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[Nilfalasiel]

Lol @ overdramatic Shep

Brass_Buckles wrote...

He definitely disagrees with renegade Shep in ME1 when you're talking to the Terra Firma Party guy.  If you renegade that conversation, I'm pretty sure you'd tick Garrus off.  I suspect the same is true whenever you pick a pro-human conversation choice (and those are all renegade).

I've never actually heard what Garrus says during that convo. He gets overridden by both Wrex and Kaidan. I should try with a different squaddie, since I've resigned myself to making a separate Shep for Thane now. So hopefully he doesn't get overridden by Tali or Liara...because Ash will be decorating Virmire again!

Also, that last Garrus pic is a tad...scary. Where are his eyes?

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 05 juillet 2010 - 06:57 .

[Christmas Ape]

Just kind of chiming in on my way to bed that Grunt is a sorely underappreciated character.

I think given a while for them to find their common ground, and with Shepard to nudge him along here and there, he'd work just fine with Garrus. Primarily as 'the distraction' or 'the breaching charge', but still. It's good to have someone everybody's looking at when you're scoping heads from across the way.

[Brass_Buckles]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Lol @ overdramatic Shep

Brass_Buckles wrote...

He definitely disagrees with renegade Shep in ME1 when you're talking to the Terra Firma Party guy.  If you renegade that conversation, I'm pretty sure you'd tick Garrus off.  I suspect the same is true whenever you pick a pro-human conversation choice (and those are all renegade).

I've never actually heard what Garrus says during that convo. He gets overridden by both Wrex and Kaidan. I should try with a different squaddie, since I've resigned myself to making a separate Shep for Thane now. So hopefully he doesn't get overridden by Tali or Liara...because Ash will be decorating Virmire again!

Also, that last Garrus pic is a tad...scary. Where are his eyes?

I've gone back in time (ha!) and I was using that program that someone linked to early in the 2nd thread (I think?)  Details tend to disappear and you can't undo or erase anything you've done.  I had bookmarked the program.  I remember that before when someone linked it, it led to a whole lot of Garrus sketches.  Flammie was still around back then.

mrdoob.com/projects/harmony/

[Cerrydd]

I made my first masterpiece using that site.

[Kim Shepard]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

@ Brass_Buckles: Does Garrus ever disagree with Renegade Shepard? MainShep and MaleShep went Renegade on his missions, and I can't remember a time when he disagreed with them.

He definitely disagrees with renegade Shep in ME1 when you're talking to the Terra Firma Party guy.  If you renegade that conversation, I'm pretty sure you'd tick Garrus off.  I suspect the same is true whenever you pick a pro-human conversation choice (and those are all renegade).

Yeah, Garrus or someone else would probably disagree there... although, I don't remember anyone making a comment about Shepard's decision, just a comment to Terra Firma guy (Saracino?), but I only watched youtube videos of the Renegade response. I was thinking of a Shepard who makes a lot of Renegade decisions, especially the ones on Garrus' missions, but not one who hates aliens. I guess the choices my Shepards made were the ones Garrus would agree with. (I don't really count some of the main decisions in ME1, since the squadmate opinions change depending on who's there.)

@ Pacifien: Shepard can reprogram a mech? Maybe I missed it too, but it has been a while since I played through his recruitment.

That would be interesting if some squadmates refused to work with Shepard, or quit the team over certain decisions Shepard makes. I think most of them would try to get over any problems with Shepard for the good of the mission, but it could be possible for some of them... maybe in ME3.

[silentstephi]

That'll make Cerry happy. XD Yea, I think I posted that here after seeing it over at NSAS. It's a fun program.

Especially when the random first line you draw looks like a certain krogan pervading the thread. XD

Also - I firmly believe Samara really should be offin' my Renegade's ass after the SM.  Like seriously... she signs up in the beginning probably due to her honor code... but after she gets to know Shepard a bit more?  Yeeeeeeeeeea.
She's gonna kill meh. XD

Modifié par silentstephi, 05 juillet 2010 - 07:09 .

[Cerrydd]

Heeeee baby Grunt... gahh I should really get back to drawing.

[Steel Dancer]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Cerrydd wrote...
Hehe, I'm sure he didn't join Cerberus because of the food.

What was with that stingy food budget anyways? They'll provide leather seats and actual beds, but when it comes to a decent meal it's MRE #5?

Yes, I never really understood this either. No expenses spared and then you get sawdust to eat? What?

Cerberus loves the big and flashy things, but the minor details escape them.

Small things like decent rations, door alarms, common sense, proper health and safety planning, morals and ethics, etc...

[silentstephi]

3.0 Updated



Much easier to update this archive.

Back to the grind stone. pages 800 to 900 before tonight! I swear! >.>

And I think I've decided on the format I'm going to present this in once I get all the raw links compiled. I will need the comm's help though to refine the categories even futher. But that's at least a week away,

[Brass_Buckles]

More colorful this time but I feel like he looks too much like an animal. The Garrus model looks very "person-like" somehow in-game.

[Christmas Ape]

Brass_Buckles wrote...


More colorful this time but I feel like he looks too much like an animal. The Garrus model looks very "person-like" somehow in-game.

If I may? It's the longer jaw and the seeming side-of-the-head eye, combined with the way it sits 'forward' on the neck. All traits seen in animals, prey species in particular with the eyes.

[Ritara]

hi everyone just wanted to say super for the new thread and to support Garrus!!!Go Garrus,GO Shepard is with you all the way!!;)

[Collider]

Squad mates working with Garrus...

Jacob - As previously mentioned in the thread, I don't think Jacob likes Garrus. I don't know why (insecure?), but he doesn't. It's possible Jacob would act contrary to Garrus' commands to prove something. I don't think Jacob would trust Garrus.

Jack - I think is too unstable. Garrus had enough guilt about Sidonis to want another loose cannon in his squad. She's also pretty much the embodiment of the people Garrus dislikes.

Grunt - See Jack.

Miranda - I don't think Garrus trusts Miranda (that's what he says to her, anyway). Trust and cohesion in the squad is important.

Mordin - I could see this one working. Being STG, I imagine that Mordin has an ability for unconventional fighting.

Samara - Garrus can be "renegade" at times, but he would not intentionally kill innocents in the way that Samara would, if they got in his way. I think Garrus would disagree with Samara's philosophy, but other than that, they should get along decently in a team I guess - it's hard to say more than decent because they don't seem to interact with each other in-game.

Tali - This one would work for the fact that they've teamed up before and trust each other. The Quarian military specializes in hit-and-run tactics and other unconventional strategies. Tali got the best training the Quarian fleet can offer. Her skills would work well with Garrus' guerrilla warfare.

Thane - I'm inclined to think that Garrus does not agree with Thane's philosophy, but they'd still get along well I think. Probably mutually respect each other for the other's skill. Biotics a plus.

Zaeed - Better than Jack, but Zaeed is still a one-man army type guy. He doesn't seem to work particularly well in squads (of course, gameplay excluding for obvious reasons).

Kasumi - This one would also work. Kasumi has an ability for stealth attacks. I think Garrus would respect her infiltration and stealth skills, even though he would disagree with her profession (thievery).

Modifié par Collider, 05 juillet 2010 - 08:59 .

[lovgreno]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

@ Brass_Buckles: Does Garrus ever disagree with Renegade Shepard? MainShep and MaleShep went Renegade on his missions, and I can't remember a time when he disagreed with them.

He definitely disagrees with renegade Shep in ME1 when you're talking to the Terra Firma Party guy.  If you renegade that conversation, I'm pretty sure you'd tick Garrus off.  I suspect the same is true whenever you pick a pro-human conversation choice (and those are all renegade).

The aliens don't like the "humanity first" options, for rather obvious reasons. But you can choose the "all aliens together" options and still get high renegade points.
I find it hard to imagine the aliens staying friends or lovers with Shepard if s/he picks the humanity first path. They may stay to defeat the reapers but not out of loyalty or friendship.
It would be great if some choices had the effect that you could have squadmates X but not squadmates Y in ME3. I would find it hard to not being able to have Wrex, Tali and Garrus though, but choices should matter.

[Pacifien]

Collider wrote...
Samara - Garrus can be "renegade" at times, but he would not intentionally kill innocents in the way that Samara would, if they got in his way.*snip*

Samara doesn't kill innocents. She has killed those who have purposely put themselves in the way of her investigations, but I'm sure a Justicar feels obstruction of justice is not an innocent act. But she'll actually drop an investigation to save an innocent, which is how Nihlus got the better of her.

Garrus, however, has considered killing innocents. He ordered C-Sec to fire on Saleon's ship even though Saleon had hostages and was close enough to the station to put it at risk as well. Depending on how you play Shepard, he could continue with that trend.

[Whatever Works]

Yeah, that aspect I am hoping that they go more on as it has great potential as he could either go full renegade or paragon. Losing himself if you will

[Collider]

Pacifien wrote...

Collider wrote...
Samara - Garrus can be "renegade" at times, but he would not intentionally kill innocents in the way that Samara would, if they got in his way.*snip*

Samara doesn't kill innocents.

Debatable. I would consider those police officers to would hold her up to be innocents. They are just doing their jobs. But Samara would kill them.

Garrus, however, has considered killing innocents.

And Samara hasn't? She's perfectly okay with killing them herself - if they are in her way. Destroying Saleon's ship wouldn't be killing the innocents because they are in his way, but instead would be trying to kill Saleon. The fact that there were hostages was a matter of circumstance. Garrus was not intentionally trying to kill them. Samara would in they were in her way.

He ordered C-Sec to fire on Saleon's ship even though Saleon had hostages and was close enough to the station to put it at risk as well. Depending on how you play Shepard, he could continue with that trend.

I'm not sure about "ordered," because it didn't happen. Garrus did not have the proper jurisdiction. And you have to admit, this scenario is different. Presumably, the hostages on Saleon's ships were mutilated and dying already. Either you let the ship go and have those hostages die of horrible experiments, or you take it down.

I'm not saying that Saleon's ship should have been destroyed. Garrus accepted not killing Saleon and simply arresting him, in his sidequest, too. I don't think Samara and Garrus are that comparable.

Definitely, Samara's dogmatic belief in the Justicar Code is less morally acceptable than Garrus' way of thinking, IMO.

[Brass_Buckles]

Christmas Ape wrote...
If I may? It's the longer jaw and the seeming side-of-the-head eye, combined with the way it sits 'forward' on the neck. All traits seen in animals, prey species in particular with the eyes.

The eyes are wrong, yeah, but that's in part a limitation of the program (kept wanting to make them a lot bigger than they should be, so that the eye there doesn't look angled as it should).

I think I got the face too angled, which lends to the look of the jaw being long.  He's got a long profile, but it's more vertical toward the front than I drew it there.  Next time I draw Garrus I need to use some screenshots as a ref or something.  It's hard to draw a long face/head without making it look like an animal, and it doesn't help that I'm better at drawing animals than people in the first place.

Also I need a ref for the face paint.  I know that there's at least one "broken" part on the end of the upper paint and that the upper prong at the back of his mandible breaks at least once (I seem to remember another break on either the bottom prong or the top prong of the paint?).

Also he doesn't have the visor, which doesn't help matters.

Speaking of face paint!  I know that silentstephi's been archiving the turian facial markings, and some of them seem to be the same in one place and different at the top or on the jaw or whatever.  So I happened to think this might have something to do--and maybe the color does too--with that particular turian's rank within the Hierarchy.  The fancier your face paint and the more parts of your face that are painted, the higher-ranking a turian you are.  This would explain the very elaborate paint seen on Nihlus and the turian councilor versus the relatively simple paint of most other turians.  Also it would indicate that Garrus isn't very high on the turian totem pole, but more so than a turian who just has his mandibles painted or just has that line of paint on the upper part of his face.  I'm not sure which of those variants is more common, but I'm guessing whichever's the more common one is the lower-ranking turian.

Modifié par Brass_Buckles, 05 juillet 2010 - 09:49 .

[Cerrydd]

Collider wrote...

Debatable. I would consider those police officers to would hold her up to be innocents. They are just doing their jobs. But Samara would kill them.

The justicar code is weird and stupid at times, but she doesn't always kill innocents. The only reason Nihlus didn't find peace in the embrace of the goddess when he crossed Samara is because she got the choice to kill an innocent or let him go. She chose the latter and was impressed that Nihlus knew how to use the code against her.

But the code is still weird.

[Collider]

Cerrydd wrote...

Collider wrote...

Debatable. I would consider those police officers to would hold her up to be innocents. They are just doing their jobs. But Samara would kill them.

The justicar code is weird and stupid at times, but she doesn't always kill innocents.

I know. But she would be willing to. It's hard not to criticize immensely her willingness to kill police officers for doing their jobs. I definitely think that Garrus is much better morally than her.

[Sialater]

Garrus wanting to shoot Saleon's ship wasn't renegade because of the already walking dead man hostages, but because Saleon was too close to the Citadel and would have damaged the station or any civilian ships.

[Bhatair]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Lol @ overdramatic Shep

Brass_Buckles wrote...

He definitely disagrees with renegade Shep in ME1 when you're talking to the Terra Firma Party guy.  If you renegade that conversation, I'm pretty sure you'd tick Garrus off.  I suspect the same is true whenever you pick a pro-human conversation choice (and those are all renegade).

I've never actually heard what Garrus says during that convo. He gets overridden by both Wrex and Kaidan. I should try with a different squaddie, since I've resigned myself to making a separate Shep for Thane now. So hopefully he doesn't get overridden by Tali or Liara...because Ash will be decorating Virmire again!

Also, that last Garrus pic is a tad...scary. Where are his eyes?

I've gone back in time (ha!) and I was using that program that someone linked to early in the 2nd thread (I think?)  Details tend to disappear and you can't undo or erase anything you've done.  I had bookmarked the program.  I remember that before when someone linked it, it led to a whole lot of Garrus sketches.  Flammie was still around back then.

mrdoob.com/projects/harmony/

Ugh damn you for that



Now I wish I had some sort of artistic ability
There goes the rest of my day anyway lol

[Andaius20]

Garrus is magic, Goes from Mantis to Viper in less than one conversation!

[kglaser]

Pacifien wrote...

Would have been interesting if there were ways Shepard could actually fail recruitment missions. Like Samara takes one look at your scarred, glowing renegade face and says "I don't think so."

This is great!

[Pacifien]

Collider wrote...

Cerrydd wrote...

Collider wrote...
Debatable. I would consider those police officers to would hold her up to be innocents. They are just doing their jobs. But Samara would kill them.

The justicar code is weird and stupid at times, but she doesn't always kill innocents.

I know. But she would be willing to. It's hard not to criticize immensely her willingness to kill police officers for doing their jobs. I definitely think that Garrus is much better morally than her.

It's not just a Justicar thing, it's an asari thing. Anaya knew she was about to put herself between a Justicar and the Justicar's goal. She knew it would mean her death. Not even sure why her superiors were even telling her to get in the way of a Justicar. The asari were so worried that Samara would cause an incident with a non-asari while at the same time revering her. Oddly enough, Samara knew Pitne For had something to do with the Eclipse, but she did nothing against him. Anyway, it's not like Anaya would have lied down and just taken the beating Samara would have laid into her, but I almost can hear her saying "I don't blame you" as she died. Or maybe I'm hearing the Portal turrets. I don't know.