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[Shadow_Soul]

I'd say Garrus is late twenties-early thirties. So not much away from Shepard's age. (well you don't have to count death years so Shepard would be 29, with the death years 31 but if you count 1 death year not 2 then Shepard is 30) Taking Shepard's age, she/he wouldn't be that much older then Garrus, but she/he would not be younger then Garrus by any means. Hell maybe he is Shepard's age....maybe. It seems possible, don't you think?

[Eradyn]

Why wouldn't, or couldn't, Shepard be younger? Not saying Shep will be, but there's not really anything wrong with that.

As for tours of duty..."mandatory 15 years military service" doesn't leave much wiggle room. It's not like Garrus could say "whelp, I just don't like it here so I'm out." He, as a turian belonging to the hierarchy, would have to serve the hierarchy. CSec is independent of the hierarchy. It belongs to the council which is an independent, sovereign "nation," if you will...so he wouldn't be serving part of his 15 with them as it wouldn't really "count," I would think, toward his mandatory tour of duty. And since he made it into CSec, I don't see him as the deserter type.

Modifié par Eradyn, 04 janvier 2011 - 04:59 .

[fallele]

it'd be interesting to see *chuckles*

maybe something happened that caused him to be removed early, or maybe he graduated ahead of every one....arrgh details please in ME3, BW i'll even resort to making Garrus plushies xD

actually thinking about it....theres no one really except for Wrex, Samara, Liara in the squaddies who's older than Shep. theres a possibility that Garrus could be one year older but not much more than that i think to keep it to the around thirty years old mark supplied by BW

Modifié par fallele, 04 janvier 2011 - 05:17 .

[Sialater]

But the 15 years service still screws with the C-Sec timeline. In a very short time, he rose to such heights that he got the Saren case? Really?

[ciaweth]

Sialater wrote...

But the 15 years service still screws with the C-Sec timeline. In a very short time, he rose to such heights that he got the Saren case? Really?

The Mass Effect wiki says "most serve until the age of 30."  I should think that if someone has exceptional skills and fits into an available vacancy, they could muster out of the military and pop on over to C-Sec to fulfill the rest of their civil service requirement.  That would go double if your daddy was Papa Vakarian.

[Sialater]

ciaweth wrote...

Sialater wrote...

But the 15 years service still screws with the C-Sec timeline. In a very short time, he rose to such heights that he got the Saren case? Really?

The Mass Effect wiki says "most serve until the age of 30."  I should think that if someone has exceptional skills and fits into an available vacancy, they could muster out of the military and pop on over to C-Sec to fulfill the rest of their civil service requirement.  That would go double if your daddy was Papa Vakarian.

That's what I'm thinking, but apparently others think differently.

[Alienmorph]

ciaweth wrote...

Sialater wrote...

But the
15 years service still screws with the C-Sec timeline. In a very short
time, he rose to such heights that he got the Saren case?
Really?

The Mass Effect wiki says "most serve until the age
of 30."  I should think that if someone has exceptional skills and fits
into an available vacancy, they could muster out of the military and pop
on over to C-Sec to fulfill the rest of their civil service
requirement.  That would go double if your daddy was Papa Vakarian.

Right, I guess his father pushed him in the C-Sec as soon as possible... especially after he was pointed as Spectre candidate. Daddy had to make sure that his boy won't become a vigilante...

... well, Epic Fail.

Modifié par Alienmorph, 04 janvier 2011 - 05:35 .

[ciaweth]

Sialater wrote...

ciaweth wrote...

Sialater wrote...

But the 15 years service still screws with the C-Sec timeline. In a very short time, he rose to such heights that he got the Saren case? Really?

The Mass Effect wiki says "most serve until the age of 30."  I should think that if someone has exceptional skills and fits into an available vacancy, they could muster out of the military and pop on over to C-Sec to fulfill the rest of their civil service requirement.  That would go double if your daddy was Papa Vakarian.

That's what I'm thinking, but apparently others think differently.

You and I will be over here in our little corner, agreeing with each other, then. 

[Aeowyn]

I'm thinking the same as Sia here as well. Most serve until they're 30, but I reckon that, since Papa V is a big shot in C-Sec, and C-Sec is seen as "public service" work, he managed to get Garrus from military duty to C-Sec.

[Eradyn]

Perhaps. But if that ended up being the case, it would not speak well of either Garrus or his father. D; We'll have to just wait and see what, if anything, BW says regarding this.

@Sia: Oh, noes! People think differently, how horrible! I value different opinions and intelligent debate and discussion...it's how we were always able to, as a community of Garrus fans, figure things out when little information was presented to us. Let's try to not disparage/jab with passive agressive remarks what makes us unique and not yes-men automatons.

Modifié par Eradyn, 04 janvier 2011 - 06:46 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Well, regardless of age, Garrus is awesome.  And probably closer to Shep's age than most LIs for female characters are, so I'm good with that.  We'll roll with it 

[Addai]

Aeowyn wrote...

I'm thinking the same as Sia here as well. Most serve until they're 30, but I reckon that, since Papa V is a big shot in C-Sec, and C-Sec is seen as "public service" work, he managed to get Garrus from military duty to C-Sec.

I'm a n00b and have no clue but this makes sense to me.  It might also be why a) Garrus isn't that interested in being a good Turian- both because he and his family didn't follow the regs and as a result he also didn't get the same amount of indoctrination as others did, and why his father is so angry that he left C-Sec, because after pulling strings for Junior he threw away the opportunity.

I almost typo'ed C-Sex.  *facepalm*

[Sialater]

Addai67 wrote...


I almost typo'ed C-Sex.  *facepalm*

Welcome to the Clan.

[Eradyn]

Addai67 wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

I'm thinking the same as Sia here as well. Most serve until they're 30, but I reckon that, since Papa V is a big shot in C-Sec, and C-Sec is seen as "public service" work, he managed to get Garrus from military duty to C-Sec.

I'm a n00b and have no clue but this makes sense to me.  It might also be why a) Garrus isn't that interested in being a good Turian- both because he and his family didn't follow the regs and as a result he also didn't get the same amount of indoctrination as others did, and why his father is so angry that he left C-Sec, because after pulling strings for Junior he threw away the opportunity.

I almost typo'ed C-Sex.  *facepalm*

His father was very "by the books." I do believe Garrus thinking he's a bad turian has to do with his unwillingness to blindly follow bad orders, as it tied into that convo. I actually think Garrus exemplifies some of the best of turian traits, even if his self confidence in that regard is shaky.

[Sialater]

I think C-Sec counts as service. But why and when he transferred is a mystery. As well as why he's the one appointed to investigate Saren.

[Kim Shepard]

ciaweth wrote...

The Mass Effect wiki says "most serve until the age of 30."  I should think that if someone has exceptional skills and fits into an available vacancy, they could muster out of the military and pop on over to C-Sec to fulfill the rest of their civil service requirement.  That would go double if your daddy was Papa Vakarian.

This is basically what I think too. Saren became a Spectre when he was around 20 years old, so he only spent five years in the turian military (or technically, four in the military and one in boot camp). It's not a normal thing, because he was the youngest turian Spectre ever, but when you're just that awesome, you don't have to wait.

[Addai]

Eradyn wrote...
His father was very "by the books." I do believe Garrus thinking he's a bad turian has to do with his unwillingness to blindly follow bad orders, as it tied into that convo. I actually think Garrus exemplifies some of the best of turian traits, even if his self confidence in that regard is shaky.

Even people who play by the rules can regard themselves and their families as the one exception that matters.  It wasn't like he was getting him off so that he could go play golf.

And now I have an image of Turians in chinos and polo shirts.  *double facepalm*

[Sialater]

Addai67 wrote...

Eradyn wrote...
His father was very "by the books." I do believe Garrus thinking he's a bad turian has to do with his unwillingness to blindly follow bad orders, as it tied into that convo. I actually think Garrus exemplifies some of the best of turian traits, even if his self confidence in that regard is shaky.

Even people who play by the rules can regard themselves and their families as the one exception that matters.  It wasn't like he was getting him off so that he could go play golf.

And now I have an image of Turians in chinos and polo shirts.  *double facepalm*

Not chinos and polos... given their civilian clothes, they'd mix plaid patterns. 

[Eradyn]

Addai67 wrote...

Eradyn wrote...
His father was very "by the books." I do believe Garrus thinking he's a bad turian has to do with his unwillingness to blindly follow bad orders, as it tied into that convo. I actually think Garrus exemplifies some of the best of turian traits, even if his self confidence in that regard is shaky.

Even people who play by the rules can regard themselves and their families as the one exception that matters.  It wasn't like he was getting him off so that he could go play golf.

And now I have an image of Turians in chinos and polo shirts.  *double facepalm*

We don't know that Garrus' father was "getting him off" regarding the Hierarchy's mandatory military service.  We don't know that his father would even have the political clout to do that.  And we don't know that his father would be the type to do such a thing although we can try to infer some facets of his character with what is revealed to us.  I would think less of Garrus' father if he were, however, the sort to "bend the rules" to get his son out of military service...just as I would think less of Garrus for what I perceive to be uncharacteristic selfishness.

It's Garrus himself who acknowledges his father is very by-the-books and would be disapproving of his son's decisions (and Shepard him/herself as well).





My purpose is to try and, as objectively as possible, gather what we KNOW about turian culture and Garrus and his family to try and deduce what is most likely to be true...regardless of what I or others might like.  So if it seems that I am trying to be combative about this, it's actually because I am trying to draw all these various points from others together and see what sticks and fits with what we actually KNOW regarding the established universe.  Things that are too "head canon" may not be in line with what is revealed and I tend to give it more scrutiny to see if it's a viable possiblity within the framework of what is established in canon.  If that makes sense.

In short: nothing is really set in stone until BW carves and reveals it, but we can deduce and infer where the truth might logically be if we throw enough things at it and test and put it through the ringer.

Edit: And yes, I take my Garrus and turian ruminations very seriously.

Modifié par Eradyn, 04 janvier 2011 - 07:28 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Sialater wrote...

Not chinos and polos... given their civilian clothes, they'd mix plaid patterns. 

The horror...the horror! 

I think that would be the point at which my FemShep would threaten to dump a bucket of paint over him if he goes out in public like that.

[Addai]

Sialater wrote...
Not chinos and polos... given their civilian clothes, they'd mix plaid patterns. 

LOL  Not sure why, but I find all the Turians adorable, even when they're being dicks.  I watched a YouTube video of the paragon version of the Sidonis confrontation and felt bad that I'd let Garrus kill him.

Even Saren.  When he's all raaaawr imma take over teh galaxy, something about them makes me want to just tweak his mandible and say "oh, you."

[Kim Shepard]

Addai67 wrote...

Even Saren.  When he's all raaaawr imma take over teh galaxy, something about them makes me want to just tweak his mandible and say "oh, you."

So MainShep's not the only one who thinks he's too cute to be threatened by him? xD

[Sable Rhapsody]

Addai67 wrote...
LOL  Not sure why, but I find all the Turians adorable, even when they're being dicks.  I watched a YouTube video of the paragon version of the Sidonis confrontation and felt bad that I'd let Garrus kill him.

Even Saren.  When he's all raaaawr imma take over teh galaxy, something about them makes me want to just tweak his mandible and say "oh, you."

Haha!  I'm sure the turians will just love you for that 

I swear, my Woobie button is broken or something.  You know who I find most adorable in ME?  Grunt and Legion.  I think they're precious little bundles of win, and I want to nuzzle them.  The robot and the 300+ pound supersoldier.  Tali ain't got nothing on them 

[Addai]

I liked Legion, too. His little face panels fluttering when Tali had her gun on him made me all woo-woo inside.   But I have a weakness for snipers.

Modifié par Addai67, 04 janvier 2011 - 07:54 .

[Eradyn]

All turians are adorable and I think the reason is: Kitteh faces and cheek flap/mandible things. And the flange in their voices...but that makes me think "sexy" more than "D'awwww."