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leggywillow wrote...

I have a Garrus-y question.  I feel like a perv, but if I can't ask it here, I can't ask anywhere!  Plus I'm sure it's been discussed somewhere.

... how do you think Shepard and Garrus "do it'?  What do you think are some specific turian mating rituals?  (For example, kissing for humans, but that obviously doesn't work for turians.)


Short answer, use your imagination.

Long answer, the people here have a whole group for asking things like and answering them in a level of detail that in no way belongs on this public forum unless we want the thread permanently locked.

That said, I'll give a PG-13 answer of my own.  Their anatomy is a bit different, but the "peeing turian" can't have been much differently built from a human if he was using a urinal (and I'm not getting into the other argument that entails, either).  To avoid serious injury on the turian's sharp pointy parts (arm spikes, probably the spurs, definitely the claws), the human would have to be careful.  Following Mordin's advice probably wouldn't be a bad idea either, given the warnings about "chafing" and "comfortable positions for both species."

As for kissing, no, it's not going to work for Garrus; turian mouths aren't made for planting a big wet one on the lips.  Maybe he might nibble with those beak-lips or something, or nuzzle.  Or stroke with his mandibles.  Shep could kiss him, but I don't think Frenching is an option when you're advised not to ingest fluids--saliva is a fluid (same goes for licking--turians evidently sweat, so I imagine they would be sweaty during that activity as well).  It'd just have to be a planted smooch on his face, or wherever else.

Some people avoid this question altogether by simply saying that the two do not actually have sex after the romance scene (and some of them may think they never will).  To me, it's not a matter of how or whether they do it (though I tend to assume that they do, if not before the mission then after, unless you reject Garrus right before Omega 4, in which case you are pure puppy-kicking evil!) but the emotions involved, especially on Garrus's part.  Even if it's just a fling for Shepard, Garrus seems to be falling pretty hard for Shepard by that point.  But, thus far, I haven't had a Shepard romance him unless she meant it--it's too dangerous to risk sleeping with a turian just for kicks or stress relief.  Bungee jumping or sky diving is equally viable and has less potential to really kill you if you need a near-death experience to relieve your stress!  I may make a Shepard in the future though who has trouble deciding between Garrus and Kaidan.  Your mileage may vary--it's your Shepard, your Mass Effect experience, your story.  Just like it's up to you whether your Shepard actually slept with Garrus, and, if you want to imagine that far, how they managed it.

Edited to add:

I don't think turians have "mating rituals" any more than humans do.   I continue to try to stress this, because I continue to think it's one reason Garrus fans keep getting accused of bestiality.  Turians are people, not animals.  They probably behave as differently from partner to partner and experience to experience as humans do.  Garrus evidently had hot hate-sex with a recon scout, but the way he's very gently stroking Shepard's arm at the end of his romance scene, it looks like that would be a totally different, nonviolent experience (assuming Shepard doesn't decide to insist that it be otherwise).  Remember that while he may have had sex many times, Garrus has probably never been "in love," and I take that scene to be an indication he's falling for Shepard--maybe he hasn't yet, but he's going that route and would probably be more inclined toward gentler behavior rather than frustration/rage/hate as with the recon scout. 

Let me be blunt, because turian claws and spikes would not.  Those claws and teeth would not feel playful if they were digging into you, leaving fragments of allergenic material behind.  You'd not just have cuts, you'd have swelling.  And dig in the claws/teeth a little too deeply and you'd also get serious bleeding.  Imagine explaining that to Dr. Chakwas.  It's also true that just because a given animal is a predator, it won't necessarily bite during mating (and some herbivores DO).  Biting/clawing during mating is most often done by male animals and it is a dominance behavior, not a playful or flirty one (unless it's just a little nip that does not break or bruise the flesh, but even then it's an aggressive, putting-the-other-partner-in-its-place behavior).   I'm not saying it's WRONG to imagine this--some people think it's downright hot.  But I've repeatedly tried to point out that the same behavior won't exist for every turian.  Just like there are some real men who are very rough in bed, there'd be some turians who were likewise.  My personal opinion is that Garrus would be trying to avoid doing physical harm to Shepard--he respects her, and while he's all for abusing the bad guys, he's shown no indication he'd ever hurt Shepard (and definitely would not want to jeopardize the mission that they are going into in less than two hours after that final clip).  Right before Omega 4, Shepard should probably be interested in avoiding physical harm to Shepard, too, and not to mention any possible harm that she might manage to do to Garrus by accident.  They might get rough from time to time thereafter, assuming there is a "thereafter" for them, but having one's hips/thighs become a solid mass of scars doesn't sound altogether fun to me.

Apart from Saren's rage moment, turians haven't ever stricken me as animalistic enough to have "mating rituals."  What do you want Garrus to do, strut around you with brightly colored scarves until Shepard finally agrees to go to bed with him?   I suspect that the krogan are more likely to be "ritualistic" during intercourse due to their commentary and their build--but even krogan are people, and adaptable.  And yes, I do mean to sound clinical because I think the rest of you are dancing in the gutters half the time!  :devil:

Modifié par Brass_Buckles, 22 décembre 2010 - 04:48 .


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Sashimi_taco wrote...

"love" bites seems to be common in the imagination of fan fic writers. Also "growling". In my head all this is true and more....

And hissing.  And purring.  And eskimo kisses and widdle nibbles in the mandibles and
WHOA WHAT ME FETISH NO NONSENSE I'VE NEVER PARTICIPATED IN 
FREESTYLE FORUM ROLEPLAYING EVER WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?


A-hem.

This post does not exist, mmkay?

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#15703
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Brass_Buckles wrote...
And yes, I do mean to sound clinical because I think the rest of you are dancing in the gutters half the time!  :devil:


Half the time?  Half the time?!  What's this "half the time" business?  Do you know how many kink meme prompts I've filled?  OK, probably not since everyone's anon there anyway, but I think we spend way more than a mere HALF of our time in gutters, thankyouverymuch :P

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I guess I get frustrated in part by the bandwagon syndrome, and the fact that the bandwagon here is overwhelmingly furry-esque whether people like it or not. I'm not a fan of the animalistic interpretation of Garrus (I'm sure you guys have guessed this by now), although I don't doubt there would be turians who would behave that way or enjoy such things--I think they're the most human of the races personalitywise, even beyond the asari. My opinion is that the kind of behavior most fans favor tends to undermine the Garrus we're actually shown--merciless and cruel to his enemies, but respectful, caring, possibly even gentle toward his commander. After a while this particular interpretation becomes trite. However, while I may sometimes read it, I don't actually write fanfic myself, unless you count forum RPs--either way I don't write smut, so no, I can't just write up and share my own interpretation. Too much of a prude, actually, for starters. And, frankly, Garrus is an alien, so there are a whole lot of ways to go about writing smut if one were to do so. I'm more interested in the actual relationship, which may be why I'm stricken by the notion that Garrus's gentle caress in that cut scene probably means it'll be more a gentle "lovemaking" than the sleazy wild romp he was probably expecting when he first walked in the room (as opposed to Shepard dragging him to bed or him suddenly deciding to take charge and go wild)--thanks in part to his own dialogue leading up to it. Shepard could easily (especially a renegade Shepard) push him into something more aggressive, however, especially since he's being as hesitant as he is gentle. The problem is that in doing so, a Shepard might actually be preventing him from saying more after the fact (not that we get to see what's said) about how he's actually feeling; maybe he's trying to show rather than tell. Again this is probably my sappy-but-somewhat prudish side telling me that while he definitely wants the sex, he has also decided it needs to mean something at this point when Shepard's even putting up with his horrible bumbling and not chasing him away. I like the emotions behind the decision; they appeal to me more than the act itself, which could be accomplished in any number of ways and may be weird in any number of ways given that Garrus is not human--but is, I reiterate, a person.



But I also feel the need to point out that it would be dangerous to get too rough right before Omega 4. After? Go for it, if you want to wait that long. It's also their first time being together, as two very different species, with different cultures, and with the potential to injure one another (I get the feeling when Garrus remarks about 'probably would've just torn a ligament or something,' if you reject him, he's had legitimate information from Mordin that this is actually a concern for him--so it's not just Shep who might get hurt). Any of my Shepards who romance Garrus will be keenly aware of this and leaning toward caution/making the situation as comfortable as possible for both parties. Afterward? Well that's up to Garrus and that given Shepard, and depends on the story. I may even have a Shep or two later who would drop Garrus like a hot potato (and make me feel like such a butthole for having them do it too).

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Hey, I don't read or look at any of the NSFW stuff. So there are some of us here who don't have our minds in the gutter. The only thing I'll add about Garrus and Shepard's romance scene after the fade-to-black is that turians are similar enough to humans for it to be physically possible (and done many times before, if there are vids for both of them to watch), and it can't be overly dangerous or Mordin would have given a lot more warnings than he did. From Garrus' dialogue, it's implied that he's going to be taking a much more gentle approach than he did with the recon scout because he seems a little worried that he could accidentally hurt Shepard (he mentions it in the break-up dialogue, if I remember correctly). Also, fan-canon seems to be that the headbump is the turian equivalent of a human kiss, and turian guys have their own set of things to compliment about women just as humans do.

And just because I saw it brought up - Saren growling is not necesarily "animalistic." Humans can growl too. I've seen quite a few humans in movies do a threatening growl to scare their opponents, or an angry growl when they're about to attack. Saren's was out of anger, and considering the differences between human and turian voices, it could have been more like an angry shout by our standards. It reminded me of all the scenes where people get angry, start yelling, and push over anything in their path. If anything, that kind of emotion makes him seem more human.

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Humans are animals too!

We have so many "animal" behaviors, it's silly to think ourselves above growling and scratching and such things :P

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yukidama wrote...

Humans are animals too!

This is true. Yay for science! xD

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Just showing support for my FemShep's LI. Also he is one of my fave characters so, hi.

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I tend to care less about how TURIANS act in bed and more about how GARRUS acts in bed. I mean, seriously, if you tried to summarize in a few sentences how humans act in bed, you'd be pretty SOL. There's an incredible variety in how people are intimate, and I imagine it's the same for the aliens of Mass Effect. Sure, the fact that Garrus is a turian makes certain things more or less possible to pull off after the fade-to-black, but that's about where the limitations of biology stop. Everything after that is up to him and Shep. I've written (and read) everything from pretty aggressive to very gentle, and found that it can all work if you take into consideration the context that the fic presents for Garrus and Shep.

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@Brass Buckles: I wasn't trying to imply that I think the Garrus romance is beastiality by using the term "mating rituals".  To me things like human kissing and foreplay fall under the definition of "mating rituals" (even if there probably isn't a behavior that can be generalized across all humans).  I wasn't just thinking about things like male peacocks showing off their tail feathers.  Though I understand wanting to make the clarification.

Thanks for your answer.  I'm a pre-med/biology person so I really was hoping for a clinical response.  :lol:

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The timepoint for Garrus and Shepards intimate moment wasn't really well chosen - only 2 hours before the start of a suicide mission and after the collectors abducted the crew - this is a heavy burden that you cannot neglect easily.

And 2 hours aren't quite much to get to know a totally different body of an other species (I suppose this depends on the quality of Mordins advice vids Posted Image ).

I think it is good that the screen faded to black (but the scene should have last longer and I would have loved to see more tenderness between Garrus and Shepard) - so everyone can think for their Shepard and Garrus pairing what happened in the meantime...

Concerning the short time frame and the suicide mission ahead it is also possible to believe that Shepard and Garrus spend the time caressing and cuddling each other (at least for my Shepards they don't talk so much - I cannot see Garrus or my Shepards being the type of let's speak 2 hours over our relationship - but this can be different for other players/playthroughs). I like this scenario, both showing without many words their affection to each other and despite the more direct sex talk earlier in the game I think with that they share a much more sensitive moment than maybe both expected earlier. Well, after the suicide mission, I think they continue with that and are going further (***leaves the rest to your imagination***Posted Image) .


For the more renegade Shepards maybe they start right with the "action" - but this I think really depends on your Shepard and player imagination. 

Well kissing... hm, I do think that this is possible. Garrus has different kind of lips, but his mouth plates (or whatever you may call it) seem to be flexible. Additionally, I have only seen teeth at the side of his jaw, not in the front area (like humans have). So kissing should be safe, but it depends on if there are really no teeth in this area and how flexible his "lips" are. And they can let their tongues meet and explore with it (at least for a short distance) each others mouth - of course Shepard has to be carefull not to hit a tooth.

Concerning the allergic reaction: it is possible to have an allergic reaction, but that does not mean that Shepard will for sure have an allergic reaction. Mordin just warns you because he cannot say for sure what will happening. And Shepard with all her implants and new builded body is maybe not as endangered as other humans. She can even drink poison drinks that kills every other human without permanent harm... so why not kissing her favourite bad ass turian?

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I agree that the stuff after fade-to-black really depends on everyone's Shepards. There are some people here who prefer to think Shepard and Garrus mostly cuddle before the final battle, and get to the rest after when they have more time and are very happy to be alive. On the subject of kissing turians, the human would probably be doing most of that. And turians have skin on their neck that looks more human-like, so Shepard can go for that if she doesn't want to kiss the metal plates. It's completely up to each Shepard. She could kiss Garrus on both cheeks if she wants to.

Modifié par Kim Shepard, 22 décembre 2010 - 07:19 .


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Bit off topic, but you people are wonderful. Funny, enthusiastic, friendly, pervy, and 100% wonderful.  You are my favorite fan community ever :wub:

I'm quitting the DA2 forums cold turkey as of now. I can get information about the game elsewhere without dealing with the wankery.  Yecch.

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The only thing you need to know about what happens after it fades to black for Femshep and Garrus is this:



Skyyyyyyyyy rockets in flight! Afternoon delight!

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Why can't they just have plain, normal sex? Lol. I think a lot of writers are so set on that "turians resembles raptors and therefore they're more animalistic than humans and that = rougher sex".

Sure they have claws and sharp teeth but I don't see why they can't just have sex that does not include bites, or growling, purring, scratching, howling (everytime I read that I imagine him going werewolf on Shepard in the middle of it).

Don't get me wrong, I love reading smut (but am too prude to write it, go figure), but I don't see why it has to be so "special" because they're different species.

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yukidama wrote...

Humans are animals too!

We have so many "animal" behaviors, it's silly to think ourselves above growling and scratching and such things :P


It's not that we aren't technically animals, or that we aren't "above" this or that behavior.  It's this idea that turians are going to act like cats in heat regardless which turian it is, when it is, with which partner, in which situation.  I don't buy it because I think turians are meant to be people, and people have differing personalities, preferences, etc.  Is this making any sense?  But every time virtually every writer writes him the same way, having little interest in the emotional side of things in most cases.  And when I say "people" I mean "sapient animals."  Should I call the nonsapient animals "beasts" to make the distinction clearer?  It doesn't mean people are "higher" than other animals, but our behavior is based more on reasoning and emotion than other animals' would be.  Meaning, we are responsible for our own behavior--although people tend to like to put the blame elsewhere--and everyone is different.  Yes I know real people can "growl" or "purr," but it's not generally a literal sound.  But that bothers me much less than the idea that Garrus is essentially a sadist by instinct (purring and growling both amuse me and weird me out for totally different reasons), and wants to sink his claws and fangs into Shepard more like she's a piece of tasty still-living meat or a dire enemy than a potential mate.

My primary arguments against having Garrus rip at Shepard their first time together are that A) even with upgrades, Shep's human and feels pain.  Medigel or no that's going to hurt and leave scars--some people like that, but not many.  And B) Injury would mean you may not be able to carry out the mission.  When the mission's not at stake later on, this is not as much of an issue.  Still dangerous, but humanity won't go extinct for it.  Let's face it, even the gentlest, most playful nips and scratches from a turian could probably seriously hurt a human being.  Razor-sharp teeth and claws tend to do that, because they are meant to be used to seriously hurt things that can then be eaten.  I doubt the experience would be fun except to a seasoned masochist.  (And yes, I'm being tongue-in-cheek here, and through most of my post, so you can laugh.)

My argument against this behavior in general, however, is that A) it doesn't flow with Garrus's personality that we see in the game, unless you're presuming he secretly hates Shepard (which is an interesting angle that I can actually see working, regardless of your being paragon or renegade, after dealing with Sidonis--or not dealing with him) or your variant is renegade enough to not care if he hurts her as long as he gets what he wants, and B) every time I read one of these fanfics I start wondering if I'm reading about Garrus or a really big cat, and while there's some amusement value in that, it is mostly unsettling.  C) (Serious hat on here) As a person who respects and perhaps cares for Shepard, it doesn't make sense for Garrus to treat Shepard exactly like a female turian because she clearly isn't one.  I'm sure he's aware human flesh is softer than turian hide, etc. I guess part of the reason that bothers me in fanfics, too, is because knowing this, if he wanted to be rough anyway, it would be abusive and maybe even controlling type behavior, which I never, ever think is cool.  And if it's chalked up to "instinct," then... well he's just an animal and can't control himself; I don't like that insinuation over either the canon turian species, or over men in general, much less both.

But I'm going to stop arguing about this.  I don't expect I will change any minds, nor do I suspect I have, and I don't want to offend anyone--although I'm sure I've managed to do that regardless.

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We needed a change of topic anyway, Sable. Before this conversation goes somewhere horrible. xD *tries to think of a good topic, or the next turian-related thought after "Saren! :D"*

SavageLycan wrote...

The only thing you need to know about what happens after it fades to black for Femshep and Garrus is this:

Skyyyyyyyyy rockets in flight! Afternoon delight!

This brings back memories of the old Garrus threads.

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Ah, Kim to the rescue!  Do I detect a little something other than altruism talking when you suggest Saren? :D

Other topics of conversation....other topics of conversation...hmm...

What do y'all think Garrus's views are on love?  And what about your Shepards' views? Not blowing off steam or sex.  No kidding love.  Garrus seems to be pretty casual about sex (though not with Shep) if his experiences with that recon scout are anything to go by.  But as we know, the Normandy seems to be SSV Intimacy Issues some days, and I wonder if Garrus is any exception to that.  My own Shep has pretty crippling intimacy issues--takes Garrus the better part of two games to really break through to her.

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I want to know more about Saren. I want to know how he got his cybernetic eyes and his geth arm. I want to know about kid Saren as well.

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Brass_Buckles wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Humans are animals too!

We have so many "animal" behaviors, it's silly to think ourselves above growling and scratching and such things :P


It's not that we aren't technically animals, or that we aren't "above" this or that behavior.  It's this idea that turians are going to act like cats in heat regardless which turian it is, when it is, with which partner, in which situation.  I don't buy it because I think turians are meant to be people, and people have differing personalities, preferences, etc.  Is this making any sense?  But every time virtually every writer writes him the same way, having little interest in the emotional side of things in most cases.  And when I say "people" I mean "sapient animals."  Should I call the nonsapient animals "beasts" to make the distinction clearer?  It doesn't mean people are "higher" than other animals, but our behavior is based more on reasoning and emotion than other animals' would be.  Meaning, we are responsible for our own behavior--although people tend to like to put the blame elsewhere--and everyone is different.  Yes I know real people can "growl" or "purr," but it's not generally a literal sound.  But that bothers me much less than the idea that Garrus is essentially a sadist by instinct (purring and growling both amuse me and weird me out for totally different reasons), and wants to sink his claws and fangs into Shepard more like she's a piece of tasty still-living meat or a dire enemy than a potential mate.

My primary arguments against having Garrus rip at Shepard their first time together are that A) even with upgrades, Shep's human and feels pain.  Medigel or no that's going to hurt and leave scars--some people like that, but not many.  And B) Injury would mean you may not be able to carry out the mission.  When the mission's not at stake later on, this is not as much of an issue.  Still dangerous, but humanity won't go extinct for it.  Let's face it, even the gentlest, most playful nips and scratches from a turian could probably seriously hurt a human being.  Razor-sharp teeth and claws tend to do that, because they are meant to be used to seriously hurt things that can then be eaten.  I doubt the experience would be fun except to a seasoned masochist.  (And yes, I'm being tongue-in-cheek here, and through most of my post, so you can laugh.)

My argument against this behavior in general, however, is that A) it doesn't flow with Garrus's personality that we see in the game, unless you're presuming he secretly hates Shepard (which is an interesting angle that I can actually see working, regardless of your being paragon or renegade, after dealing with Sidonis--or not dealing with him) or your variant is renegade enough to not care if he hurts her as long as he gets what he wants, and B) every time I read one of these fanfics I start wondering if I'm reading about Garrus or a really big cat, and while there's some amusement value in that, it is mostly unsettling.  C) (Serious hat on here) As a person who respects and perhaps cares for Shepard, it doesn't make sense for Garrus to treat Shepard exactly like a female turian because she clearly isn't one.  I'm sure he's aware human flesh is softer than turian hide, etc. I guess part of the reason that bothers me in fanfics, too, is because knowing this, if he wanted to be rough anyway, it would be abusive and maybe even controlling type behavior, which I never, ever think is cool.  And if it's chalked up to "instinct," then... well he's just an animal and can't control himself; I don't like that insinuation over either the canon turian species, or over men in general, much less both.

But I'm going to stop arguing about this.  I don't expect I will change any minds, nor do I suspect I have, and I don't want to offend anyone--although I'm sure I've managed to do that regardless.


Oh, I'm not disagreeing with you, I was agreeing with Kim's point about growling not being solely an "animal" thing, since there are a lot of behaviors we share with them. In fact, I pretty much agree with this post (not that I really read fic, but I get what you mean).

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Kim Shepard wrote...

I agree that the stuff after fade-to-black really depends on everyone's Shepards. There are some people here who prefer to think Shepard and Garrus mostly cuddle before the final battle, and get to the rest after when they have more time and are very happy to be alive. On the subject of kissing turians, the human would probably be doing most of that. And turians have skin on their neck that looks more human-like, so Shepard can go for that if she doesn't want to kiss the metal plates. It's completely up to each Shepard. She could kiss Garrus on both cheeks if she wants to.


And now I have a horrible mental image of that after reading Sia's Persephone fic...

Turian butt cheek kissing.

Gee thanks Sia.

And Aeowyn, I'm totally with you.  There'd probably be some differences physically but... Really, why can't they just have sex and be done with it without the yowling, howling, purring, growling, etc.?  I know I've read love scenes with humans that didn't involve any of those--of course they were in literary rather than romance novels; I don't read romance, and perhaps this stuff is more common in that genre?  I have no idea.  (Edit:  The irony is I HAVE read romance fics, obviously, but romance novels?  Blah.)

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While we're still on the subject of cross-species alien naughtiness, I JUST finished this video and uploaded it. Enjoy!





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SavageLycan wrote...

While we're still on the subject of cross-species alien naughtiness, I JUST finished this video and uploaded it. Enjoy!


Is it safe for work?

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Aeowyn wrote...

SavageLycan wrote...

While we're still on the subject of cross-species alien naughtiness, I JUST finished this video and uploaded it. Enjoy!


Is it safe for work?


Ha ha, its quite safe. Trust me. 

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Ah, Kim to the rescue!  Do I detect a little something other than altruism talking when you suggest Saren? :D

Other topics of conversation....other topics of conversation...hmm...

What do y'all think Garrus's views are on love?  And what about your Shepards' views? Not blowing off steam or sex.  No kidding love.  Garrus seems to be pretty casual about sex (though not with Shep) if his experiences with that recon scout are anything to go by.  But as we know, the Normandy seems to be SSV Intimacy Issues some days, and I wonder if Garrus is any exception to that.  My own Shep has pretty crippling intimacy issues--takes Garrus the better part of two games to really break through to her.



I see Garrus as really caring and loving male who would stick until the end with his love interest. Of course feelings can change, but I think he is really faithful and would never betray his LI. I can even see him having kids (maybe adopted together with Shepard - but only at a later timepoint when he and Shep are older and no longer busy saving the galaxy).

I don't now if he ever has been in love before and I am not sure if he is really someone that is up to casual sex. We now that he had at least one casual encounter, but maybe she meant more to him than he said or this was a one-time thing only. In ME1 he seemed to be quite stiff and always so busy... and I don't see him as a man always taking what he can get - I think there must be something special on a woman if he wants to be with her (even for a night), at least respect her or admire her skills.

As for my Shepards - I don't have a single Shepard that is only together with Garrus for the sex - they are always in love with him. They did not expect this or admit this to themself in the beginning - most of them are earthborn and/or single survivor and don't start a relationship easily. But on a later timepoint they realize, that the feelings for Garrus are more than friendship. And I can't really have this first Kaidan, now Garrus romance - my Shepards for Garrus are only for him and did not romance someone in ME1. Which fits quite good, because there is everything so busy and in hurry and Shepard just became a Spectre and she is really not in a mood for a romance in ME1.  

Which makes me remember that I really missed some dialogue after garrus recruiting mission. I would like to have seen Shepard waiting just outside the medbay and for Dr. Chakwas report. And that she visits the maybe still unconscious Garrus in the medbay, sitting at his side, waiting for him to awake. And that she admits to him that she was worried about him.... *sigh*