the details of 'cross species intercourse.' And damn it, saying in that way doesn't help, now I feel all dirty and clinical.
*Ahem* Garrus slip!

These just happened to jump right in to my face...

Not that I would mean there would be any naked turians, jumping off the screen right in to my face... I'll stop now.
*cough*

Teehee! I think that's just me and my Garrus luuurrve!