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[Brass_Buckles]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...

Speaking of...  I know enough due to spoilers that Garrus's family evidently has some sort of genetic ailment.  Maybe it's even afflicting a lot of female turians (revenge of the krogan???).  It could be that Garrus may not want to have any children for fear he'd pass on this same genetic disease.  Just a little food for thought.

Are you talking about the LoTSB dossier?  That's for his mother's Corpalis Syndrome, a neurological condition.  Sounds a little like space Alzheimer's, but there's no indication that it's genetic.  The only thing we know is that it's rare, incurable, and debilitating.  

As for FemShep and Garrus settling down, having kids, etc., your concerns are precisely the reason why I'd like a relatively open epilogue, one that shows them together with some closure, but leaves all the details up to the player.  Each individual's Shepard is different.  For example, I'd like to see my FemShep and Garrus eventually form a family and adopt kids, but that's a LONG way down the line, at least a decade out.  And if they did, they'd probably adopt older kids, maybe orphans like she was.  But whether that happens should be up to each individual player, not BioWare.  If someone else's FemShep and Garrus eventually split, that's their business.

I understand that his sister was also ill or at risk of the same illness.  I only know about it from spoilers; I have the DLC but thanks to computer issues I never got to play it yet and I still have to replay ME1.

Again, I personally want Shepard and Garrus to stick together, but I don't think their lifestyle or the fact that they're VERY different species is really conducive to children (even assuming as I am that they'd be adopted--there's no way they could reproduce naturally!).  I'll be sad if they have to part ways for Garrus to move forward in life, and sadder if he or Shepard die, but, it is just a game, after all.  So I'm with you on an open ending, if we can't at least have Shepard and the LI discuss their wishes prior to the epilogue to reflect what we want to see happen.  But let's face it, thus far the Bioware epilogues I've seen have not been very open-ended (and some didn't even reflect what I had my character tell the LI!).

[Kim Shepard]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

For example, I'd like to see my FemShep and Garrus eventually form a family and adopt kids, but that's a LONG way down the line, at least a decade out.  And if they did, they'd probably adopt older kids, maybe orphans like she was.

This is what my FemShep would want too.

I agree that things should be left vague whenever Shepard is concerned. Even though they've romanced the same guy, I've noticed that all of our Shepards are very different. And I get annoyed when the slightest dialogue options or expressions don't work with my versions of Shepard. As long as Shepard and Garrus stay together, I would probably be happy with whatever BioWare comes up with because I liked almost everything else they came up with, but the best way to make everyone happy would be to let them imagine what happens next.

[ciaweth]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

I understand that his sister was also ill or at risk of the same illness.  I only know about it from spoilers; I have the DLC but thanks to computer issues I never got to play it yet and I still have to replay ME1.

...the HELL?  Nowhere does LotSB say that about Garrus' sister.  It isn't even hinted at, or implied.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Brass_Buckles wrote...
I understand that his sister was also ill or at risk of the same illness.  I only know about it from spoilers; I have the DLC but thanks to computer issues I never got to play it yet and I still have to replay ME1.

Hmm.  Don't know where you heard that, but it's not true.  Here's the link to the dossier material: http://masseffect.wi...Garrus_Vakarian

The first two sections deal with Garrus's sister, mother, and Corpalis Syndrome.  Garrus's sister is not ill, nor has she shown any symptoms or risk signs--she's taking care of his mother, who's ill.  Again, there is NO implication that Corpalis is at all genetic, or even communicable.  The only thing the salarian doctor says is that it's rare and debilitating with no real cure.  

[J4N3_M3]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

For example, I'd like to see my FemShep and Garrus eventually form a family and adopt kids, but that's a LONG way down the line, at least a decade out.  And if they did, they'd probably adopt older kids, maybe orphans like she was.

This is what my FemShep would want too.

I agree that things should be left vague whenever Shepard is concerned. Even though they've romanced the same guy, I've noticed that all of our Shepards are very different. And I get annoyed when the slightest dialogue options or expressions don't work with my versions of Shepard. As long as Shepard and Garrus stay together, I would probably be happy with whatever BioWare comes up with because I liked almost everything else they came up with, but the best way to make everyone happy would be to let them imagine what happens next.

basically this! Since I have that not only for other people's Shepards but for all of mine. None of my Shepards is like the other. They are ALL different.

[Kim Shepard]

There are some things that my Shepards all agree on, but they're all very different too. At least one of those things they agree on is that Garrus is a good guy to have on the team.

[J4N3_M3]

Kim Shepard wrote...

There are some things that my Shepards all agree on, but they're all very different too. At least one of those things they agree on is that Garrus is a good guy to have on the team.

oh you'd hate my current dudeshep then. He didn't even recruit Garrus in Me1 and hates all aliens and is pro-Cerberus. Final goal of this run will be getting the entire alien squad killed. He already shot Wrex on Virmire. Yah, he's that much of a jerk.

[Kim Shepard]

My favorite characters just get killed off too many times in ways beyond my control for me to actually kill one off myself when there's a chance for him to survive. But I can still like characters who hate my favorites (and in some cases, the character who kills them). Kai Leng is in my top three Mass Effect favorites, and he hates turians - there are a lot of things about him that I like though. And now I worry that there's a good chance TIM, who's in the top five, might be the one who killed Saren's brother, and everyone here knows that Saren is my number one favorite.

However, some of my Shepards might not like him. MainShep's hatred of Liara started right when she called Saren "that turian bastard."

[Sable Rhapsody]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

oh you'd hate my current dudeshep then. He didn't even recruit Garrus in Me1 and hates all aliens and is pro-Cerberus. Final goal of this run will be getting the entire alien squad killed. He already shot Wrex on Virmire. Yah, he's that much of a jerk.

Show him the picture of baby Garrus I posted a few pages bad.  Then see what DudeShep thinks of aliens 

Garrus is already stealing my current ManShep's kills...it makes playing an Infiltrator on Insanity a bit difficult (though still easier than Adept.  The game's balance degrades pretty quickly if you deviate from Normal difficulty).  Mostly because I'm still getting the hang of sniping, I just feel vaguely useless while Garrus kicks ass 

Kim Shepard wrote...
However, some of my Shepards might not like him. MainShep's hatred of Liara started right when she called Saren "that turian bastard."

So what did MainShep think of poor Garrus?  He has some choice things to say about Saren too, if I remember correctly.  Something about Saren being a traitor to the Council and a disgrace to his people.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 16 décembre 2010 - 08:06 .

[Kim Shepard]

Well, she definitely disagreed with Garrus saying that Saren should be killed. And at least half of those comments, like Saren betraying the Council, are just facts rather than insults. Liara's comment sounded like she was insulting the whole turian race in addition to Saren. There's also the fact that Garrus made a better first impression and she agrees with him on everything else, while she disagrees a lot with Liara. They did agree when she said that she felt sorry for Saren though. I imagine Liara's status improved from "hate" to just "dislike" after that and giving her body to Cerberus, but first impressions mean a lot to MainShep. The batarians made a bad first impression, for example... xD

And because it's just so adorable, I looked back a few pages to find this:

[Sable Rhapsody]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Well, she definitely disagreed with Garrus saying that Saren should be killed. And at least half of those comments, like Saren betraying the Council, are just facts rather than insults. Liara's comment sounded like she was insulting the whole turian race in addition to Saren. There's also the fact that Garrus made a better first impression and she agrees with him on everything else, while she disagrees a lot with Liara. 

Funnily enough, that's the precise OPPOSITE of my FemShep and Garrus.  She agreed with him on killing Saren, disagreed with him on a lot of other stuff.  Just goes to show that Garrus is love for everyone! 

Actually, on first impressions, what were all of your Sheps' first impressions of Garrus?  Mine actually didn't get along spectacularly with him at first.  They were civil enough, and respected each other's talents, but my Shep's pretty distant with everyone.  It took a while for him to see a person behind that armor.  And for her part, she thought he was hot-headed, idealistic, and frustratingly stubborn.

[Xalena]

This is so great! www.masseffectsaves.com/MESS/ME2ColoringBook.pdf
Help Garrus with calibrating

[Aeowyn]

Hahaha that is awesome. Love the hidden message from the Volus. Especially since the gasps are included lol

[Evelinessa]

I will be so upset if in the epilogue it says that we split up after awhile. I hope BioWare won't do that to the Garrus fans. I want closure and that won't make me feel satisfied. For the ending I just want some indication that they stayed together. I don't really need to know if they adopted kids or not(but I want it) but I would pick it if it was a dialogue option.

If Garrus or Shepard dies in ME3 I will be very upset. Especially if Garrus sacrifices himself for me. I think I will cry if that happens.

For first impressions I can't really remember but I think I didn't trust Garrus(If I remember right). The first time I played ME1 was over a year ago and I rented it from Gamefly. I played it until I became a Spectre and I returned it. I didn't buy it until about 6 months later and did a full playthrough(the full playthrough I liked Garrus from the start). I think I didn't trust him because at first I didn't trust Nihlus because of what Joker was saying and then I find out the bad guy was another turian. When I talked to Garrus after the fight in the med lab I didn't really know the whole paragon/renegade conversation system so I ended up picking a mean renegade option with him when I was trying to be nice(the renegade option even said that she didn't trust him). So I don't really remember(since I only played for a couple hours) but I think that I didn't trust him.

[fallele]

I got into ME since i first saw Aimo's personification art of Garrus on deviantart. I did some background checking on the game before getting it *cough cough* for free xP from Ebay. handy glitch i had to say.



First saw Garrus in the game and it was the voice first, then the jokes and appearance came last.^^.



As per endings, i'll put my faith in bioware's hands, but I want a whole ending, that's vague but ties up all of the loose ends.



@Eve: I didn't trust Nihlus at first either, from what little i saw he came off as gruff for me. Plus joker's quip. xP (but i haven't read the comics so i can't make a firm judgment on his character)

[Alienmorph]

Evelinessa wrote...

I will be so upset if in the epilogue it says that we split up after awhile. I hope BioWare won't do that to the Garrus fans. I want closure and that won't make me feel satisfied. For the ending I just want some indication that they stayed together. I don't really need to know if they adopted kids or not(but I want it) but I would pick it if it was a dialogue option.

If Garrus or Shepard dies in ME3 I will be very upset. Especially if Garrus sacrifices himself for me. I think I will cry if that happens.

I think it's the same almost for everyone who spent time in romancing a character. Our salvation will be the multiple choices system probably... I guess that BW will give us at least a little chance to save our entire team, like at the end of ME2... unless the third game won't be fullfilled of Virmire-styled situations o_o" Surely I'll do my best to have both my dextro-dna pals with me 'till the end.

[Evelinessa]

fallele wrote...

@Eve: I didn't trust Nihlus at first either, from what little i saw he came off as gruff for me. Plus joker's quip. xP (but i haven't read the comics so i can't make a firm judgment on his character)

Yeah when Nihlus said "I move faster on my own" I was fully expecting for him to do something behind the scenes to betray me..but then Saren killed him.

Alienmorph wrote...

Evelinessa wrote...

I will be so upset if in the epilogue it says that we split up after awhile. I hope BioWare won't do that to the Garrus fans. I want closure and that won't make me feel satisfied. For the ending I just want some indication that they stayed together. I don't really need to know if they adopted kids or not(but I want it) but I would pick it if it was a dialogue option.

If Garrus or Shepard dies in ME3 I will be very upset. Especially if Garrus sacrifices himself for me. I think I will cry if that happens.

I think it's the same almost for everyone who spent time in romancing a character. Our salvation will be the multiple choices system probably... I guess that BW will give us at least a little chance to save our entire team, like at the end of ME2... unless the third game won't be fullfilled of Virmire-styled situations o_o" Surely I'll do my best to have both my dextro-dna pals with me 'till the end.

Yeah but even if he does survive I hope we don't get some crappy unsatisfiying epilogue. And I hope he gets alot more friend and romance dialogue in ME3.

Also, I know I ask for quotes alot but I was playing LotSB for the second time today and I want to know what Garrus says after we see the bomb go off in the Dracon Center. My first playthrough I brought Garrus and Miranda but Miranda was the one that talked and in my second playthrough I brought Garrus and Grunt but Grunt ended up talking. So does anyone know what Garrus says at that part?

[Aeowyn]

Hm good question. I've only had Thane, Tali and Legion speak so far. I'm still confused on how the cut scene convo works. Replaying my canon char so will see if I can get him to talk.

[Loki330]

I think it's the second one who speaks, so pick Grunt and then Garrus and I think it will be Garrus that talks.

[Alienmorph]

Evelinessa wrote...

Yeah but even if he does survive I hope we don't get some crappy unsatisfiying epilogue. And I hope he gets alot more friend and romance dialogue in ME3.

Yehp, a generic ending with just Shep watching the sun with his/her squadmates survived or something similar would be so unsatisfying. Same for the dialogues: I hope to have more in general, but surely Garrus is one of the chars who needs more of them desperately: it was really pissing that I was able to talk to with my MaleShep just a pair of times out of the missions.

[Evelinessa]

Loki330 wrote...

I think it's the second one who speaks, so pick Grunt and then Garrus and I think it will be Garrus that talks.

No, it's whoever ends up being in the left slot on the bottom of the screen talks and that's chosen at random. It doesn't matter what order you select them.

Aeowyn wrote...

Hm good question. I've only had Thane, Tali and Legion speak so far. I'm still confused on how the cut scene convo works. Replaying my canon char so will see if I can get him to talk.

I hope you can get him to talk .

Alienmorph wrote...

Evelinessa wrote...

Yeah but even if he does survive I hope we don't get some crappy unsatisfiying epilogue. And I hope he gets alot more friend and romance dialogue in ME3.

Yehp, a generic ending with just Shep watching the sun with his/her squadmates survived or something similar would be so unsatisfying. Same for the dialogues: I hope to have more in general, but surely Garrus is one of the chars who needs more of them desperately: it was really pissing that I was able to talk to with my MaleShep just a pair of times out of the missions.

Wait...are you being sarcastic? Because by unsatisfying I meant if the epilogue states that we split up after awhile. I would like more detail then just a sunset but I wouldn't mind it.

I know. I was so happy when he was recruitable but then came all those calibrations. I hope he gets as many convos as everyone else in ME3.

[Alienmorph]

Evelinessa wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

Evelinessa wrote...

Yeah but even if he does survive I hope we don't get some crappy unsatisfiying epilogue. And I hope he gets alot more friend and romance dialogue in ME3.

Yehp, a generic ending with just Shep watching the sun with his/her squadmates survived or something similar would be so unsatisfying. Same for the dialogues: I hope to have more in general, but surely Garrus is one of the chars who needs more of them desperately: it was really pissing that I was able to talk to with my MaleShep just a pair of times out of the missions.

Wait...are you being sarcastic? Because by unsatisfying I meant if the epilogue states that we split up after awhile. I would like more detail then just a sunset but I wouldn't mind it.

I know. I was so happy when he was recruitable but then came all those calibrations. I hope he gets as many convos as everyone else in ME3.

No I was serious. That would be a too much generic ending imho. Ans Shep that simply splits up from his/her LI and flies away will make me rampaging too.

[Annihilator27]

Mother****ing Garrus, My man.

[Sialater]

Alienmorph wrote...

Evelinessa wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

Evelinessa wrote...

Yeah but even if he does survive I hope we don't get some crappy unsatisfiying epilogue. And I hope he gets alot more friend and romance dialogue in ME3.

Yehp, a generic ending with just Shep watching the sun with his/her squadmates survived or something similar would be so unsatisfying. Same for the dialogues: I hope to have more in general, but surely Garrus is one of the chars who needs more of them desperately: it was really pissing that I was able to talk to with my MaleShep just a pair of times out of the missions.

Wait...are you being sarcastic? Because by unsatisfying I meant if the epilogue states that we split up after awhile. I would like more detail then just a sunset but I wouldn't mind it.

I know. I was so happy when he was recruitable but then came all those calibrations. I hope he gets as many convos as everyone else in ME3.

No I was serious. That would be a too much generic ending imho. Ans Shep that simply splits up from his/her LI and flies away will make me rampaging too.

Yeah, no KOTOR endings, please.

[Cra5y Pineapple]

annihilator27 wrote...

Mother****ing Garrus, My man.

Indeed, he calibrates Shepard every night.