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[Nilfalasiel]

Pacifien wrote...

Actually, I just noticed that I've made the assumption that in a squad, Garrus would immediately take a leadership role. I paired Jack with Grunt and Thane specifically because I thought those three squadmates would work best under conditions where they could work on their own terms without having to adapt to the demands of one particular leader directing the tactics.

So anyway... Garrus and two other squadmates with which he'd work the best. I think he'd work the best with more than just two, but have to consider the combination of all three. I think Garrus would work best with a squad that is disciplined but unconventional, so I thought of Mordin right away. Probably Zaeed then. Garrus plays the sniper, directing Mordin to areas of the battlefield that need a bit of a sneak attack. Zaeed I imagine likes to stick to his assault rifle, so he is the front line. Still, Zaeed likes to make sure he comes out alive, so he's not going to give Garrus an lip if Garrus tells him he has trouble coming his way.

Other ideas?

Actually, I don't think Zaeed would work well in ANY team. Considering his history of coming out alive with everybody else dead, it's a good thing the SM goes smoothly (if you do everything right), because otherwise, I can totally see him saving his ass first before anybody else's. He'll be compliant as long as his own immediate survival isn't in question, I think.

As for Garrus, I can see him working well with ultra-disciplined people like Samara, Thane or Mordin. Jacob and Miranda would technically fit the bill...but he doesn't trust Miranda (and she has a tendency to mouth off to superiors), and Jacob...doesn't like him very much. I can also see him working well with Kasumi, for some reason. Probably because they're both enthusiastic about combat and seem pretty compatible, personality-wise. There IS the slight problem that she's a thief though...Hmm...So maybe not.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 05 juillet 2010 - 03:38 .

[REMspace]

In SM, my first team leader was Miranda and it's always gone well. Instead Garrus always bring him with me in the SM. I Always saved all team members.

[Cerrydd]

Alright, for Stephi (and anyone else who'd like to have them):

Thane's combat lines
(he sometimes sounds like a robot... and shouts "Irikah!" one time)

Grunt's combat lines
(PURE GOLD, I tell ya! Includes "haahaahaa", "the crazy one's down (=Jack)", "little pieces are crap" and "I AM KROOGAAAN!". His ahem files are a lot less sexy than Garrus' though... )

If anyone has a request about soundfiles, let me know.

[sapphyreelf]

I always have Garrus be the Team Leaders during the first two parts of the SM. As much as I want him to be with my squad, my Shep knows that she can trust him to ensure that the other team succeeds - and that outweighs the rest.

[Nilfalasiel]

Cerrydd wrote...

Thane's combat lines
(he sometimes sounds like a robot... and shouts "Irikah!" one time)

Gosh...The "I don't want to compete with your dead wife" line suddenly has a lot more weight

Grunt's combat lines
(PURE GOLD, I tell ya! Includes "haahaahaa", "the crazy one's down (=Jack)", "little pieces are crap" and "I AM KROOGAAAN!". His ahem files are a lot less sexy than Garrus' though... )

Loool, I hadn't heard "the crazy one's down"! Then again, I don't think I've ever taken Grunt and Jack together anywhere...Oh wait, yes, I have. On her LM on Insanity. And she did die a couple of times, but I still can't remember Grunt saying anything. Although it's possible I couldn't hear it over the gunfire and the incessant pausing to make sure no one was trying to flank me.

If anyone has a request about soundfiles, let me know.

Mordin's combat lines? I'd be curious to know what he has to say. I don't take him along very often, but I do enjoy the way he goes "Not. Difficult."

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 05 juillet 2010 - 03:58 .

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In the SM, I send Tali like tech specialist, and Mordin to escort. Instead, I always have Miranda be the Team Leaders during the first two parts of the SM. I repeat, has always gone well. Garrus, instead, always carry with me throughout the SM. I always save all team members.

I don't think that Mordin would be suitable for the Team Leaders...

[Pacifien]

Cerrydd wrote...
@ Pac: you mean not only tactically compatible, but also personality/strategy/whatever compatible?

Yes. Otherwise people would mention what a great team Garrus and Miranda make (and they do, gameplay wise). I'm not even looking at how Garrus does leading the team during the suicide mission.

Three-man squad. No Shepard. From both games, who works best with Garrus not only tactically, but personality-wise, strategy-wise, ability-wise.

Garrus could work with a great many of the squadmates from both games, but there are bound to be a couple that work the best with him. Bring out his best abilities and vice versa.

For instance, Thane and him might like their sniper rifles and have respect for each other, but I don't think they'd work best together. Thane is not someone who works best as a team, but on his own. He'd work better on a team that doesn't need to rely on each other to bring out their best tactics, but whose tactics do compliment each other in some way.

I want to know why. It's really about understanding just what kind of soldier Garrus truly is. I think the Illusive Man purposely gave Shepard dossiers with as many varied sorts because no one knew what to expect when going to the Collector Base. Was Shepard going to need a well-coordinated military strike team? Was Shepard going to need multiple distractions? The refined biotic technique of Samara or the rage-filled biotic punch of Jack? So what skills was Archangel supposed to bring to the table? What does Garrus do best and which squadmates let him do that?

[sapphyreelf]

I know Miranda is capable of handling the team leader assignments on the SM, but my reasoning for using Garrus normally is:

1) As he isn't Cerberus, he's more likely to be trusted by the other squadmembers left behind.

2) Shepard wants him to see that he's a capable leader - and that the Sidonis thing is a fluke.

She trusts him. She wants her team to live, and she feels that he's the better choice to ensure that everyone gets out alive.

[Cerrydd]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Mordin's combat lines? I'd be curious to know what he has to say. I don't take him along very often, but I do enjoy the way he goes "Not. Difficult."

Mordin's combat lines

Ask and ye shall receive

[REMspace]

I agree with what you say, Sapphyreelf. But I'll take him with me in the normal team because I feel safe to have him at my side. :-)

[Sialater]

sapphyreelf wrote...

I know Miranda is capable of handling the team leader assignments on the SM, but my reasoning for using Garrus normally is:
1) As he isn't Cerberus, he's more likely to be trusted by the other squadmembers left behind.
2) Shepard wants him to see that he's a capable leader - and that the Sidonis thing is a fluke.
She trusts him. She wants her team to live, and she feels that he's the better choice to ensure that everyone gets out alive.

QFT.   But then, you know that.

I seriously need happy thoughts.  Meghan's Horizon Log was painful to write.

[REMspace]

Cerrydd, I take your "Mordin's combat lines" and it's too funny!! Have you recorded the voice of Mordin? XD

[sapphyreelf]

Sialater wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

I know Miranda is capable of handling the team leader assignments on the SM, but my reasoning for using Garrus normally is:
1) As he isn't Cerberus, he's more likely to be trusted by the other squadmembers left behind.
2) Shepard wants him to see that he's a capable leader - and that the Sidonis thing is a fluke.
She trusts him. She wants her team to live, and she feels that he's the better choice to ensure that everyone gets out alive.

QFT.   But then, you know that.

I seriously need happy thoughts.  Meghan's Horizon Log was painful to write.

Meghan's log was heartwrenching to read.
Garrus needs to take her out somewhere to use her Cain. That'll help.

[Sialater]

sapphyreelf wrote...

Sialater wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

I know Miranda is capable of handling the team leader assignments on the SM, but my reasoning for using Garrus normally is:
1) As he isn't Cerberus, he's more likely to be trusted by the other squadmembers left behind.
2) Shepard wants him to see that he's a capable leader - and that the Sidonis thing is a fluke.
She trusts him. She wants her team to live, and she feels that he's the better choice to ensure that everyone gets out alive.

QFT.   But then, you know that.

I seriously need happy thoughts.  Meghan's Horizon Log was painful to write.

Meghan's log was heartwrenching to read.
Garrus needs to take her out somewhere to use her Cain. That'll help.

Definitely the kind of date Meg needs.

[Cerrydd]

Pacifien wrote...

Garrus could work with a great many of the squadmates from both games, but there are bound to be a couple that work the best with him. Bring out his best abilities and vice versa.

For instance, Thane and him might like their sniper rifles and have respect for each other, but I don't think they'd work best together. Thane is not someone who works best as a team, but on his own. He'd work better on a team that doesn't need to rely on each other to bring out their best tactics, but whose tactics do compliment each other in some way.

There are a lot of squadmates who are used to working alone, or not in the same team for a long time. Samara is a justicar, Wrex and Zaeed were bounty hunters, Jack ran with various gangs, etc. I assume all of the squadmates are still recruited by Shep? If so, they all know what has to be done and I think they can put aside most of the differences to function properly.

Tactically, I'd let Garrus equip the sniper rifle for long-range damage, then 2 others for mid-range and close-range. He also is more of a tech (overload), so maybe mix it up with some biotics and a tank. Maybe Samara for mid-range (assault rifle) and biotics, and Grunt as a tank with his shotgun. Both Grunt and Samara are not leaders, so in that case Garrus would be the leader. Grunt is happy as long as he has something to kill, and depending on paragon/renegade Garrus, he and Samara could work well together. As long as he doesn't do anything that goes against her code.

Zaeed could work as a tank too, but as Nilfalasiel already said... I'm not too sure if we'll see Garrus back again after that XD.

If you'd send Garrus away with Jacob or Miranda and Shepard doesn't specify who is going to lead that mission, I think that could lead to some conflicts. They're all leaders, but Garrus is not a fan of Cerberus, Jacob is not a fan of Garrus and Miranda is not a fan of not being in charge.

Ehhh... Garrus-Samara-Grunt sounds good enough for me right now

@REMspace: No, I didn't record it. I took it from the game files

Modifié par Cerrydd, 05 juillet 2010 - 04:38 .

[REMspace]

During the game, I take always Garrus with me, along with Jacob, Grunt and sometimes Kasumi (not too often, though). I think the best pair of attack could be Garrus / Grunt, because Garrus has the experience (and is a formidable sniper) and Grunt has brute force.



@Cerrydd: Good job with Mordin' voice!

[Sialater]

Cerrydd wrote...


If you'd send Garrus away with Jacob or Miranda and Shepard doesn't specify who is going to lead that mission, I think that could lead to some conflicts. They're all leaders, but Garrus is not a fan of Cerberus, Jacob is not a fan of Garrus and Miranda is not a fan of not being in charge.

Truer words never spoken... er.... written.

[REMspace]

Yes, these are holy words...

[REMspace]

These are holy words...

[Pacifien]

Where did the idea come from that Jacob was not fond of Garrus?

[Sialater]

Too many cutting remarks if you play them off each other in the romances. Garrus never says anything negative about Jacob, but Jacob calls him a cuttlebone, and if you press too hard on Jacob's emotions after his LM, he tells you he's not in the mood for that and go try out your psychoanalysis on Garrus (or something to that effect).



I don't know if it's a personality conflict, or a racial one, though.

[REMspace]

Maybe it's just jealous of Garrus ....

[Bhatair]

Sialater wrote...
Jacob calls him a cuttlebone,

<_<

[Cerrydd]

Pacifien wrote...

Where did the idea come from that Jacob was not fond of Garrus?

Collider found this in Jacob's romance:

Garrus mention I found in Jacob's romance:

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Jacob: I'm just being honest. Big picture, there's way more important things to hold onto.

Shepard (concerned): Lying to yourself won't help. It'll just eat at you.

Jacob (angry): What I really don't need is someone telling me I don't know myself.
You think about my problems more than I do, and it needs to stop.
Maybe you should go hang on Garrus. He might suit you better. *ends romance*

IIRC, romance with Garrus wasn't even activated yet.

[Pacifien]

Doesn't that just make Jacob a jealous type in terms of romance and an extremely private person when it comes to feelings? Jacob and Garrus both want to work outside of the limitations of bureacracy, they both are soldiers, they both have done important missions that have been swept under the rug. And I find both of them to be simple blokes. Take out the equation of a female Shepard, is there a possibility of respect and/or friendship between the two?

I suppose Jacob's comments to Thane about mercenaries and assassins would lead you to think he'd have some issue with Garrus, but Garrus wasn't a mercenary on Omega, he was working against mercenaries on Omega. That should get cupcake points from Jacob.