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[Kim Shepard]

Yeah, husks still have a basic human shape. Most of Saren's turian shape was gone after Sovereign assumed control. That's what happens when Collectors were genetically altered to be controlled and Saren just had implants... although, I guess it was easier for MainShep to fight him when he doesn't look like the real Saren. ):

[Alienmorph]

Yeph, husks are almost just humans covered with wires and implants, the Saren's transformation is much more radical, like the one from prothean to collector.

[Evelinessa]

Kim Shepard wrote...
What? They did? When? Where? BioWare, please keep the army recruiting to ME3. Otherwise, my Shepards will have no armies. I'll have to defeat the Reapers with the power of Shepard alone. Well, at least half of them will have TIM on their side... I hope.

I can't find an article or anything but I remember alot of people talking about it. I rather we go there in ME3 too. 

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

A Garrus-related question:  How do y'all want the epilogue for ME3 to turn out?  How much detail about Garrus and FemShep?  I'm personally a fan of DA:O or Hordes of the Underdark's "And then you rode off into the sunset, you badass you" approach rather than getting details about my PC's life after saving everyone's asses.

I'm not really sure. I want it to be detailed enough so there's closure and I'm not disappointed. I want it to say how we stayed together. I would rather it be a cutscene and text rather then just text. I also kind of want a little playable epilogue like in DA:O where we can talk to him and see what he thinks. I still want to know if it was a night to treasure or a horrible interspecies awkwardness thing .

The whole staying together for the rest of our lives thing is important to me because I remember on my two playthroughs of DA:O I had two romances with Alistair(I plan to do all the romances but I'm too much addicted to ME to come back yet) and one of them I was really disappointed with. I really liked the one where he was romanced and not make king but I hated the one where he was romanced with my warden becoming Queen with him. It said he left alot and that made me upset(I heard the epilogues for the Zevran romance wasn't so good either). So the point of the story is that I want the epilogue stating how Garrus and I stayed together for the rest of our lives or something like that.

[Aeowyn]

I think the epilogue slides for DA:O were bugged.



Personally, I just want Garrus to be there first and foremost. In my squad. Then I want romance goodies. When it comes to the epilogue. Well, I'd rather stay excited about the upcoming game than think about it too much and disappoint myself. Just my opinion though, but looking in other threads people are over-analyzing that 1 minute teaser WAY too much.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Kim Shepard wrote...

An excavation team in the Minos Wasteland on the planet Aequitas finds an alien artifact that creates advanced husks. This device does not look like dragon's teeth at all but instead is an orb filled with an unknown energy source that turned the excavation team into Husks with what appears to be a form of indoctrination, according to logs kept by the team, before it started creating more husks.

This is the one I was thinking of. I'm not sure if they looked any different, but the methods in creating them were.

In Saren's case, I don't think he was a husk exactly, but he was the closest we've ever seen to a turian husk. His implants would have been more like Grayson's, done over a long period of time. The reason why he looked so different is because Sovereign assumed direct control, which seems to cause incineration. The Collectors were probably built to handle it better - they incinerate, but they basically look like Collectors on fire, while most of Saren's body aside from the implants was destroyed.

So it sounds like husks can look very different depending on what kind of Reaper technology is used. The one from the trailer could be any one of those... or a darkspawn. There was a DA staute in Kasumi's loyalty mission. Crossover time! xD

OK, I follow ya.  I just did the Minos Wasteland quest yesterday...derpy Sable is derpy and apparently pays no attention to the quest other than OH GOD HUSKS KILL IT WITH FIRE FIIIIIIRRRRRRE   That mission is death on Insanity.  Death strapped to an AK-47 and a giant boulder for good measure.

Whatever it was in the trailer didn't seem to have real weapons.  Or if it did, it wasn't bright enough to use them on the civilians being covered by the sniper.  So probably not a Collector or other Collector-like Reaper creation, they at least had the wits to point and shoot.  I still think it's WAY too distorted to be human--it doesn't even remotely resemble one.  Saren still kinda looked like a turian in a very wrong way after he got assumed by Sovereign.  But we'll see.  The game will answer my questions in a year if I haven't started foaming at the mouth and died from anticipation by then.

Evelinessa wrote...The whole staying together for the rest of our lives thing is important to me because I remember on my two playthroughs of DA:O I had two romances with Alistair(I plan to do all the romances but I'm too much addicted to ME to come back yet) and one of them I was really disappointed with. I really liked the one where he was romanced and not make king but I hated the one where he was romanced with my warden becoming Queen with him. It said he left alot and that made me upset(I heard the epilogues for the Zevran romance wasn't so good either). So the point of the story is that I want the epilogue stating how Garrus and I stayed together for the rest of our lives or something like that.

I didn't demand that kind of resolution of my Warden's epilogue--she was young, resilient, and could have done just as well staying with Alistair for the rest of her life as moving on to someone else.  Even if they'd broken up, she could have a happy ending.  I romanced him and didn't make him king, so I supposed I got more than I even wanted.  But I'd like something a bit more concrete for Shep who's been through so much more.  That being said, I really don't want more detail for Shep than that she and Garrus had long, happy, badass lives together.  That's enough--lemme fill in if they got married or adopted kids or just ran around kicking bad guy butt.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

@Kim regarding Spacer's mother. Whilst yes DAO did have that issue, they are addressing that in DA2 in that skin tone and I think some other things are going to be taken into account and as such Hawke's family will all tie in with it (so even Bethany could look different than what we seen so far). If they keep the 'face codes' for ME3 which I seriously imagine they will because I know they were hoping they would be a hit and they have been, then I imagine it wouldn't be hard to have Hannah looking different depending on what Shep looks like. Probably will just stick to a VA over comms though to save the hassle. Although if there is one Admiral of the Alliance I DO want us to see it is Hackett. Be cool if he looks like Henricksen too.

@Sable regarding ending. The way I see it, it's going to probably play out like the last one did, where we'll have big cut-scene for end of battle sequence, then a scene where Shep is talking with someone/people then finale cut-scene. So I think Evelinessa's idea would work in this scenario.

My ideal ending post-epilogue scene is Motoko and Garrus possibly on Palaven or some nice planet, staring out to the sky, Garrus stood behind Motoko with his arms around her waist, hugging her close, her head leaning back against him... them both having found peace after such a turbulent time in their life.

I've even got this idea of Anderson and Hackett talking from the start of the scene to the end, but the screen not showing Shepard and Garrus till right near the end, maybe having the camera pan across the vista beforehand.

Sort of like the story coming full circle, in that it started with them two (and Udina) talking about Shepard before you first saw him/her.

[Evelinessa]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

I didn't demand that kind of resolution of my Warden's epilogue--she was young, resilient, and could have done just as well staying with Alistair for the rest of her life as moving on to someone else.  Even if they'd broken up, she could have a happy ending.  I romanced him and didn't make him king, so I supposed I got more than I even wanted.  But I'd like something a bit more concrete for Shep who's been through so much more.  That being said, I really don't want more detail for Shep than that she and Garrus had long, happy, badass lives together.  That's enough--lemme fill in if they got married or adopted kids or just ran around kicking bad guy butt.

Yeah, I just need to know if they stayed together. I still want to have a playable epilogue though where we can talk about our plans before we start all the text.

[Cra5y Pineapple]

Hedrigall wrote...

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[kglaser]

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[Hedrigall]

kglaser wrote...

Whoa...did you make that??

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[PauseforEffect]

Wow. The sheer volume of content here never fails to stagger me. Will honestly be surprised if Bioware does not throw in a token gesture for Garrus fans.

I need to ask an absurd question: why do people compare Garrus to Batman? I thought Batman maintained a no murder policy while Garrus is slaughtering mercs left & right.

Also, Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstein, I salute your Shepard being based off the most hardcore female from Ghost in the Shell.

[Sable Rhapsody]

PrimalEden wrote...

I need to ask an absurd question: why do people compare Garrus to Batman? I thought Batman maintained a no murder policy while Garrus is slaughtering mercs left & right.

Well, images like this one certainly help 



Garrus might not share Batman's no murder policy, but they're both badass vigilantes who have little use for law and order, and are motivated by a strong sense of justice.  They exhibit tactical brilliance through tech and strategy--no special powers, biotic or otherwise.  Just skill and wits.  And calling Garrus Turian Space Batman just sounds cool 

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 14 décembre 2010 - 04:36 .

[PauseforEffect]

Ohhh, thank you for answering that.

*scratches head* sorry, still not seeing them as similar to each other. Awesome artwork though.

[Sunset Sill]

PrimalEden wrote...
I need to ask an absurd question: why do people compare Garrus to Batman? I thought Batman maintained a no murder policy while Garrus is slaughtering mercs left & right.

First off--that is an awesome picture.

Second--I get where you're coming from, PrimalEden. As both a Batman fan and a Garrus fan, I really don't see the similarities beyond their both being phenomenal tacticians. Oh, and detectives. And vigilantes with winged pseudoynms, I guess. Ah, and JUSTICE, of course.

Despite all those, I could never really get into the comparison. Mostly because Batman HATES guns. He wouldn't shoot a gun to save his own life. Whereas Garrus is a sniper, and pretty much LOVES his gun (he shouts it out sometimes, right?).

But it's a harmless comparison, and Garrus + Batman is a combo that makes both seem even cooler, and I'm all for that.  Love 'em both.

Modifié par Sunset Sill, 14 décembre 2010 - 05:17 .

[D330]

Sunset Sill wrote...

PrimalEden wrote...
I need to ask an absurd question: why do people compare Garrus to Batman? I thought Batman maintained a no murder policy while Garrus is slaughtering mercs left & right.

First off--that is an awesome picture.

Second--I get where you're coming from, PrimalEden. As both a Batman fan and a Garrus fan, I really don't see the similarities beyond their both being phenomenal tacticians. Oh, and detectives. And vigilantes with winged pseudoynms, I guess. Ah, and JUSTICE, of course.

Despite all those, I could never really get into the comparison. Mostly because Batman HATES guns. He wouldn't shoot a gun to save his own life. Whereas Garrus is a sniper, and pretty much LOVES his gun (he shouts it out sometimes, right?).

But it's a harmless comparison, and Garrus + Batman is a combo that makes both seem even cooler, and I'm all for that.  Love 'em both.

I say its more of personality than their actions... Both blaming themselves for the affairs of others and their quirky remarks when they joke.. as a superhero i wouldn't quite call garrus Batman tho... even though he seems more like G.I. Joe-ish.. With all that said from me i could see Garrus fighting crime with Batman.. Archangel, Batman and Nightwing the Dynamic Trio!

[Kim Shepard]

@Sable: Yeah, I'm trying not to anayze the screenshots too much aside from "it's a husk." We'll find out in a year... unless they don't think that's important enough to tell us. xD As long as we find out more information and details about the Reapers and all of their indoctrination forms. Then everyone can go back to analyzing the screenshots.

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

My ideal ending post-epilogue scene is Motoko and Garrus possibly on Palaven or some nice planet, staring out to the sky, Garrus stood behind Motoko with his arms around her waist, hugging her close, her head leaning back against him... them both having found peace after such a turbulent time in their life.

I've even got this idea of Anderson and Hackett talking from the start of the scene to the end, but the screen not showing Shepard and Garrus till right near the end, maybe having the camera pan across the vista beforehand.

Sort of like the story coming full circle, in that it started with them two (and Udina) talking about Shepard before you first saw him/her.

This is awesome. Now I want this to happen at the end of ME3. Anderson and Hackett talking about Shepard could work for any possibility, and the image of Garrus and Shepard standing like that is just perfect.

About the Garrus/Batman comparison: I've never watched Batman, so all I know is that they're both vigilantes. Although, there is one character in a TV series I watch who reminds me of Garrus, and in one episode he was compared to Batman. xD From what you guys have said about Batman (not being the type to use guns and kill people), I think this guy is a lot more like Garrus. They totally fit the Cowboy Cop and Jack Bauer Interrogation Technique tropes. Any other characters who remind you of Garrus? I know a few people have said the Punisher... but I hadn't even heard of him until he was mentioned here. (Yeah, I don't watch any shows with superheros in them.)

[Sable Rhapsody]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

My ideal ending post-epilogue scene is Motoko and Garrus possibly on Palaven or some nice planet, staring out to the sky, Garrus stood behind Motoko with his arms around her waist, hugging her close, her head leaning back against him... them both having found peace after such a turbulent time in their life.

I've even got this idea of Anderson and Hackett talking from the start of the scene to the end, but the screen not showing Shepard and Garrus till right near the end, maybe having the camera pan across the vista beforehand.

Sort of like the story coming full circle, in that it started with them two (and Udina) talking about Shepard before you first saw him/her.

This is awesome. Now I want this to happen at the end of ME3. Anderson and Hackett talking about Shepard could work for any possibility, and the image of Garrus and Shepard standing like that is just perfect.

Agreed.  That would be my idea of a good epilogue--closure without getting into the details.  Also, Garrus cuddles are always a plus.  Though I'd like to see "epilogues" for the other squaddies too.  I don't want details for my FemShep, but I DO want some details on my squaddies' lives.  Does Tali get her homeworld?  Maybe Miranda adopts kids?  Can Jacob stop acting like such a porn star when he dates the ladies?  

[Kim Shepard]

Everyone should have epilogues like that - enough to let us know that Shepard and his/her romance of choice stayed together, but vague enough to plan our own ending (or continuation). It would be great if there were "What will you do after you defeat the Reapers?" questions to make sure everyone gets an epilogue that's in character for their Shepards, especially the ones with no romances.

Above all else though... I just want Shepard to survive ME3.

[Aeowyn]

Same here. Would hate it if my Shepard dies in the end. Sure I would like it to be an optional ending (like with Dragon Age) but to have your character's death be forced on you would really suck.

[Kim Shepard]

Completely agree. After countless hours creating these Shepards, giving them a personality and history, playing through the game multiple times to make sure every single dialogue option they choose is exactly right... if ME3 had an unavoidable Shepard death, I just wouldn't play the ending. I can deal with other character deaths. I hope they'll only be optional because it's just sad and annoying when your favorite characters die and there's no way you can stop it. But they are BioWare's characters. Shepard is more like half BioWare's and half ours. xD So by that logic, Shepard should be ours to save or kill, just like the Warden.

[Evelinessa]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Completely agree. After countless hours creating these Shepards, giving them a personality and history, playing through the game multiple times to make sure every single dialogue option they choose is exactly right... if ME3 had an unavoidable Shepard death, I just wouldn't play the ending. I can deal with other character deaths. I hope they'll only be optional because it's just sad and annoying when your favorite characters die and there's no way you can stop it. But they are BioWare's characters. Shepard is more like half BioWare's and half ours. xD So by that logic, Shepard should be ours to save or kill, just like the Warden.

I agree. I just finished my second playthrough and I plan to have many more Shepards. I will be so frustrated if at the end of ME3 I'm forced to lose all these Shepards. I want to be able to plan their futures and for all the hard work to amount to something. I want all the character death choices in ME3 to be optional so hopefully I won't be forced to see my favorite characters or Shepard die. Do you guys think that BioWare would force an "ultimate sacrifice" ending in ME3? I'm sure I don't know BioWare as well as most of you(I only played ME1/2 and DA:O) so I'm not sure what they would usually do for this situation. I would hope we have multiple choices like DA.

Also, I agree with that there should be an option for Shepard to say what her plans are after ME3 so it's in character. Didn't DA:O do something similar?

[Kim Shepard]

I haven't played all of BioWare's games (yet), but from what I've read, none of them have forced the death of the player's character. The only reason I worry is because of I've seen people on the forums saying Shepard might die because ME3 is the end of Shepard's story. Although, I think DAO was the end of the Warden's story, and the Warden didn't need to be killed. So future Mass Effect games should just do what Dragon Age is doing - same universe, different time periods, old player character is not seen but world-changing decisions are carried over to the sequels. And yes, the Warden could talk about what he/she wanted in the future. Shepard and Liara can make future plans too, so I hope it's the same for all of the other romances.

Assuming that does happen, what kind of future plans would your Shepard want with Garrus? It would be nice if friends could have those conversations too - Garrus and MaleShep being Spectres and travelling around the galaxy to fight injustice would be an awesome ending.

[Sialater]

Meghan... doesn't think about the future. And she's not expecting to survive the Reapers. (Neither of my Sheps are, but that's a different story.)



What she'd like to have happen and what she thinks will happen are very different. And she's not allowing herself to think beyond saving the galaxy. But whatever happens, Garrus will be with her.

[lovgreno]

Sialater got a point, not much use in planning for a future that may not be there at all unless Shepard, Garrus and crew does something about it. They can find strenght in eachothers and for the moment that is enough for Shep and Garrus I think.

[Kim Shepard]

I have Shepards who don't exactly plan for the future, other than being alive, but that's one of the things they have in common - they all want to live, even if they don't expect to. Some have their future planned out, and the Reapers are just another battle to overcome on the way. Some of them just think their lives are too unpredictable to plan for, Reapers or not. My Earthborn Ruthless has lived his entire life just fighting to stay alive, hoping that his future will have been worth surviving the past.

As for which ones want to have Garrus in their future... obviously, the one who romanced him. My current MaleShep's future will depend a lot on Tali and the fate of her people, be he still hopes to see Garrus because the three of them are all friends. Colonist Sole Survivor MaleShep would be the one fighting injustice with him, with a lot of focus on taking down slavers. Can't think of any other specifics right now, but all of them hope that Garrus becomes a Spectre and either wouldn't mind or would like to work with him again.