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Garrus, my dear, you are hot and everything, but that is one scary ass smile! Let's hope he isn't a biter ;)

I believe Collider recently told us about that comment in Garrus' dossier 'won't develop fully under Shepard's command.' But after the death of his own squad being so recent, I don't think he will be ready to try that again. Realistically, he would stay with Shepard, he has no where else to go. Garrus' relationship has progressed to being equals with Shepard in ME2, the conversation reflects this, so I think if he is a squaddie in ME3. Shepard will allow him more leadership responsibilities, because he is very talented.

Another why I think the suicide mission was very good for Garrus, he led the team successfully every time. Even though, when Shepard picks Garrus, that mouthy Miranda just shrugs and says, "well, at least he's got experience." She is so jealous ;)

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Okay, I poke my nose out of Clan Vakarian for the first time in over a month and recognize almost nobody here. Disconcerting and also kinda cool. So hello tons of people I don't know but hopefully will get to know. This is what I get for being a virtual homebody.

I agree with Sable the devs were surprised by the amount of Garrus love. I think that is reflected by how much advertising time Thane got and by the level of content the Thane and Jacob romances got compared to Garrus.' Thane was largely a response to many women crying out after ME1 that they didn't get a malien option and were not content with Liara. I think Thane was designed to net the alien lovers plus some women who weren't okay with somebody as alien looking as Garrus. He's a very logical middle of the road choice.

I think Garrus was put in for the same reason he says himself. "Why the hell not?" I also think the response in newer DLC suggests that Bioware is responding to his popularity. First with Kasumi pretty well answering our pleas for confirmation that Garrus really did dig femshep and wasn't just doing it because femshep wanted it. "Rumor is Garrus really likes you." Now we have a bunch of legitimate new plotlines opened up in LOTSB via the dossiers. If you notice, Garrus' dossier is pretty well the only one to open new plotlines. The others are mostly just FYI or else confirm suspicions people already had or they were just lulzy.

It's like the devs are systmatically closing off most of the doubts that Garrus was a legit romance on equal footing with the others. This makes me happy. Even if his popularity ninjaed them, they are responding to it quite nicely.

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Silly pedantic semantical conundrum I have been meaning to run by some people for a while now. Is it more natural to refer to male and female turians "men" and "women" or just as male and female? I can think of a few instances where Garrus refers to himself as "man." "Never knew you had a weakness for men with scars." Yet some people think it sounds weird because it is a purely human term. It took me a while to wrap my mind around it, but I prefer it now.  Male and female sounds too clinical to me.  Do people have a preference here such as for writing fics and such? I have been wondering this for a while.

Modifié par Ragabul the Ontarah, 16 novembre 2010 - 05:57 .


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I would say man and woman rather than male and female. But I'm casual like that; I can see some aliens possibly taking offense at that.



Even though I find ME2 combat on the PC to be frustrating compared to how it plays on the 360, I do love being able to take (terrible) screenshots. I especially like this series because...well, it's perfect for my femShep:



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Before I can address that, there is something I keep forgetting to look up (only recently finished the games and sped through them)... are they all speaking the same language?

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yukidama wrote...

Before I can address that, there is something I keep forgetting to look up (only recently finished the games and sped through them)... are they all speaking the same language?


Nope.  They rely on electronic translators to understand one another.  It's used as a minor plot point in Thane's romance. 

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Yeah, that's what I gathered. So maybe gendered nouns that refer specifically to humans like "man" and "woman" are translated to give context and meaning to the listener? How do the translators know when not to translate certain words, too? Hmm. But yeah, using man and woman would be appropriate in this case anyway, since we're still humans speaking/hearing in English xD



@surely- I find Shepard's smiley face adorable in that scene too. D'aww.

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I am also interested in it from a fanfic writing perspective. I mean would you write "Solana arrived late for the Vakarian family reunion. All the men were in the living room watching clawball." Or. "All the males were in the living room watching clawball." The second one just sounds funny to me.

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I desperately want to see a game of clawball. It just sounds so...awesome. LOL

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That Garrus screenshot on the last page is adorable. xD

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I am also interested in it from a fanfic writing perspective. I mean would you write "Solana arrived late for the Vakarian family reunion. All the men were in the living room watching clawball." Or. "All the males were in the living room watching clawball." The second one just sounds funny to me.

Yeah, the second one sounds funny to me too. The first one sounds interesting. :) Garrus always uses the word "men" for himself and his team, so I'd go with that. The turian language probably has a more casual way of speaking just like human languages. And we know how Garrus doesn't like to sound "clinical"...

I'd like to see clawball too. Just a few scenes on one of those video ads we see in ME2. There was an ad for a Battle of the Citadel movie, so why not sports?

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Hey, Kim. Long time no see. And Kg! Feeling more familiar now.

I want to learn more about turian culture in general. I really want to visit a turian planet. I wonder why it's called clawball? We call football that because it utilizes the feet. Do you reckon turians use their claws in clawball in some way? If so, how do you think they do so? It sounds kinda like rugby or something from Cerberus news. Actually scratch that. Seems I remember racquets being mentioned.

Modifié par Ragabul the Ontarah, 16 novembre 2010 - 03:44 .


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I'd like to see a turian planet, female turians and younger turians too. The first time I saw Grunt, I knew he looked like a young krogan. I want to know what those differences are for turians. Right now, I'm guessing shorter fringe and a smaller collar. Possibly shorter leg spurs too? Just the kind of thing I think about after seeing all the cute fanart and trying to plan out my own ideas.

And now my idea of clawball is totally confused too. Racquets? I imagined something more like rugby too. A rough sport with a ball just small enough to fit in their hands makes more sense for the name.

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Here's a CDN story of clawball.

03/24/2010 - Clawball Legend Neno Raxirian Returns After Suspension
“After a five-game suspension, turian clawball legend Neno Raxirian is back on the scene just in time for the semifinals against the Tarax Threshers. Raxirian was suspended for having a jarvus-string racquet, an illegal advantage he claimed not to know about. Coach Helven can't wait to get the midfielder back into the mix. "He's got some rust to shake off, but I'd rather have a rusty Neno picking up grounders and sending them downfield than anyone else. He gets the ball to the shooters, and that's what matters". Raxirian himself is modest about his accomplishments. "I just want to put this behind me", he says. "I don't like black marks on my record, and I sure don't need any help putting that ball through against the Thresher line".”

I think female turians have no boobs and wider waists than the males and are probably a bit smaller.  Other than that I have no idea or clear preference though we do know from Revelation that female turians are distinguishable from males to a human both by sight and voice.

Speaking of little turians, how's Calix doing?  Also:

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OK, that last picture? D'AWWWWWW. Cutest. Thing. Ever. It makes me wonder what babies of other species look like too. Can't you just imagine little baby Mordin Solus with his huge eyes and his endless questions?



Anyway, back on topic. To be entirely honest, I'm not sure they'll include female members of other species in ME3. No need to for the salarians or krogan--there are lore reasons why we won't see females of those species. Same might go for the drell, since as a species they're so rare and don't often leave Kahje. But there's no excuse for not seeing more female turians or batarians, except that doggone body model work. Honestly, I'd rather them work on the plot than the body models, but it would be nice to see females of species other than human and quarian.

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Oh, I'm not gonna spit fire if there are no female turians. I know they will only do it if they have the time and resources, which they probably won't. But then, I never expected them to give me Garrus either. The way I see it there's no harm in letting them know their is fan interest in something. The worse they can say is no, right?

And I think we've a better chance for female turians than any other species. They pulled out an extra model for quarians so the precedent is there.

Have one more baby turian and then I'll lay off spamming pics. 

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It sounds like they pick the balls up from the ground with their hands, and then hit them with racquets? That was the impression I got, anyway. Pretty funny that the other team has "Thresher" in its name.

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

we do know from Revelation that female turians are distinguishable from males to a human both by sight and voice.

That's right, but... isn't it Retribution? (Because we're not letting any female turians near Saren. xD He's supposed to end up with MainShep. So let's not give him any other options.) I had the same ideas about their appearance too. If not in ME3, I'd like to see the females and children in futures games, comics, books, or wherever it makes sense to include them. But I agree that it would make more sense to see turian women in ME3 than any women of other species. They're in the military, and if I remember correctly, the one Anderson teamed up with was in the same building Udina works in... and we've been there.

Calix is great. :) That's one of the reasons why I want more information about what the kids look like, so I can have a very clear image of him. I don't even know what age they are when they get the tattoos. At least his unique fringe was easy to plan. It had to be equal to his level of awesome (and, when he gets older, very long).

Those turian children and babies are adorable. :D I've never seen the second one before. And I say keep posting them!

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 You're right, Kim, it's Retribution.  I get the titles mixed up.  Anyway, the third book with Orinia in it.  She was awesome.  I loved that little detail where someone had given her a plant for a present, and she put it out on the balcony and it was all wilted because she had forgotten to water it.  You could tell she was a first rate badass and had no clue about softer things.  It made my day.

And yes, I remember the Associate Fringe Property.  But the question is, who has a longer fringe...Saren or grown up Calix?  We've got a few turian biotics in Abduction now and they are awesome.  That's another I want to see in-game.  Turian biotics.  Natural that aren't a result of Rreaper meddling. 

And the only other baby turian pics I have are those old classic ones of Garrus.  There's two of them but I only know where to find the egg one quickly.  The black and white one I've seen but not in a while.  I know they are both buried back in the depths of this thread somewhere.  Until then, here's my favorite turian female concept that isn't NSFW.
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And now, I must crash for a bit.

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
 That's another I want to see in-game.  Turian biotics.  Natural that aren't a result of Rreaper meddling.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the idea with Saren was that he was a biotic to begin with.  Or was that in earlier concepts for Saren?  I is confuzzled.

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Kim's your expert on that one I think, but he didn't show any signs of biotics in Revelation as far as I recall. I'd have to dig up the links to the Saren/Reaper dissection we did way back when, but it seems we deduced that Saren wasn't a natural biotic after all.

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I thought "you humans are all racist" turian was a biotic. By the way he denied it.

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@Ragabul: I liked the details they gave us, like her short speech for the dead and the turian flag information. Retribution had a lot of awesome characters, and it's great that the first female turian we've ever heard of is an awesome one. But most of the turian characters have been awesome.

That's an interesting idea for the turian females, in the art. It's a nice touch that the fringe is slightly curved to make it easier to tell them apart. As for Saren's and Calix's fringes... I haven't decided yet. The planning for his appearance hasn't really gone past the teen years. The back fringe is shaped more like normal turian's instead of Saren's though, so I guess it could be hard to tell. At least they both have crazy side-fringe. Can't describe it very well, but Calix's will grow upwards, while Saren's grew out. Yeah, Calix is going to look like he has horns. xD

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the idea with Saren was that he was a biotic to begin with.  Or was that in earlier concepts for Saren?  I is confuzzled.

Saren expert here! I had thought that too, before Retribution came out. I'm not sure if you've read it yet, so here's a warning that spoilers are coming. Grayson gained biotic abilities from his indoctrination, much more than he would from the Red Sand they gave him. That, combined with the fact that Saren doesn't use any biotics in Revelation, makes us believe that his biotics come from Sovereign's implants. ...And now I want to look up Sarenfest. 

Edit: Victory is mine. Sarenfest starts here.

Stokely wrote...

I thought "you humans are all racist" turian was a biotic. By the way he denied it.

I must have missed this dialogue. What did he say exactly?

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Kim Shepard wrote...

I must have missed this dialogue. What did he say exactly?


H: I'm sorry, sir, but I'll need you to remove any biotic amp you might be wearing.
T: What! Why?
H: Unfortunately, sir, biotics can be used as a weapon. The rules require me to confiscate all amps. Could you please hand over yours?
T: I don't have one. I'm not a biotic.
H: Oh, when you objected, I thought...
T: You humans are all racist.

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This is what happens when you sleep! So many posts to reply to! Hehe, firstly, I would refer to turians as men and women, they are generic terms and refer to gender rather than species, unless you say 'man' as in 'mankind' or something, in which case it would be humans. All the other races refer to their kind as men and women: krogan, (asari,) quarians and drell. Secondly, they don't all speak the same language, as Sable said, during Thane's romance dialogue, he calls you siha. Shepard has never heard the word before and asks if her 'translator has just glitched or something, did you just call me, siha?' So they all speak different languages. I imagine Garrus will hear Shepard speaking his turian dialect, which is pretty cool.

The pictures are all great, I especially love the armour on the most recent picture, it's done really well.

As to female turians in ME3, I don't think we will get one. But I could be wrong, like Ragabul said, they brought male quarians, but I imagine that was much easier.

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@Stokely: Yeah, that does make him sound like a biotic who's trying to avoid removing his amps by saying he doesn't have any. xD And he had a turian ceremonial blade too. (Did they say it was 15 inches? That would look more like a sword.) But Shepard gets to walk in with heavy weapons. No one questions the Spectres.

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Before I can address that, there is something I keep forgetting to look up (only recently finished the games and sped through them)... are they all speaking the same language?


Nope.  They rely on electronic translators to understand one another.  It's used as a minor plot point in Thane's romance. 

The codex also mentions is translates slang. Not idioms though (like 'black sheep') which is one of the reasons Quarian/Volus lights not synching with the dialogue isn't Bioware being sloppy, it's actually Bioware being very clever.