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[Shadedclan]

Collider wrote...

Shadedclan wrote...

What do you guys think about Garrus being a leader? I would really want to see that develop in ME3.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was part of his character arc.
If you notice, all of the squad mates from ME1 are climbing up the ranks. Garrus did so in ME2 - in becoming more of a "buddy" to Shepard (and leading his own squad) rather than "student" (or whatever other term could be better used to describe ME1).

Yeah, I noticed that too. I think it would be great if Garrus had major role in ME3. I know Mass Effect is all about Shepard but it would be nice to see some of the squad being a major plot character.

[Alienmorph]

Garrus returned the Shep's buddy just because he had regrets after the dead of his own squad, but there're no doubts that he can be an awesome leader. In fact, I can't imagine any other than him or Miranda to lead the team if something happens to Shepard during ME3.

Modifié par Alienmorph, 28 décembre 2010 - 01:35 .

[Aeowyn]

Well, apparantly we Garrus and Tali fans shot ourselves in the foot by getting both of them back in the second game -.-



I wouldn't be surprised if he comes back in ME3 as some kind of leader type. He has the experience, and the personality for it so. Maybe (if they miraculously manage to make him look good in the eyes of a "normal" turian, which I doubt) being at the top of the turian fleet and Shepard's first point of contact?

[Alienmorph]

Shh... there's already a topic about this... don't shoot us on our foot for real. Thre is no trilogy without a few character that can be with you all the time... unless BW is so jerky to go only with Liara and the VS for that I count to finish the story with my pair of dextro-aliens.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Dextro aliens for the win! They never have to suffer the vileness of marmite and Turkish delights...

I am still certain that Garrus will have a prominent position in ME3. And Tali. If they aren't squaddies (which I am sure they will be) then they will be integral to defeating the reapers. Garrus' dossier says that his leadership skills won't develop fully under Shepard's command. But this doesn't mean he will be impeded in ME3. He could lead the turians into battle, and Tali could do the same with the quarian fleet. It sounds like it will be a DA style gather the forces of the universe (Fereldan) to save them from reapers (or darkspawn.)

And I have something to admit. I have already booked two weeks off work for the time when about ME3 comes out! Hehe!

[Collider]

Garrus and Tali have been there from the start, they should and probably will be there for the end.

[RiotLaFontaine]

Cross-posting a linked reference in another thread:
http://twitter.com/truffle

"Yes. RT @SirUlrichVL @truffle so I take it if I only have zaeed, kasumi and joker alive. That shep is in for a rough ride in ME3? :)"

"@Dibol1987 I don't think it is a spoiler to say that fans who let their team die in me2 will feel the consequences in me3"

Modifié par RiotLaFontaine, 28 décembre 2010 - 06:38 .

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Its funny how they said that we shot ourselves in the foot when they were ****ing for months about Liara DLC in ME2.

[Evelinessa]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

Pure speculation here, but:

Given the popularity of Garrus and Tali in the fan community (very few people dislike either, especially Garrus) both as plain old squadmates and as romantic interests for Shepard, and given the fact that most people try to save the characters they like, I fully expect that they will return in ME3.

And haven't I read something from the devs regarding alternate dialogue based on whether this or that squadmate survives in ME3? Something about alternate squaddies? I dunno. But I do believe that we'll get to keep our squadmates. If they really pull out all of the stops for ME3, then even though we may not get an epic reunion as the characters rejoin our squads, we'll still get a very awesome story. And I think this may be especially true for those who romanced one of the aliens who've been with us since ME1. Why? Because especially the Garrus romance is very popular, and because (as someone here recently noted) you evidently couldn't even romance him if you didn't recruit him in ME1. Some kind of progression is being acknowledged here already. (And, after learning that, I'm scoffing at Garrus's, "I'd never even considered interspecies intercourse before." Sure, Garrus. I believe you. Right. But only if I didn't recruit you in ME1.)

Maybe I'm just being senselessly positive, but Bioware is one dev group that pays attention to the playerbase. No, they can't and won't give us everything that we want. But if something is particularly popular (Garrus or Tali romance for instance), we do often get it.

Here's hoping they realize we don't want to be left out. Although I'm sure they already know we want more dialogue. In fact, we want MOAR in general. Yes?

I didn't realize the romance was that popular. That's good then. But what about the less popular romances? I thought BioWare said that they were going to treat all romances equally? And your post makes me hopeful.

And about Garrus leading..

I think that Garrus might be with us throughout the game but during the final mission he helps lead a squad or something. I have a hard time thinking he will lead the turians. Hopefully he can be with me to fight the final boss though. Just like he did in the first two games. 

RiotLaFontaine wrote...

Cross-posting a linked reference in another thread:
http://twitter.com/truffle

"Yes. RT @SirUlrichVL @truffle so I take it if I only have zaeed, kasumi and joker alive. That shep is in for a rough ride in ME3? :)"

"@Dibol1987 I don't think it is a spoiler to say that fans who let their team die in me2 will feel the consequences in me3"

I don't know... the "consequences" could be us missing out on a few cameos. But hopefully it means we will have our squadmates back.

[Aeowyn]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Its funny how they said that we shot ourselves in the foot when they were ****ing for months about Liara DLC in ME2.

Well honestly, I am getting a teeny bit sick of all of this. It's like "oh my ME1 LI didn't show up as a squaddie but theirs did ONLY because they were whining and begging for them to come back."
Eh what? BioWare could've easily have decided that no squad members from the first game would come back in the second.
And then the hole "they can die in me2 therefore they cannot be squaddies in me3". That's what annoys me the most, and I really do hope that BioWare think through this hard when they're now working on the final game. I don't want a cheap out cameo with some lame excuse to why they can't be there.
And I still say, if the logic above "can die therefore no squaddie in me3" applies, then NO members from me1 or 2 (apart from Joker, but he's not ground team) will be a squaddie for ME3, even Ashley/Kaiden. Sure they come up as one entity, but it doesn't matter, they're still two different personalities, with two different backgrounds and will need to have two different dialogues made for them.
/end rant

Sorry, have had a bad day. Here have Garrus and Ivy

[Alienmorph]

Damn... I've just replayed the mission on Horizon... the tought that in ME3 we may have Ash Williams back and not Garrus and Tali made me having shivers... it's just... wrong. Maybe I'm becoming one of those sick fans who don't wanna see the truth, but if BW gone with the Suicide Mission idea they MUST thinked before how to solve the squadmates return situation. Npcs? Temporary squadmates like Liara in LotSB? Okay, I can tolerate that, but a silly 30-second cameo? No way. Especially for Garrus... I've already had one of the best romance of the saga with Tali so about her I can be already quite satisfied, but Garrus deserves desperatlely to be more than "the alien who calibrates the cannons".

[mellifera]

I honestly don't think they're gonna dump the entire team because they may or may not be able to die in the SM. I dunno. It just doesn't make any sort of sense to make a game that is basically about gathering a whole group of people and getting them to be loyal to you and not have those people still with you. Unless they're gonna blow up the Normandy again -___- Haha. To be honest, I'm not really worried. This whole argument just seems like a bunch of bitter people trying to make others feel bad about their favorite characters. It's like making a thread about Thane and being all LOL THANE'S NOT GONNA BE IN ME3 BECAUSE HE CAN BOTH DIE IN THE SM AND IS GONNA DIE ANYWAY LOLOL. You don't know what's going to happen in ME3 any more than we do, so shut up and stop making people feel bad about liking the characters they do.



Whatever. Haters gonna hate.

[Brass_Buckles]

Well, they've said before that they're pulling out all the stops for ME3, right? And they wanted to save the lives of characters who were romantic interests in ME1, so they didn't put them in ME2. But since Garrus or Tali could not be romanced in ME1 and people wanted to romance them...



Of course I'm also off track here, because it seems to me that all evidence points to Bioware planning to have Garrus, at least, in ME2 all along. I say this because: You can convince him how he should behave in ME1, but it barely affects him by the end of the game. He tells you what he's planning to do, as if you should be expecting that when you meet him again in ME2. Now I wonder if his story got changed because they decided he should be romanceable. Note that in ME2, he doesn't appear to have changed much, but yet by the end you get the feeling that your actions during his loyalty mission made a huge impact on him as a character. So if he survives, I believe this will be addressed, and perhaps his mother as well.



I'm being optimistic. I've had it with doubtful speculation. This is one of the more popular fan threads. Garrus is consistently among the most popular characters in the polls. Even if he doesn't end up in our squads in ME3, as long as he survived, I'm positive there'll be something epic in store. And yes, I think we'll get to see what happens with him romantically if we went that route. Or maybe be able to talk to him more if we did not.



But no matter what the DLC implies, I really do think that at least for part of the game we will see certain ME2 squadmates back as squaddies. There will probably be a mission involved where each of them is sent away one by one to lead their people. Or perhaps this is arranged and they part ways at the end of the game. I also believe I read an interview that mentioned something about alternate characters. I may be mistaken, but this would also mean good news for us in ME3; if you keep your squaddies alive, maybe you miss out on some other cool squadmate, but you get the one you had before. Of course we may kick ourselves if by having Garrus alive we miss out on, say, a female turian squadmate.



Again, maybe I'm being senselessly optimistic and everyone will be reduced to a cameo. But I can't see them doing that if the romances will be treated at all equally. No, if they intend to bring back the ME1 romances, then the ME2 romances must have some continuation also. And that means if the ME1 folk are squaddies again, guess what? Garrus and Tali will probably be squadmates again too, as this is the most effective way to continue a romance with that character.



I won't complain too much, though, if all we get is a cameo, if the cameo is really awesome. But I think if they were in two games, they should be in all three as long as you let them live to do so. Considering how popular they are (especially Garrus because plenty of people like him who aren't romancing him), I'm guessing that they survived in the vast majority of games.



And, re: the person who was asking about Garrus's romance being so very popular... I think a poll posted in the past ended up with Garrus being the most popular romance overall for female Shepards, when you combined FemSheps played by women and FemSheps played by men. (Separately, I think it was Kaidan who topped the charts for just women playing FemShep and Liara who topped the charts for men playing FemShep. But across the board, Garrus is the #1 romance for anyone playing a female Shepard. That said, sometimes this fan thread gets a bit creepy--Yeah I still hang out anyway--which probably is why we don't have more Garrus fans around on-thread.)

[Sable Rhapsody]

Meh. I'm good for ME3. I rarely ascribe such blanket confidence to a dev team, but BioWare in general and ME's team in particular have never let me down. So...yeah. ME3 is gonna be filled with the stuff of awesome itself. And that's all I have to say on the subject XD

[Brass_Buckles]

If they didn't survive into ME3, someone will replace them in whatever role they were meant to take. Even if it's just a cameo. But again I doubt it will be because if you are going to continue a romance with a character, it just makes more sense that they be in your squad. And we all know that ME2 was all about recruiting the best of the best before taking on the Collectors and saving humanity. Now that you have the best of the best, why would you separate when you could take the fight straight to the Reapers?

Again it may be senselessly optimistic, but...

Hey, if they don't survive or if we get a super-sad ending no matter what we do...

It's just a game.  And that's what all you fanfic writers out there are for.

Modifié par Brass_Buckles, 28 décembre 2010 - 11:25 .

[Sashimi_taco]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

Sable, have you read the "bromance" - fic on kink meme? Garrus, Legion and Male Shep. Full of awesome and laughter

If you're talking about "Filed Under Etiquette," I wrote it, so I would hope I read it.  Even if I did write it while sleep-deprived   I wrote that with my current jerkass ManShep in mind.

Where can i find this story?

[Aeowyn]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

Sable, have you read the "bromance" - fic on kink meme? Garrus, Legion and Male Shep. Full of awesome and laughter

If you're talking about "Filed Under Etiquette," I wrote it, so I would hope I read it.  Even if I did write it while sleep-deprived   I wrote that with my current jerkass ManShep in mind.

Where can i find this story?

masseffectkink.livejournal.com/585.html

[Sashimi_taco]

Thanks ^^

[Sable Rhapsody]

And there goes my anonymity ^^



Ah well. I don't really mind. The stuff I write for the kink meme is usually Garrus-related and quite tame.

[Aeowyn]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

And there goes my anonymity ^^

Ah well. I don't really mind. The stuff I write for the kink meme is usually Garrus-related and quite tame.

Sorry, should've asked before I linked.
I recognize most of the stuff you write for k meme though. At least the ones you use your canon Shep for

[RiotLaFontaine]

If you look at ME1, you can see that Kaiden/Ashley were create to be alternate characters. Outside of the Normandy, their dialogue and actions are near-identical and this persists in ME2. Wrex, I think, was an unfortunate victim of early design circumstance. Coming out of ME1 and going into ME2 must have been rough. But with much of the groundwork laid out and the experience had, I think the development environment is very different this time around.



With ME2, Wrex, Ashley, and Kaiden were the only interchangeable characters and they were cameo-only. The main squad had no interchangeable members. Also, as a side-note I wish they'd bring Wrex back as a squadmate for ME1 players who didn't Virmire him, as an alternate scenario, or even a Liara-style mission. Why not have decision-exclusive content now that we've reached the end? Make choices truly matter.



With ME3 being the supposed endpoint, they don't need to worry about multiplying variables - they're all coming to a head here. When looking back over the ME2 squad, most, if not all, characters can have their development furthered in the third game, and it's not a stretch to think that BioWare will go this route. For instance, Jack still needs to find who or what she's fighting for - is it herself or can she be self-sacrificial and selfless and fight for all of humanity? Etc.



When coming at ME3 from a "default" perspective, they can have X characters surviving the suicide mission and Y characters dead. It could be all of them if they really wanted to structure the game that way. The characters present can be augmented by player choices, as Christina might have been suggesting. This means returning players will grow closer to the characters that did survive in a playthrough and amplifies the decisions and consequences of ME2. And there aren't many variables at this point when it comes to these characters. The suicide mission itself could be used to establish "loyalty" among all living squadmates.



I think one question is how we'd link up with characters, new and old. Shepard seems to have established a base of operations on the Normandy and with the Shadow Broker facility, but DLC or a storyline skip-ahead could easily alter that, just as ME2's start certainly did. So we'll see. I really want Garrus by my side as a squadmate for the final game, especially as a link between all three games in the trilogy.

[Addai]

Sooo.... *shuffles a little*.... I admit I squee'd a bit when Garrus was the one who pulled femShep into the Normandy after the suicide mission. Is that always the LI or what?

[Sialater]

Nope. Depends on the order of the squaddies chosen. Unfortunately.

[Kim Shepard]

(Wow, short rant got a little longer than I expected. This isn't directed at anyone in particular, just a response because others were giving their opinions too.)

About all of the "ME2 squadmates won't be important or in ME3", "they ruined these characters in the sequel", "these romances are better than the other ones and have much better chances" stuff... I pretty much agree with you guys. I can understand complaints about the way some characters were handled and constructive criticism, but when it goes past being constructive into a "my favorite fictional character is better than your favorite fictional character" or "my favorite shouldn't be hated because they're the best" sort of thing, it kind of makes me want to say, "You know what? My favorite character dies every time, no matter what. That's the way the story goes. Deal with it." Maybe it's because my favorite characters tend to be the villains. I'm used to them being killed off in every book/movie/videogame. I don't bash other characters because I'm used to my own favorites being among the most hated.

And as for my favorites being killed off - yeah, it's sad, but I never complained to BioWare or random people on the forums about Saren dying in the end. The Paragon persuade and Saren's suicide just made me like him more. Sure, I suggest resurrections and ask for more information about him, and then give praise when they actually do it. (Expect my posts to be filled with a lot of "Thank you, BioWare!" and "BioWare is awesome!" when Evolution comes out. xD) 

I'd like the option for all of the squadmates to come back, like them or not. I'd also like the option to keep the squadmates I don't like as far away from my Shepards as possible, but still doing something worthy of ME3's epic conclusion. If my favorites aren't squadmates, of course I'll have some constructive criticism if their reasons for not being on the team don't make sense, but I'm sure I'll still think ME3 is a great game.

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Meh. I'm good for ME3. I rarely ascribe such blanket confidence to a dev team, but BioWare in general and ME's team in particular have never let me down. So...yeah. ME3 is gonna be filled with the stuff of awesome itself. And that's all I have to say on the subject XD

Basically, this. There isn't that much I'm worried about for ME3, and the game could still be filled with awesome even if some of the stuff I want doesn't make it in.

@yukidama: Thanks for the screenshots. So one of Garrus' sniper rifles does have that cool explosion look after he fires a shot. The one with the little poof looks funny in comparison.

@Addai: There's actually an order for which squadmates will pull Shepard into the Normandy. Garrus will pull Shepard up before Jack and Thane. (And Thane only pulls Shepard up if the second squadmate is dead. xD) For Shepard to catch Garrus, his squadmate icon has to be on the right. I can find the thread with all of the details if you want.

[Addai]

Hm, interesting. Thane died in my mission, but Shep pulled Garrus up first and then he returned the favor. I assumed the game was turning on the love potion. LOL

Oh, and you guys have probably discussed it many times before, but what are thoughts concerning Sidonis?  Does he really move on if Sidonis either walks or if he shoots him?  My Shepard is a renegon, and she half-heartedly tried to talk him out of shooting Sidonis, but in the end got out of the way and let him take the shot.  I wonder if he won't thank her for it in the end, though.

Modifié par Addai67, 29 décembre 2010 - 03:02 .