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[Pacifien]

I remember seeing Collider's comments from the Jacob romance, but I actually took that more as Jacob saying he was seeing no compatability with Shepard at that point. She was digging into his personal life in a manner that he didn't like. I've certainly cut off any ideas of a romance with someone when I've noticed a distinct difference in personality like that. In that respect, Garrus does suit her better.

[Cerrydd]

The thing with Jacob is that I don't get the feeling he likes or trusts any of the squadmates on the ship. He's being an ass to Tali, AND Thane, who didn't do anything wrong apart from simply being an assassin. The cuttlebone remark could be pure jealousy, but also a racial slur, since he mentions 'drell eyes' when you dump him for Thane. Also, when you're romancing both Jacob and Garrus, he will confront you about this, and won't talk about 'Garrus' but 'the turian'. (edit: oh, he first says Garrus and then the turian...)

I'm sure he has some respect for Garrus and that they can work together when Shep is there, but I doubt Garrus/Jacob would be a great combination otherwise.

Modifié par Cerrydd, 05 juillet 2010 - 05:39 .

[Pacifien]

I bet Jacob likes the human squadmates. Cerberus stooge doesn't even realize it.

[Cerrydd]

Hehe, I'm sure he didn't join Cerberus because of the food.

[Pacifien]

Cerrydd wrote...
Hehe, I'm sure he didn't join Cerberus because of the food.

What was with that stingy food budget anyways? They'll provide leather seats and actual beds, but when it comes to a decent meal it's MRE #5?

[Bhatair]

Pacifien wrote...

Cerrydd wrote...
Hehe, I'm sure he didn't join Cerberus because of the food.

What was with that stingy food budget anyways? They'll provide leather seats and actual beds, but when it comes to a decent meal it's MRE #5?

This tastes like toilet paper!
That is the toilet paper, Earl.

[Brass_Buckles]

Because Garrus.

[kglaser]

Cerrydd wrote...

Grunt's combat lines
( "little pieces are crap" )

Haha!  OK, this definitely pushes me toward liking Grunt more.  Awesome.

[Nilfalasiel]

Cerrydd wrote...

Mordin's combat lines

Ask and ye shall receive

Thankees!

As for the argument that Thane is used to working alone, I say: better that than Zaeed, who's accustomed to ENDING jobs alone.

Since Garrus was a team leader himself back on Omega, he obviously has organisational qualities, the ability to see the big picture and to strategize. As a sniper, he probably keeps calm under pressure. So those would be the kind of qualities that Cerberus would've spotted in him. I still think he'd perform at his best with people who have a very strong sense of discipline, which is why I cited Thane, Samara and Mordin. Despite the fact that the former two are used to working alone, they also know how to keep calm under pressure and take orders. Kasumi also has the "working under pressure" aspect down pat. She can be calculating and precise, and I'm sure that's the kind of combat that Garrus enjoys. I believe he mentioned setting up ambushes with his team, saying that it was a very "clean" way of doing business. And those 4 strike me as being the best able to perform "clean" manoeuvres.

Grunt and Jack I both see as less than optimal fits, because they're both prone to spontaneous outbursts of "CHAAAARGE!". I can see how that might irritate Garrus and/or lead to trouble. I can also see how both could have authority issues.

Miranda and Jacob have already been covered. I do believe that Jacob has it in for Garrus a bit though. He could very well have mentioned Thane in that conversation where he tells Shep that Garrus might be a better fit. It would also have worked.

That just leaves Tali and Legion. Garrus would probably not trust Legion enough to work optimally with it, although it definitely has no problems working under pressure and being precise and calculating. Heck, it's perhaps the best suited out of all the squaddies in that sense. Tali...I'm kinda neutral on her. I don't think she'd have any problems working with him, and that drone of hers would certainly help control hairy situations.

[Pacifien]

kglaser wrote...
Haha!  OK, this definitely pushes me toward liking Grunt more.  Awesome.

Eeeexcelleeeeent.

[silentstephi]

Cerry! You win! Thank you for the awesome combat lines!



^.^

Garrus and squad leadership sans Shep?



Just because he's got a more military way of approaching it doesn't mean he can't adapt. I think really, if there's anyone he couldn't lead, it'd be Miranda. But only because of what Cerry pointed out. Oh, don't get me wrong, she'd DO it... but she'd be distracted and not at her peak.



As for Jacob and his dislike of Garrus, it's there. Jacob's Cerberus leanings are subtle but they're there. About the only one you can't really say he's got issues with is Mordin, but I think that was more kissing the ass of the scientist that's going to get your mission done than anything else. But other than his exemplary military record his subtle racism is probably why Cerberus WANTED him.

As for Jacob in a squad Garrus was leading... he'd do it, because he's still a soldier. And they adapt. (Improvise, Overcome, Adapt, I heard that CONSTANTLY growing up. : /)

[kglaser]

Pacifien wrote...

kglaser wrote...
Haha!  OK, this definitely pushes me toward liking Grunt more.  Awesome.

Eeeexcelleeeeent.

Oh, so now it's you and Cerrydd both trying to pull me onto the Grunt bandwagon?   It seems that I could be persuaded...I need to take him out more.

And regarding pairing Garrus with Kasumi, I think Garrus could work very well with her despite her "profession", given that his loyalty is to Shepard and he respects her decisions enough to follow them even if he doesn't agree (given that s/he doesn't give him a completely outrageous order that no one in his right mind would follow).  I think that if Shepard wanted the two of them to work together, there wouldn't be a problem.  I know that's not exactly what was asked earlier, but I wanted to get it out there.

[Brass_Buckles]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Cerrydd wrote...

Mordin's combat lines

Ask and ye shall receive

Thankees!

As for the argument that Thane is used to working alone, I say: better that than Zaeed, who's accustomed to ENDING jobs alone.

Since Garrus was a team leader himself back on Omega, he obviously has organisational qualities, the ability to see the big picture and to strategize. As a sniper, he probably keeps calm under pressure. So those would be the kind of qualities that Cerberus would've spotted in him. I still think he'd perform at his best with people who have a very strong sense of discipline, which is why I cited Thane, Samara and Mordin. Despite the fact that the former two are used to working alone, they also know how to keep calm under pressure and take orders. Kasumi also has the "working under pressure" aspect down pat. She can be calculating and precise, and I'm sure that's the kind of combat that Garrus enjoys. I believe he mentioned setting up ambushes with his team, saying that it was a very "clean" way of doing business. And those 4 strike me as being the best able to perform "clean" manoeuvres.

Grunt and Jack I both see as less than optimal fits, because they're both prone to spontaneous outbursts of "CHAAAARGE!". I can see how that might irritate Garrus and/or lead to trouble. I can also see how both could have authority issues.

Miranda and Jacob have already been covered. I do believe that Jacob has it in for Garrus a bit though. He could very well have mentioned Thane in that conversation where he tells Shep that Garrus might be a better fit. It would also have worked.

That just leaves Tali and Legion. Garrus would probably not trust Legion enough to work optimally with it, although it definitely has no problems working under pressure and being precise and calculating. Heck, it's perhaps the best suited out of all the squaddies in that sense. Tali...I'm kinda neutral on her. I don't think she'd have any problems working with him, and that drone of hers would certainly help control hairy situations.

I haven't seen the scene but I do believe that the way Jacob phrases it, it's a direct insult to Garrus.  Someone quoted him last thread I think?  Anyway it seemed to me like Jacob was implying Garrus doesn't know who he is/that Garrus, unlike Jacob, is malleable and Shep can make him into whomever she likes.  The bad part about that is that it is somewhat true, although I think it speaks highly of Garrus that he's willing to accept help with his problems rather than pretend that they aren't really problems.  And also there are some aspects to Garrus that just aren't going to change.  I don't think he'll ever become completely paragon, for instance, and he'll never enjoy the sight of civilians being harmed.  Or take orders easily for that matter (he even argues with Shep from time to time in both games, and speaks out of turn--something I doubt a good turian would do).

[Pacifien]

kglaser wrote...
Oh, so now it's you and Cerrydd both trying to pull me onto the Grunt bandwagon?   It seems that I could be persuaded...I need to take him out more.

Touch the keystone, kglaser!

[kglaser]

Ugh...I don't know where that keystone has been. And I's all out of Clorox wipes!

[Kim Shepard]

My reaction to Garrus' recruitment was probably different from everyone else's because I read all the spoilers and knew he would survive. So there wasn't any shock or worry, just "poor Garrus... but I know he lives!" The only concern I had was that the strategy guide made it sound like Garrus didn't have a real romance, but I believed what I read on the forums over what was in the guide. Tali's romance wasn't even mentioned there.

I've never had Grunt and Jack on the same team before. xD That "crazy one" line is hilarious.

I'm not sure who would work best on a team that Garrus was commanding... maybe a combination of Tali, Thane, or Grunt. Garrus and Tali should be used to working together after ME1, Garrus and Thane seem to have a lot of respect for each other, and I doubt Grunt would have a problem with Garrus because, like he says, they're both from Shepard's clan. Now I'm thinking about how awesome it would be to watch Grunt charge into battle with Garrus and Thane using their sniper rifles from cover. (Actually, that would work pretty well, right? Grunt as tank, Garrus and Thane as snipers with tech/biotics?)

@ kglaser: I like Grunt too! ...I just haven't posted in Grunt's thread. xD I mostly stay in the Garrus thread/group.

@ Brass_Buckles: Does Garrus ever disagree with Renegade Shepard? MainShep and MaleShep went Renegade on his missions, and I can't remember a time when he disagreed with them.

[Pacifien]

kglaser wrote...
Ugh...I don't know where that keystone has been. And I's all out of Clorox wipes!

Embrace the bacteria. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger, the krogan way.

Also, it prevents drug-resistent bacteria from becoming more predominant.

[Andaius20]

Hello folks how's the thread progressing? I see we're playing with sound files now!

[Brass_Buckles]

@ Brass_Buckles: Does Garrus ever disagree with Renegade Shepard? MainShep and MaleShep went Renegade on his missions, and I can't remember a time when he disagreed with them.

He definitely disagrees with renegade Shep in ME1 when you're talking to the Terra Firma Party guy.  If you renegade that conversation, I'm pretty sure you'd tick Garrus off.  I suspect the same is true whenever you pick a pro-human conversation choice (and those are all renegade).

[Pacifien]

Kim Shepard wrote...
My reaction to Garrus' recruitment was probably different from everyone else's because I read all the spoilers and knew he would survive. So there wasn't any shock or worry, just "poor Garrus... but I know he lives!"*snip*

I knew Garrus was in the game, but when he was shot down by the gunship, I was convinced I had missed something during the mission that resulted in his death. Like I forgot to steal the gunships fuel tanks to ensure it couldn't fly or something.

Turns out I did miss something the first time I did that mission, which was reprogram the YMIR mech. Just walked right by that room. But yeah, knew that had nothing to do with Garrus getting shot at that point.

Would have been interesting if there were ways Shepard could actually fail recruitment missions. Like Samara takes one look at your scarred, glowing renegade face and says "I don't think so."

[Brass_Buckles]

More Garrus.

[Cerrydd]

Pacifien wrote...

Would have been interesting if there were ways Shepard could actually fail recruitment missions. Like Samara takes one look at your scarred, glowing renegade face and says "I don't think so."

Oh hell yes. When Garrus 'died' after the rocket I really thought I did something wrong. It would have been interesting if BW did something like that.

[Andaius20]

Medi-gel indeed.