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[Kim Shepard]

I did think a choice between saving Earth or a human colony and an alien planet/colony could happen in ME3, but with the way that trailer looked seems like saving Earth will definitely happen. I bet the difference will be in Shepard's methods and allies. ME3's description suggested that we'll be building an army to fight the Reapers, so there's a good chance that includes possible help from the turians. That's something to look forward to.

I can understand why the Reapers chose humans out of the available species - the quarians have problems with their immune systems, krogan have their rage problems, asari don't have much genetic diversity, etc. What I'd like to know is more detail about why the Reapers need to use other species for reproduction, and why only one species was considered good enough when their evolution was guided by the Reapers. I'm sure the answer isn't that much beyond our comprehension like Sovereign said.

I have high hopes for ME3 too. Every BioWare game I've played so far was awesome, so I have no reason to doubt them even though I worry about a few things.

[Evelinessa]

Faerlyte wrote...

Well yeah, I could see it coming. I wasn't HAPPY about it, but I saw it coming.

I don't mean so much actually hitting a button and watching it go boom, but more along the lines of having to make a difficult choice that may involve sacrificing Earth, which you're right - going with the flow of the games so far would more likely be a paragon choice.

I don't care for the self-serving attitude in the game towards humans. Even with the good (paragon) characters there is an air of entitlement, and that rubs me the wrong way. I didn't like it in ME2 when the Reapers decided that we were "special" and I don't like it now that it comes down to saving Earth from machines because the rest of the species in the galaxy aren't good enough.

But it's just a trailer in the end - it really doesn't tell you much and as more is revealed I'm sure things will start to feel more like Mass Effect again, to me at least.  I expect the game will be good regardless because it's Bioware.

EDIT: I didn't mean to submit it like that...I was still working on it...sigh..

I agree. I don't like how humanity is treated "special" either. I like the aliens much more then the humans. Oh, I also hope that the full game is more colorful. The way the trailer looks isn't very much like Mass Effect(I know it's supposed to look like that because Earth is being destroyed but I hope it isn't like that for the whole game). I also hope that the whole game doesn't take place on Earth. Also, when it is time to recruit the Turians I hope we get to go to Palaven instead of going through the council(like some people say will happen).

[Kim Shepard]

I'm sure Shepard won't spend the whole game on Earth. Recruiting the other races still needs to happen (or not, depending on Shepard's choices, but the missions should still be there). Hopefully the Council is a separate group to convince, and not a representative for all turians, salarians, and asari. Technically, isn't it possible to have an all-human Council? Going to individual planets for each species would be better. That way, I can be nice to the turians and still get to taunt the Council with an "I told you so" and "dismiss this."

[emeraldeve]

I wanted to romance Garrus since the first Mass Effect but then the second game came along and i was excited, then yeah- it didn't lead up to much for me.  I was glad to finally tell Garrus my FemShep liked him but it seemed that was all I could do.

Miranda and Jacob got more 'face time' and more of a digital take on their bodies looking lifelike. seriously? am i supposed to imagine my FemShep unclipping his hidden armor snaps and possible velcro? <_<

I hope in ME3 we see female Turians, AND what @ least Garrus looks like without his 'toilet bowl' around his neck as my sister called it. In the first Mass Effect the sex scene was pretty similar with either love interest= human or alien. But ME2 seemed to take it down a notch.  Garrus and Thane had a personal, heart felt discussion with FemShep but i didn't really feel like there was LOVE. it was an opening of minds between the two rather than hearts it seemed, and that saddened me.

what do his shoulders look like? 

are his legs really that skinny? 

why do his boots have that little stick sticking out, does he have a horn on his leg? 

broad shoulders?! 

tiny shoulders?! 

where are the female Turians? do they look and sound just like the guys, is that why we haven't seen any? does this also go for the Salarians? 

i know the game will be great when it comes, its just the romance situation i would like more to. i wouldn't want to hint to the GareBear that i like him then he ask if I'm serious and ~VIOLA!~ i cant say anything else until the talk-love-scene.... seriously 

with him being a veteran character i thought they would pay more attention to hum, @ least as much as they did for the new characters, Miranda and Jacob, and their love scene.  I didn't even get to lay down next to him @ least...

i will choose Garrus in ME3 but i beg bioware to do more than they did with Garrus in ME2 

Modifié par emeraldeve, 12 décembre 2010 - 09:09 .

[lovgreno]

Kim Shepard wrote... A female turian squadmate, possible romance option and/or biotic, would be even better. (Because my poor Colonist Sole Survivor MaleShep deserves a happy ending.)

Seriously that would be so very cool of BioWare. But you know how it is in games: Females, especialy LI, must be good looking and the only way to look good is to look like a female human supermodel. Yawn. Hopefully there will be more aliens in Shepards crew than just a single token of each spiecies but I have a feeling we will only see one turian. But considering that said single turian will probably be Garrus Vakarian I can live with that. My femShep certanly can.

But maaan... A turian gal with style and badassness = Total win and I am so giving BioWare my money.

It looks like humanity will take a big beating though. How good that my Sheps are friends with most turians so they can move to Palaven when it's all over.

Modifié par lovgreno, 12 décembre 2010 - 09:30 .

[Evelinessa]

Kim Shepard wrote...

I'm sure Shepard won't spend the whole game on Earth. Recruiting the other races still needs to happen (or not, depending on Shepard's choices, but the missions should still be there). Hopefully the Council is a separate group to convince, and not a representative for all turians, salarians, and asari. Technically, isn't it possible to have an all-human Council? Going to individual planets for each species would be better. That way, I can be nice to the turians and still get to taunt the Council with an "I told you so" and "dismiss this."

Yeah, all-human council is possible. It would be really awesome to say "Ah, yes" to the Turian Councilor. I hope the game is long too. I want to see lots of turians and hopefully a female turian squadmate.


@emeraldeve

At first I was a little disappointed with the Garrus romance but alot of it you have to kind of read between the lines. Garrus does care for Shepard and Shepard cares for Garrus. Garrus is so nervous because he doesn't want to mess it up with Shepard and he trys so hard during his romance scene. It helps hearing things like what Shepard says to Liara and Mordin and what Kasumi thinks of the relationship. The whole "I want something to go right just once...just.." means that he cares enough about Shepard that he really wants it to work between them. I actually think them not showing anything more then a headbump made the relationship more meaningful. If they showed any kind of sexual stuff then that would've reinforced my initial opinion that it was friends with benefits(I don't think this way anymore). I don't mind if we see him shirtless in ME3 though...

[Sable Rhapsody]

Evelinessa wrote...

I agree. I don't like how humanity is treated "special" either. I like the aliens much more then the humans. Oh, I also hope that the full game is more colorful. The way the trailer looks isn't very much like Mass Effect(I know it's supposed to look like that because Earth is being destroyed but I hope it isn't like that for the whole game). I also hope that the whole game doesn't take place on Earth. Also, when it is time to recruit the Turians I hope we get to go to Palaven instead of going through the council(like some people say will happen).

There's a very good reason for the focus on humanity, even without taking Shepard into account.  After ME1, the Alliance's forces represent the bulk of the fleet defending the Citadel.  Humanity are either ascendant or dominant politically and militarily.  Human politicians and human cells like Cerberus are the only ones taking steps against the Reapers.  

Then you add Shepard.  The first human Spectre, who led the Citadel assault against Sovereign, then personally destroyed two Reapers in ME2 and the Collector Base.  The Reapers are going for Earth first for a simple, logical reason--we're the most dangerous to them.  If they'd invaded a few centuries earlier, they'd have gone after the turians.  They're interested in eliminating the greatest threat as soon as possible.  From there on, I'll bet they don't care who they kill.  But humanity has to go first if they're to succeed quickly.

Also, did anyone else's jaw drop when they saw multiple Reapers landing in London?  ZOMG.  How the hell ass balls are we supposed to contend with that?  I don't want to see Earth burn, I really don't, but I know my Paragade Shep will feel compelled to turn her back on Earth if it means saving more lives elsewhere 

[Kim Shepard]

I had my whole post typed out... and then lost it. >_< Okay, let's try this again.

@emeraldeve: I much prefer ME2's romance scenes to ME1's. They're different for each character, and I liked the scenes with more emotion (Garrus, Tali, Thane) rather than the more physical romance scenes of Miranda and Jacob. Even though Shepard and Garrus never say that they love each other, Garrus trusts and respects Shepard more than anyone else in the galaxy. He says that, and he shows it. (And Thane actually does say that he loves Shepard in his LotSB letter.)

Garrus does wear a casual outfit to the romance scene - it's not his armor, and neither is the big collar, although it looks larger in armor than it really is. Turians do have broad shoulders, thin legs (except Saren, who is the only turian with a unique body model) and legs spurs (the "horns" you mentioned). There was a female turian in Retribution who had an office on the Citadel, so the only reason they haven't been showed in-game is because they would require a different body model, and I guess it was just decided to be unnecessary in the first two games. The book didn't describe them, but they must look different than the males because Anderson didn't have any trouble telling them apart. Hopefully we'll get to see for ourselves in ME3, or at least have a description.

I hope that answered some of your questions. There's a turian concept art that could help you see things like the collar and leg spurs, but I don't have the image. (Garrus thread members, at least one of you probably has this saved?)

@lovgreno: Well, BioWare didn't think anyone would want Garrus and Tali as romance options either way back in ME1... so maybe they learned by now. xD It does seem like we'll only have one of each alien species if we judge it by the past two games, but maybe there's a chance for more since we'll be building an army. Who knows? Another member of each species we recruit might join Shepard on the Normandy to give the point of view of their species as a whole (as we know, Garrus isn't the best example of a typical turian, and the same goes for most of our other squadmates). Yeah, I made up that idea just now, but wouldn't it be cool?

@Evelinessa: There are three different options I'd like my Shepards to have when talking to the turian councillor.

1) "Dismiss this, councillor!" *points to the Reaper fleet*
2) "Ah yes, "Reapers." I thought you dismissed that claim." *disconnects comm channel*
3) The hilariously paranoid "You said they didn't exist. You said I was crazy. But I knew!"

@Sable Rhapsody: If there was an option to save Earth or a turian planet/colony, that would be very cruel to MainShep. She'd want to save the turians, and she's a Colonist, so she's never even been to Earth, but she also wants to continue working with TIM (and she knows he's the only one with resurrection technology). At least it doesn't look like a choice will need to be made, and Shepard will save Earth. That's the impression I got from the trailer.

[Sable Rhapsody]

OK, y'all. So having now pored over the trailer, I'm forced to conclude that the humanoid figure our sexy British sniper takes a shot at does match the profile of a turian.



The figure's definitely humanoid. It doesn't seem to shuffle like a Husk. It's roughly the same size of the woman the sniper's covering, so it can't be anything significantly different from a human in size (krogan, vorcha, yahg, scion, etc.) Too bulky for an asari or salarian either.



I suppose it could be a distorted human, but the proportions for a normal human just aren't right. We get a few frames of it from the side, then a few frames from a head-on view as it falls. The figure in question has a humanoid structure, narrow waist, long legs, and a broad chest. That matches the profiles of a few known species: turian and Collector.

[Kim Shepard]

In Clan V, a few people said it looks like a husk. I can't really comment because I can't see it well at all through the fog. A turian wouldn't make much sense, at least from what we know now, but Collectors are a definite possibility. The Reapers don't want to destroy all humans if they still want to build another one of them.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Kim Shepard wrote...

In Clan V, a few people said it looks like a husk. I can't really comment because I can't see it well at all through the fog. A turian wouldn't make much sense, at least from what we know now, but Collectors are a definite possibility. The Reapers don't want to destroy all humans if they still want to build another one of them.

Unless it's a new kind of husk, it doesn't fit the proportions.  Unless it's a turian husk or something, the form is too distorted to be human, even a husked human.  Honestly, what it looks most like--this was pointed out in a different thread--is a darkspawn shriek from DA:O 

As for the Reapers, I'm wondering if they still do want to build another out of humans, or if they've decided it's too much trouble and to just wipe us all out.  Humanity has given them quite a lot of trouble for being a bunch of bratty upstarts.  

[Lady Dino]

Kim Shepard wrote...

~snip~

What I'd like to know is more detail about why the Reapers need to use other species for reproduction, and why only one species was considered good enough when their evolution was guided by the Reapers.

~snip~

All I want to point out here is that we don't actually know what the reapers had planned. We don't know that they only choose one species. Perhaps, in light of Shepard's success against them, they decided that humans should be the first to fall. As simple as taking out the most threatening target first.

I can back this up too. Remember the Rachni Queen talking about her song being soured? Most people believe this to be Reaper meddling, and for the sake of my argument lets say it is. So here we have the reapers using the Rachni as Vanguards, now who was it that rofl-stomped the rachni? Oh, yes, The Krogan! My bet is that,at the time the reapers were planning on making a krogan reaper, but then the Krogan were hit with the genophage, and their numbers dwindle. Solution? Saren.

He cures the genophage. In ME1 we all thought he was crazy for wanting a Krogan population boom, we assumed that he was going to use indocturnation to control them. And, maybe that's what Saren himself thought, but we all know that indocturnation is sloppy, and potentionally lethal, its more likely that the boom was intended to get the krogan numbers back up to reaperifying levels. 

Once again their plans are thwarted, but this time by the new comer race, Humans. So they investigate, kill Shepard and take his/her body for research, discover if s/he is an isolated threat, or if the whole of humanity is as cunning, and determined. It's here that they match wits with TIM, and find that, no Shepard is not the only human threat.

Now a new plan is born, create a human reaper and eliminate the human threat, and from there hit the other races. Then, Shepard puts an end to this new found plan, and the reapers must "find another way". This time screw making another reaper, just out right genocide. 

Thats all just speculation of course, it's also possible that the reapers have a human fetish, but to me, that just seems a bit boring, and unimaginative. 

[Evelinessa]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

There's a very good reason for the focus on humanity, even without taking Shepard into account.  After ME1, the Alliance's forces represent the bulk of the fleet defending the Citadel.  Humanity are either ascendant or dominant politically and militarily.  Human politicians and human cells like Cerberus are the only ones taking steps against the Reapers.  

Then you add Shepard.  The first human Spectre, who led the Citadel assault against Sovereign, then personally destroyed two Reapers in ME2 and the Collector Base.  The Reapers are going for Earth first for a simple, logical reason--we're the most dangerous to them.  If they'd invaded a few centuries earlier, they'd have gone after the turians.  They're interested in eliminating the greatest threat as soon as possible.  From there on, I'll bet they don't care who they kill.  But humanity has to go first if they're to succeed quickly.

Also, did anyone else's jaw drop when they saw multiple Reapers landing in London?  ZOMG.  How the hell ass balls are we supposed to contend with that?  I don't want to see Earth burn, I really don't, but I know my Paragade Shep will feel compelled to turn her back on Earth if it means saving more lives elsewhere 

Yes, this does make sense. I might have trouble saving Earth too if I could be saving more lives elsewhere. Especially if they're Turian.

Kim Shepard wrote...

@Evelinessa: There are three different options I'd like my Shepards to have when talking to the turian councillor.

1) "Dismiss this, councillor!" *points to the Reaper fleet*
2) "Ah yes, "Reapers." I thought you dismissed that claim." *disconnects comm channel*
3) The hilariously paranoid "You said they didn't exist. You said I was crazy. But I knew!"

Yeah, I would definitely want to say something like that. I wonder how long it will take for the council to realize the Reaper threat?

This is the picture, right?

[Aeowyn]

Kim Shepard wrote...

In Clan V, a few people said it looks like a husk. I can't really comment because I can't see it well at all through the fog. A turian wouldn't make much sense, at least from what we know now, but Collectors are a definite possibility. The Reapers don't want to destroy all humans if they still want to build another one of them.

Why wouldn't a turian make sense? There are aliens living on Earth in the 2180's and indoctrination is strong.

[Kim Shepard]

@Sable Rhapsody: Do you have a clear screenshot? I've only watched the trailer on youtube, and even when I pause the screen, it's impossible to tell. The HD trailer won't let me watch it, for some reason. Amazing that it looks like a darkspawn. xD

@Lady Dino: That's an interesting theory. I guess I think of the Reapers as being able to predict what organics will do better than that, so it's a little strange to think of them as having their plans for certain species fail... but that is basically what happened with the protheans, and all of your points make sense. That almost makes it seem like the Reapers are just experimenting with organics though.

I have the same idea as everyone else about Reaper influence of the rachni, and Sovereign definitely could have convinced Saren to cure the genophage without giving him the true reason. Another reason I'd like to know how much Saren found out. If your theory is true, his research might have suggested that the Reapers had very different plans then in comparison to ME2 and ME3. I hope we'll get to know for sure in ME3.

@Evelinessa: The Council will probably admit it when they see the army of Reapers for themselves. Although, they did see Sovereign... and dismissed him/it as a geth ship.

Yeah, that's the picture. Thanks.

@Aeowyn: Really? I didn't know there were aliens living on Earth. Is that in one of the codex entries?

[Aeowyn]

@Kim

I think it's in the codex. In ME1 when you see the Terra Firma protesters they shout "Aliens off Earth", but I'm fairly certain that I've read in the game somewhere that a small percentage of aliens live on Earth. Let me do some digging.

[Xalena]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

OK, y'all. So having now pored over the trailer, I'm forced to conclude that the humanoid figure our sexy British sniper takes a shot at does match the profile of a turian.

The figure's definitely humanoid. It doesn't seem to shuffle like a Husk. It's roughly the same size of the woman the sniper's covering, so it can't be anything significantly different from a human in size (krogan, vorcha, yahg, scion, etc.) Too bulky for an asari or salarian either.

I suppose it could be a distorted human, but the proportions for a normal human just aren't right. We get a few frames of it from the side, then a few frames from a head-on view as it falls. The figure in question has a humanoid structure, narrow waist, long legs, and a broad chest. That matches the profiles of a few known species: turian and Collector.

It looks like a Geth to me I am somehow so sure it is a geth..omg what that would mean and I re-wrote them with Legion... and damn... I think trailer was too short. I want more

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

@Lady Dino, I think you hit the nail on the head, I think one other thing though. The Krogan plan could still be there. Which crazy scientist did Paragons let go in ME? Rana, where was she when we first met her? At Saren's place where Sovereign was, considering our encounter with Benezia I think it is safe to assume that Rana is also indoctrinated and still carrying out the wishes of the Reapers. Hence the constant foreshadowing by squadmates of letting her live being a mistake. So glad Motoko killed her on Virmire



As for the trailer, Motoko maybe a Colonist and in love with a Turian, but if they (the Reapers) think they can come invade the initial home of the Humans without her having something to say about it, they in for a good ass whooping. Am just trying to think what 'Galaxy' forces she can pick up though or more to the point would want to. Considering Virmire and events in ME, Krogan are definitly not on her shopping list. Quarians... erm no and besides which her best 'Quarian' contact is probably crispyfied on Haestrom by now. Salarians and Turians, hmm, yup she has allies from those races, but whilst she probably will think she can get the support of the former (thanks to Mordin and Kirrahe), getting the latter might be tricky what with her killing the alien council. Asari, nope, I really hope we aren't forced to go anywhere near Liara just for her and a couple of my other Shep's sake. So erm, it looks like she'll have just STG and Alliance with possibly aid from Turians. Yay Motoko's goose is cooked :'(



Oh well, time for her Ruthless streak to shine, all or nothing. Reapers gonna either get killed or at least she'll go out in a blaze of glory. *suddenly has image of her and Garrus doing a 'Butch & Sundance' ending*



As for either council, am betting they'll put the blame on Shepard, saying that Shep has gone rogue like Saren. After all they suspected Cerberus of going for the colonies.



Gah, this all reminds me of the scene in Garrus recruitment mission, I don't want to see him getting killed in front of Motoko. It was bad enough seeing him get shot up then (think that was when she started to realise she had feelings for him, even if the initial thought did shock her).

Indoctrinated maybe? and in ME3 we'll find her once again at some Krogan place, only this time we will have to fight her.

[Sialater]

The profile fit a Scion. Or maybe an Abomination. Though husked turian is also a possibility.



I'm excited. I'm going to hate waiting an entire year though. *pout*

[Timerider42]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

We need........Clint Eastwood.

Clint Eastwood for squadmate in ME3? I approve of this idea.

....What? :happy:

/off-topic

[Eliantariel]

Some days ago I saw an older episode of Navy CIS with director Shepard. They were chasing a weapon smuggler (la grenouille) and Tony had the sniper role. His codename was "Archangel".



Might be a coincidense but I found it quite funny

[kglaser]

Kim Shepard wrote...

In Clan V, a few people said it looks like a husk. I can't really comment because I can't see it well at all through the fog.

That's the problem I'm having...I've re-watched and re-watched that trailer, and I can barely make out a shape, let alone discern what it might be.  I guess my eyes are getting old XD

[Evelinessa]

Like I was talking about earlier, I keep seeing even more people using in theories about ME3 that we're not going to recruit the council races individually but instead go through the council. Well didn't alot of fans want to see Palaven? Didn't Bioware say that they were thinking about putting Palaven in a DLC or ME3? This should be an incentive for BioWare to let us see Palaven I think. What do you guys think?

[Faerlyte]

I thought it looked like a turian. That was my first impression anyway. The legs and feet specifically weren't that of a human husk - that's what stood out to me when I saw it. It's probably there to make us all wonder, <_<.

As for the human focus in the game, my complaint isn't so much that there isn't a good reason within the parameters of the storyline they've drawn up - my complaint is that Bioware chose to go there in the first place rather thank taking another route.

People assume that because we're obviously all human and playing this game, that we won't be as interested in a story that doesn't focus on humans and how awesome we are. Not besides which, who is to say that genetic diversity would be a plus in this context? What if less diversity in a species ultimately makes them stronger on average, or faster? This idea, to me, is self-serving for the purpose of making the human species come across as superior to the others.

Modifié par Faerlyte, 12 décembre 2010 - 06:59 .

[Aeowyn]

Well to be fair. I doubt the Council will listen anyway. They will probably say that they can't get involved in "human centric" problems and my take is that Shepard will go around the Council and speak to the different governments individually. At least I hope so. Because I really want to go to Palaven and speak to the leaders of the Turian Hierarchy.