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[Kim Shepard]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

I certainly don't mind reading about Garrus fanfics from others, in fact, I've noticed that I am quite ok with "sharing" in the Garrus fandom whereas when it came to Dragon Age.. I could never do the same with Alistair. Not sure why that is or if that comment even makes any sense to ya'll but there it is.

I look at it this way - every game has its own Garrus. So I'm not bothered by the fact that all of these other Shepards that are not my FemShep are with Garrus, or that I just read a fanfic where Saren will be paired with a Shepard who is not my MainShep. But I don't like the idea of squadmates having romantic relationships with each other because, even if it's in a playthrough where they're not being romanced, it would still feel like they're cheating on one of my Shepards. If it happens in my game, then it messes with my version of canon. If it happens in someone else's game or a fanfic, then whatever, it's a different universe.

Yeah, that's how I tend to see it too.  But not just for Shep, for all LIs, including the DA:O folks.  Then again, I also never got as invested in Alistair as I did in Garrus.

Most of the time, I wouldn't mind other squadmates or characters being paired with each other either, as long as it makes sense. And as long as it never happens in my game.

I guess MainShep is the same way, now that I think about it. I can see her reading your fanfic and hoping the other Shepard and Saren get together. If they were in the same universe with both Sarens, she'd suggest a double date. If they were in the same universe with only one Saren, she'd fight for him. xD

[mellifera]

He's actually immortal. There is no end and no beginning, there is just Garrus. Duh.



Doesn't the codex say they usually serve until 30? It's not an absolute and being in C-Sec is considered prestigious. I'm not really arguing that he can't be in his mid-thirties as there's not really enough information for certainties, just that to me he seemed about the same age as Shepard.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Kim Shepard wrote...

I guess MainShep is the same way, now that I think about it. I can see her reading your fanfic and hoping the other Shepard and Saren get together. If they were in the same universe with both Sarens, she'd suggest a double date. If they were in the same universe with only one Saren, she'd fight for him. xD

Something tells me that the only date suitable for two Sarens and two Sheps involves detonation of the entire arsenal aboard the Normandy, followed by the punching of thresher maws 

[Squeeze the Fish]

I just wanted to say thank you all for your prompt responses! I suppose keeping the Archangel angle a secret makes sense.

I feel so much better.

Thinking of betrayer!Garrus hurt my soul.


*Goes back to lurking*

Modifié par Squeeze the Fish, 04 janvier 2011 - 06:58 .

[Eradyn]

yukidama wrote...

He's actually immortal. There is no end and no beginning, there is just Garrus. Duh.

Doesn't the codex say they usually serve until 30? It's not an absolute and being in C-Sec is considered prestigious. I'm not really arguing that he can't be in his mid-thirties as there's not really enough information for certainties, just that to me he seemed about the same age as Shepard.

That's what I said. But even wounded turians will continue to serve in some capacity for the Hierarchy military...even if it's behind the front lines.  Joining C-Sec is, according to the codex, a prestigious honor and they generally either need to be "prodigies" if they have no experience or they need to have gained experience and distinguished service from previous jobs/obligations.

Garrus, we know, spent his tour of duty in the military already.  I doubt he'd have had reason enough to be given leave from obligatory military service beforehand...even if he'd been injured he still would have served in some capacity.  Low thirties would still land him around Shep's age and even mid-thirties isn't "bad."  Hell, late 30's isn't bad either compared to Shep.  Look at Thane.

[Leonia]

I wonder how old Solana is? I'm guessing she's a younger sister that probably used to look up to Garrus before he moved from home to work at C-Sec. And I'd assume mama and papa Vakarian would have been around during the First Contact War.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Squeeze the Fish wrote...

I just wanted to say you all for your prompt responses! I suppose keeping the Archangel angle a secret makes sense.

I feel so much better.

Thinking of betrayer!Garrus hurt my soul.


*Goes back to lurking*

No problem!  Though you should lurk less and hang out with us insane folks more   

Also, Eradyn, didn't one of the devs say Garrus was "definitely under 30?"  I could be wrong and I don't remember the context...someone clarify for me on this?  I don't think it's that unrealistic.  Sure being C-Sec is an honor, but remember that Garrus was also tapped for Spectre.  He downplays it in ME1, but I'm sure there are a lot more than a thousand in the turian military, and being tapped for one of the galaxy's elite agents that number less than a hundred is definitely noteworthy enough to land him in C-Sec at a younger age.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 04 janvier 2011 - 06:32 .

[mellifera]

It's not like Garrus being older than Shepard bothers me. I'm not the one dating him and it otherwise has no bearing aside from an interesting bit of trivia, lmao. It's just the impression I get from his character and the data we're provided doesn't give us any solid facts since we don't know his service history. A few of years in either direction isn't a deal-breaker in any way. It's not like my Shepard is going to dump him for being a few years older than her if she can get past the whole, you know, different species thing xD

[Kim Shepard]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

I guess MainShep is the same way, now that I think about it. I can see her reading your fanfic and hoping the other Shepard and Saren get together. If they were in the same universe with both Sarens, she'd suggest a double date. If they were in the same universe with only one Saren, she'd fight for him. xD

Something tells me that the only date suitable for two Sarens and two Sheps involves detonation of the entire arsenal aboard the Normandy, followed by the punching of thresher maws 

MainShep approves. xD

Yeah, one of the devs did say Garrus was under 30 in ME1. So the oldest he could be in ME2 is 31 - same age as Shepard, right? I guessed 27 in ME1 and 29 in ME2, but it's just a guess.

[Leonia]

Do the ME devs post as often as the DA devs do? I'd love to know how old and potentially the exact birth-date of Garrus. We get that info for nearly everyone else so I don't know why he is the exception.

[Kim Shepard]

leonia42 wrote...

Do the ME devs post as often as the DA devs do?

No, they don't. They definitely read these threads though.

[Eradyn]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
No problem!  Though you should lurk less and hang out with us insane folks more   

Also, Eradyn, didn't one of the devs say Garrus was "definitely under 30?"  I could be wrong and I don't remember the context...someone clarify for me on this?  I don't think it's that unrealistic.  Sure being C-Sec is an honor, but remember that Garrus was also tapped for Spectre.  He downplays it in ME1, but I'm sure there are a lot more than a thousand in the turian military, and being tapped for one of the galaxy's elite agents that number less than a hundred is definitely noteworthy enough to land him in C-Sec at a younger age.

Nope. There was someone who was employed with BW who felt Garrus seemed under 30, but no definitive answer has been given.  And that was a long while ago when a BW employee furthered that guess, so who knows at this point.  Unfortunately. D; If they go by their own codex...I think it safe to assume he will be somewhere in the range of 30+.

He was tapped to go into the Spectre training program (which was additional and only prepared them for the possible rigors of the position...didn't guarantee such an appointment) with the Hierarchy until his father blocked his candidacy for that.  In ME2 he either goes back to C-Sec or attempts to join the Spectres by going back into training for it...but in either case decides he can't stand the red tape and so becomes a vigilante, which he sees as far more productive for his goals. ^^ 

Modifié par Eradyn, 04 janvier 2011 - 06:49 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Kim Shepard wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Do the ME devs post as often as the DA devs do?

No, they don't. They definitely read these threads though.

That I think is largely a good thing.  Don't get me wrong, I love the DA2 devs to bits and I think they're f-ing saints for dealing with the crap they get, but I can't help but think it only encourages the wankery.

[mellifera]

Well, whatever his age is, 30, 35, 1,000,000, he's still great xD


I call this one "Isn't it sad, Garrus?"-

Modifié par yukidama, 04 janvier 2011 - 07:13 .

[Aeowyn]

Well most turians serve in the turian military until they're 30, or they leave the military early and serve in another way, like C-Sec. Personally, based on his general demeanor in ME1, being the "student" like person, I always imagined Garrus to be the same age, or maybe even a year younger than Shepard.

However, I have read a fanfic on ff.net where someone put him as 45.

[mellifera]

I think 45 is pushing it ._.

[Leonia]

Eek, no. That would totally debunk the student-teacher relationship thing. And since we know turians have comparable lifespans to humans.. yeah, 45 is really pushing it.

Modifié par leonia42, 04 janvier 2011 - 08:40 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

leonia42 wrote...

Eek, no. That would totally debunk the student-teacher relationship thing. And since we know turians have comparable lifespans to humans.. yeah, 45 is really pushing it.

Yeah, 45 is closer to Nihlus's age than Garr-bear's.  If you wanted older turian romance...well, there's always AU 

I've always thought of Garrus as younger than Shep because he behaves younger than Shep.  He's idealistic and hotheaded, compassionate and impulsive.  He just acts like a younger, less burdened dude in ME1.  He does take quite a tumble down the cynicism scale in ME2, but he still doesn't have quite Shep's maturity.

That and it's about time BioWare gave us ladies a dude who's closer to our PC's age.  Sure the norm is for men to be older than women rather than the other way around, but I'm a little tired of the LIs pushing a decade older than my PC.

[Aeowyn]

Hehe, I felt a bit ridiculous for not continuing to read the story because that little detail just bugged me to hell

Speaking of fanfics though. I've been trying to write mine for about a month now and still stuck on the second bloody chapter i.e. I'm writing one-shots of Garrus and my Shepards relationship and how it lead from nothing to friendship to lovers. I hate fanfics. I hate writing fanfics and getting stuck grrrrrr.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Aeowyn wrote...

Hehe, I felt a bit ridiculous for not continuing to read the story because that little detail just bugged me to hell

Speaking of fanfics though. I've been trying to write mine for about a month now and still stuck on the second bloody chapter i.e. I'm writing one-shots of Garrus and my Shepards relationship and how it lead from nothing to friendship to lovers. I hate fanfics. I hate writing fanfics and getting stuck grrrrrr.

Well, what exactly are you stuck on?  There are a lot of us here who write and are happy to act as sounding boards.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 04 janvier 2011 - 09:00 .

[Kim Shepard]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Eek, no. That would totally debunk the student-teacher relationship thing. And since we know turians have comparable lifespans to humans.. yeah, 45 is really pushing it.

Yeah, 45 is closer to Nihlus's age than Garr-bear's.  If you wanted older turian romance...well, there's always AU 

Garrus? 45? What? xD That's even too old for Nihlus. Saren is 44 as of ME1.

Obviously, I don't care about the age difference between Shepard and Saren. When both species probably live to around 150, it makes the difference seem even less. But really... that guess is way off.

[Eradyn]

Don't know if he's in his 40s. Suppose it's possible. Hell, he could be in his 50s (don't think so...his skin isn't smooth but it isn't cracked and wrinkled...but I suppose it might not be the case at that age...dunno). XD I don't think his personality means he must be younger than Shepard, however. I have known many older men who are passionate, driven, and enthusiastic. Has nothing to do with age. And the student-teacher vibe is a personal interpretation as it is and it doesn't have anything to do with age. I went to university and there were many students old enough to be the instructors' parents. A humble enough individual (which Garrus is in many ways) will have no issue learning from someone else, younger or older makes no difference. Many younger individuals have problems learning from elders and vice versa. It isn't an issue of age or age difference or who's younger or older. It's a humility thing.

Not to say it's impossible for BW to make him younger, just that I feel what evidence there is points to the likelihood he might be 30+.

Modifié par Eradyn, 04 janvier 2011 - 02:09 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

I always thought Garrus was in his late twenties, not terribly younger than Shepard. As Eradyn said, his overall personality is kind of what you'd see with people belonging to that age group.

[Mr Heatsink]

I believe that garrus never did finish his tour. training yes but not a lot of active service. He states that he doesn't make a good turian. Cause if a good turian hears a bad order he follows, but it sounds to me like garrus heard an order he didn't like and was probably bounced for insuboridnation and his father getting him a job in C-sec was probably a way of redeeming him although it would've made him a black sheep in a way. His father being a well known C-sec officer would want the same for his son, and being kicked out the army is an enbaressment and so a stint in C-sec would help strighten him up and erse the mistake of his past. But I believe that Shepard shaped Garrus up by talking to him as a person rather then a soldier or officer. And giving him something to fight for and believe in. Garrus' hot termperment when you first meet him could very well point at him being a loose cannon, something the army would've drilled out of him. But he keeps that atitude right into C-sec. So I'm guessing he's about 24 or 25 when you first meet him but 26 or 27 when you next meet up with him. Seeing how Shepard was about 28 around the time of their death/resurresction that would keep the student /teacher interface in play. Still if he was kicked out the military that might explain his rather reckless atitude the first time. Still the incident with the scout could've been his first mission as he mentioned one of his first missions was to knock over some batarian slavers. Still it would be great to know if he was ejected from the military for refusing an order although I'm not sure that matters as he ha sproven to be one heck of an XO ( I class garrus as Shepards offical second in command.) Who knows we may even have to talk to a rather irate papa vakarian about the whole romance thing. Still my shep would protect everyone on her crew as if they were her own family.

[fallele]

I have heard it said a few times in previous posts and i think a hint given by one of the Bioware team that Garrus's age was around thirty. Since Shep was 29 during ME1 and in full age is 31 in ME2. My guess is Garrus is two to three years younger than Shep.

Garrus being a hot under the collar sounds accurate. he sounds like the kind of guy who isn't into taking orders unless he has faith in the person in command. I wouldn't be able to guess at his history unless i had more information, to which hopefully more will be available in ME3. But in ME 1 and his sudden and quick desire to take action and right wrongs etc *chuckles* makes me peg his age about 26-27. Still young enough to have that restless phase going, but old enough to make wise decisions and take advantage of the opportunity when its laid before him. So still young enough for the teacher/ student thing and romance/friendship believeable

Through the harder lessons though he mellowed out and became more cautious about everything. It gets me thinking that maybe there was a lack of an authoritative figure or too much of one in his past that makes him resentful. or maybe during his army/ training camp days someone in authority made a bad decision that had a horrible effect on his group. its all possibilities at this stage.

I'm reckoning the Papa Vakarian will come into it either by person, hologram or message and serious conversations will be had. I'm also hoping Sol (Solana Vakarian) will come into it as well. I would like to meet them both. If my FemShep had anything to say...it would be "BRING IT ON!!!" xD

Modifié par fallele, 04 janvier 2011 - 04:24 .